Yeah I'd agree.
I'd also agree $60 for a game that literally doesn't work for 6 months isn't a great value either but what do I know...
Bungie apologizes for Taken King controversy, CE items to be sold separate
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I'd also agree $60 for a game that literally doesn't work for 6 months isn't a great value either but what do I know...
I'm disappointed with all of it. I haven't played the game in a week because this whole thing has soured me on it.
LifEndz
Member
What game didn't work for six months?
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Seems to be a pointless endeavor. You obviously don't want to engage in the current thread's line of discussion so why don't you leave. You have made your point clearly, so what do you expect to happen?
The difference with Hearthstone is that microtransactions and visual stuff is part of the profit model. Hell, with hearthstone you could even grind out free quests for gold to actually buy the expansions. Good luck seeing that ever happen with a $60 game.
EDIT: dude is obvious referring to MCC, which he likely didn't even play.
EDIT: dude is obvious referring to MCC, which he likely didn't even play.
Mass Appeal
Member
If you're not going to spend the time to actually check, how about you don't just assume every negative opinion is just moving the goal post or finding something new to complain about? Is it really hard to just not make assumptions?
Lalalandia
Member
That would be an exercise in futility and possibly a sign of latent mental health issues. Still I disagree that a general summation of that thread can be boiled down to "I want the emotes too". There were three threads as I see it of which that was one, the other two were "shit is too expensive anyway" and "FFS £40=$65".
By addressing the first Bungle has somehow managed to duck the others.
It seems like the opposite to me, it seems like if someone doesn't have an issue with how they are offering them or think it's a good thing that they are at least seperating it for people that want to have the collectors content than they can and than don't have to rebuy content they already have.
It's the people that seem to have an issue that it's overpriced or destiny is crap and none of the dlc is worth it seem to bringing the issue back up.
The overseas pricing is a huge issue and one that needs to be addressed because it's not fair to anyone that is being overcharged for it.
That was the problem people had then.
Now the problem is the price of the content they're offering.
That isn't goalpost moving, it's being upset about two different situations.
panama chief
Member
:brofist:
If not $20, what price do the people arguing want it to be? Is $5 fair when it's content they took out of the CE just so people can have the option? They be shooting themselves in the pocket. And that's not where businesses like to aim their guns.
These are the kinds of posts we could do with out, I agree.
LifEndz
Member
Gotcha. Was just making sure he/she wasn't talking about Destiny.
Unless you specifically are being accused of of hypocrisy or goalpost-moving, I don't see how someone's summation of NeoGAF feedback is actively harming you.
Demanding that someone undertake a massive homework project/witch-hunt just so that they can generalize the response seems somewhat obstinate.
Why can't you just accept that people with negative opinions on the matter are going to express that here? What is so wrong about that? Nobody is putting any real effort into stopping you from buying it. I don't think anybody really cares if you do.
The entire Taken King expansion is $40, and they're selling a bunch of emotes and shaders for half that price.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I'm not talking about the topic of the pricing being brought up. It's about how people are treating others here. Yes, we have our normal plague of gaming side shit posters who just want to remind everyone how much they hate the game they never (with such gracious thanks) touched. But overall, most who seem against the specific subject of the handling of TTK content are keeping on point on that subject matter.
In contrast, there's quite a bit of OT1 levels of personal remarks, misdirection, 'censorship' and such from people who either don't mind or support the execution of all this. So when I read things by those same people trying to turn that around, it's a bit infuriating. Especially since I've thought our community was above acting like that for a long while now.
I was. And even if I wasn't, I don't see why I have to wait to be accused in order to point out the assumptions people are doing. I didn't demand anybody to do anything. I asked them to point out these people they are accusing of hypocrisy. If they don't want to, I am not going to do anything about it. All I did was ask them not to make assumptions about people to shoot down their arguments.Again, why would I have to wait to be personally accused to make those comments.
benicillin
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The entirety of CS:GO is $20 and they charge more than that for cosmetic guns. Vanity items have always been priced at a premium - that's why they're called vanity items.
World of Warcraft is $10 for Vanilla and 4 (!!!) expansions, meanwhile a month of playtime is $15 dollars, the latest expansion is $30, and you can buy a purely cosmetic mount for $25.
There is no rational way to compare the prices and the values you get, because its controlled by so many factors. Current content often comes at a premium when compared to previous content, and vanity content is typically priced way higher when compared to the base game. Across most games.
The winning move is to only pay for what you feel is worth your money.
hannuraina
Member
i pre-ordered the 80$ version of ttk. it's the only game i play so it's worth it to me. i think it's nice of them to offer the completely optional items in a separate package. if you don't want it don't buy it. i don't see them lowering the price.
Dude Abides
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Is Luke Smith the guy who was on the Giant Bombcast last week bragging about how he knows some actor?
Why should that matter to him/her? The stuff is overpriced by many people and it doesn't matter if other things are even more overpriced elsewhere.
Anton Sugar
Member
Well, the Expansions were each $20 and Bungie defended the value of those. Do you think they can really rationalize spending $20 for emotes/cosmetic items when that same amount can get you 1 raid, a few quests, a strike, gear, etc.?
benicillin
Banned
It's a reasonable explanation of why the items cost so much - because they're optional vanity items. And optional vanity items, in general, across a wide variety of games in different genres and platforms, cost a much higher premium than average in-game content.
TheOctodad
Member
If you don't want to buy the expansion and just play vanilla Destiny, I'm sure you can. Except I'm sure they'll move Xur into the new area, so have fun with that.
And maybe people just think vanity items are stupidly priced.
benicillin
Banned
Which is fine, but there's no point in comparing the price of vanity stuff to the price of an expansion pack. Like, there's no relationship there.
Mass Appeal
Member
Obviously you are uninformed. XUR can be accessed by people who didn't buy HOW either. Access to the Reef was granted to everyone and I am sure it will be the same way with TTK.
Ofcourse there is a point. There is no rule that says vanity item prices and playable content prices cannot be compared.
which is absolutely a fair point but not really a valid one considering how games in general handle prices of vanity items.
It seems like they will have social areas open to everyone, if they don't have the expansion or not.
Your correct, there's no rule but it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with how they are pricing the vanity items now that they have it seperately.
ArkkAngel007
Member
While it does ultimately come down to not paying for what you don't find it equating to the value of it, that doesn't mean people shouldn't speak up about it. Why being silent is actively encouraged here is odd, I just can't fathom. Especially after it was people speaking out that has helped shape the game to be what it is now, and that had at least encouraged Activision to allow some greater variety in TTK purchasing options.
Considering those vanity piece categories were included in those expansion packs, and I do believe in greater numbers on top of the multitude of content offered (I haven't counted the number of shaders and class items since RDG hates me..), I say that there is indeed a relationship there.
Not to mention that outside of Evolve, I haven't seen much in the way of low number of skins/cosmetics costing so much. And people here were biting at the bit to give that game a good thrashing over it.
Umm, the majority of games don't price vanity items that highly. Soul Calibur IV and V sure as hell didn't price its cosmetics that badly, Gears of War didn't price its skins that ridiculously, dynasty warriors 8 empires doesn't price its extra cosmetic stuff that badly. Hell, even the original vanity DLC: Horse Armor, wasn't priced that badly.
But sure, point to CS:GO as an example of how vanity items should be priced.
IXIKelsonIXI
Member
What would you consider "real effort"? Kind of an interesting concept.
I accept fully that people have negative opinions and are going to express them here, but I think you've got a hard point to make that nobody cares if people are buying it because that is kind of the premise here.
"Why the fuck would anybody buy it?"
"You must have a warped sense of value to think it is worth $20"
Etc.
Clearly people care that other people find value in what is being offered.
Mass Effect
Member
smh what a damn mess.
Glad I won't be bothering with this DLC. I'll most certainly be done with Destiny by the time it comes out anyway. Only reason I'm playing it again is because my friend bought House of Wolves for me. September will be full of other games I'll be preoccupied with anyway.
Glad I won't be bothering with this DLC. I'll most certainly be done with Destiny by the time it comes out anyway. Only reason I'm playing it again is because my friend bought House of Wolves for me. September will be full of other games I'll be preoccupied with anyway.
Vanity items that I'll spend possibly hundreds of hours using/looking at versus spending a night in rather than eating out? Yes I can rationalize that.
At the end of the day when it comes down to the nitty gritty they don't need to rationalize anything.
Everyone can argue back and forth but it's pretty simple. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
The difference being that there aren't 30 page threads full of vitriol and righteous outrage for the other games that have vanity items. For some reason Destiny ends up being the game that gets crucified.
That's just honest confusion about why people would spend money on this. I go to stores all the time and see riduclously priced stuff and say "Why would anybody buy this???", but that doesn't mean I am actively trying to stop people from buying it. I may even talk to somebody about something that I think is a dumb purchase and why I think it is dumb. Maybe I convince them, maybe I don't. But I don't have any real investment in whether or not they buy it.
This sounds like a huge exaggeration driven by a persecution complex.
Really? Gears of War priced the skins at crazy prices, There are 100's of examples of vanity items being made more expensive than normal dlc for a game.
It's a two way street, The community should be above it and it's a shame but it also is difficult when the negativity towards the game and community seems to be at an all time high.
It's pretty bad either way and I hope it gets better soon.
benicillin
Banned
I never said that CS:GO is how vanity items should be priced, just that games in general charge high costs for vanity items because they're vanity items. Gears of War 3 launched with like $50 of weapon skins if I remember correctly. Skins in Call of Duty cost a couple bucks a piece. Prices are universally high for vanity stuff.
Khalifa Jayy
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Anything else? New job? Moving? Baby on the way?
benicillin
Banned
The same thing happened to Evolve. Poor Evolve, you never had a chance.
Who is they?