I think console gamers will continue to be console gamers... If Xbox 'exclusives' were suddenly all on PC, I don't think people who prefer playing on consoles are suddenly going to get a Gaming PC to play those games... They'd prefer to get a windows10 console. As they like the efficiencies that come with having a wide adoption of a standard hardware...
Satya Nadella reveals Microsofts new mission statement, tough choices ahead
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I think console gamers will continue to be console gamers... If Xbox 'exclusives' were suddenly all on PC, I don't think people who prefer playing on consoles are suddenly going to get a Gaming PC to play those games... They'd prefer to get a windows10 console. As they like the efficiencies that come with having a wide adoption of a standard hardware...
I see what you're getting at. Different tiers of Xbox LIVE would be interesting. Wouldn't make sense to continue to charge people for LIVE the way it is now on Xbox and not charge for it on PC.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
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aaronwt
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I stopped PC gaming ten years ago. Even though I currently have four Windows Desktops and four Windows laptop/netbooks, I have no desire to ever return to PC gaming.
chromatic9
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One thing that's annoying is XID input.
Say you have a G25/G27, its a PC wheel yet doesn't work on Xbox.
They first went for their own Xbox wheel that failed, then had a fun time with Fanatec. I hope XBO would do away with XID but no and went one better killing all 360 wheels.
Not only is it silly to mess around with such a niche device, I think it harms the wheel market, its a barrier that MS likes to make. All this talk of unifying each year, lets just say Forza comes to PC, they promote even cross buy yet my PC wheel won't work on the XBO, I have to go out and buy an Xbox wheel, not only that it has to be a certain new one. These expensive Fanatec wheels from only a few years ago don't work either.
Say you have a G25/G27, its a PC wheel yet doesn't work on Xbox.
They first went for their own Xbox wheel that failed, then had a fun time with Fanatec. I hope XBO would do away with XID but no and went one better killing all 360 wheels.
Not only is it silly to mess around with such a niche device, I think it harms the wheel market, its a barrier that MS likes to make. All this talk of unifying each year, lets just say Forza comes to PC, they promote even cross buy yet my PC wheel won't work on the XBO, I have to go out and buy an Xbox wheel, not only that it has to be a certain new one. These expensive Fanatec wheels from only a few years ago don't work either.
CalamityPixel
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I hope this doesn't mean all of the Xbox exclusives are coming to PC, I need a reason to keep this thing. lol
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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im ready for windows 10, i enjoy win8 so upgrading is the next logical step for me though im worried about my old laptop (the upgrade message tells me i dun goofed with the HD7870M and wont be compatible)
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
"make some tough choices in areas where things are not working"
*checks if Bing is still up*
*checks if Bing is still up*
Isn't Bing the bones for Cortana? I'd guess Bing is here to stay.
Of course it will be significant. I don't understand how people think the "Gears/Forza/Halo box" will continue to sell at the same rate if you can get Gears, Forza and Halo elsewhere.
LordOfChaos
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What does it meeaaannn? Focus on Xbox as a service rather than as a device? Xbox is dad?
HALO 5 ON PC?!
puebla
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Console gamers for the most part don't want to deal with building/upgrading pc's. There's room for both to co-exist.
The money pit days should be over now that they have the data centers up.
Why do they need to compete with Steam?
If that's the case and it really was just a simple way to make money by porting all your games to PC then Sony and Nintendo would be doing it too.
MrGreencastle
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Bing is a lot more important to Microsoft than a search page. It's a huge backend thing. And yeah, it powers Cortana, among many others.
puebla
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They don't, but like any other company obviously they want a piece of that pie.
flaxknuckles
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Well, they never tried so maybe it is and they're leaving a ton of money on the table.
Captain Tuttle
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puebla
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It makes alot more sense for MS since they're already set up on pc. Crossbuy/crossplay is awesome. Really I think everybody wins if MS does the right thing here.
Captain Zyrain
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Then they will decide if the console pie is bigger than the PC pie. I don't think they can put full support into the PC store without hurting their console. Maybe they can but I don't see it.
Did you use Google to check?
Pretty much every gaming company has tried this to some extent. Some more recently than others (Microsoft actually being the most recent/consistent). It doesn't happen more because the money they make from alternate revenure on consoles likely dwarfs whatever they get from the sales of the individual games being ported. If one of them were able to essentially become Steam, then they'd probably look at things differently (or just stop making the games altogether).
statham
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Put it out on steam, PS4 and google play and pay those business 30% of the retail cost, and lose all those 3rd party revenues and live subscriptions?
puebla
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Gotcha, that's where we disagree. I think they can do both. Again, it's 2 different crowds. Say for example, they could release their exclusives on console and port all of them 6 months later to pc. Console owners get exclusives first but pc gamers don't get left behind, and can play with enhanced settings. It's really a win/win and I do believe that this is what MS will do eventually. Exciting time to be a pc gamer.
flaxknuckles
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None of them gave it a fair shake. Not even Microsoft. They port over old ass games and low-budget stuff. And no one says they should stop making hardware. There will always be a market for no-stress, plug and play gaming machines.
You could be right. They may go full support with all Xbox games working on Xbox and Windows 10. Maybe it will not effect the console sales. If they do it will be through the Windows store and not Steam.
Goodacre0081
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I always thought that selling physical console units was secondary to getting people invested into the storefront and ecosystem. subscriptions, royalties and ad space is the real focus here.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I'm not sure what else I could use. Maybe DuckDuckGo?
statham
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I think they will and think its a smart move if they do. They will make more money, expand windows 10 store along with windows 10 adoption while maybe losing a few consoles sales from people who mostly game on PC and only have a Xbox for exclusives, They won't lose those customers as they will just purchase those exclusives on PC now. Live will probably take a small hit tho.
Captain Tuttle
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As long as they keep making controllers I agree
Windows 7.
MrGreencastle
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It really does. Microsoft have basically been handing Valve the PC gaming situation for the past decade.
They have a chance of breaking that cycle by putting their money where there mouth is and putting good first party titles and their xbox service up on PC. We will see if they actually do.
MrGreencastle
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Windows 10 being better than 7 and a free upgrade I think will entice a lot of people, though. At least on the user front. Corps... ehhhh. That's a harder sell.
daTRUballin
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Does the Xbox division have any autonomy within Microsoft? Does Phil Spencer and his team make the decisions or do they have to answer to Satya Nadella?
Did Don Mattrick have to answer to Steve Ballmer when he was head of Xbox?
Did Don Mattrick have to answer to Steve Ballmer when he was head of Xbox?
Neither Sony or Nintendo own a near-ubiquitous operating system that is also a viable gaming platform.
What is a "fair shake" here? No business goes "all in" on something without testing it out first. MS test the fuck out of it back in the GFW days. The first thing they learnt from that is that they would have to immediately sacrifice Xbox Live revenue. The second thing they likely learned was that people will continue to buy games not published by them from other places. The third thing they probably learned, was that when the PC gets version of your console's games in a timely manner, running better, with no online sub fees, the console gains the stigma of being an unnecessary purchase in comparison to the competition... and that's without it ever having ALL of its software ported over.
Now sure, GFW was shit... but the rest of the issues still remain, and would be the case for any of the console manufacturers if they didn't essentially manage to dethrone Valve in pretty much their first year (any longer than that, and the console becomes a laughing stock).
Grimgrillz
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It seems everyone has a different interpretation of this article. My take is that this could be the last xbox console and instead, MS uses the Xbox brand as part of windows as a whole. They'll still have studios, peripherals and such but in that unification somethings got to give.
I think these cross platform games that are appearing now are pretty much laying the foundation for that eventual move.
I think these cross platform games that are appearing now are pretty much laying the foundation for that eventual move.
I think it means layoffs are on the way.
It's hard to imagine them phasing out Windows Phone unless they are partnering with a manufacturer or two to push Windows 10 in mobile devices.
I think Bing is safe, it's been integrated into Office, it powers Cortana, and it's been gaining market share.
I think the days of Xbox One exclusives are quickly coming to a close.
Pretty sure Spencer reports to Terry Myerson, who is over Windows and Devices.
IIRC Mattrick reported directly to Ballmer.
It's hard to imagine them phasing out Windows Phone unless they are partnering with a manufacturer or two to push Windows 10 in mobile devices.
I think Bing is safe, it's been integrated into Office, it powers Cortana, and it's been gaining market share.
I think the days of Xbox One exclusives are quickly coming to a close.
Pretty sure Spencer reports to Terry Myerson, who is over Windows and Devices.
IIRC Mattrick reported directly to Ballmer.
Calamari41
41 > 38
He's auditing the shit out of his corporate customers, as well.
Captain Tuttle
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Both are gone so it wouldn't surprise me if those chains of command are gone too
x24hrs2livex
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I agree. It really irritates me when people say when MS puts games on PC it hurts the Xbox. How? Not every person has the time and dedication to build and maintain a PC.
I don't want to change ini files, and run benchmarks and make sure my CPU is being cooled correctly. I just want to play the damn game.