Theonik
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But had a better managed and planned campaign and a better way of organising its fanbase as well as was much more accessible.
Edit: It's ultimately a combination of both what you are selling and how you are selling it.
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Edit: It's ultimately a combination of both what you are selling and how you are selling it.
JonathanNemo
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I was entirely wit you until this part. I certainly wasn't expecting a Kickstarter at all, or for Yu Suzuki to be back to making games I'd have a realistic chance of playing.
I'm very surprised that the numbers are as high as they are right now. Though I appreciate the warrior spirits aiming as high as they possibly can, I kind of wish that the money expectations weren't New Tomb Raider levels of crazy stupid high.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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But why should Shenmue 3 have more funding than Bloodstained? Bloodstained was for a more popular series/genre, required no past involvement in previous games, and had one of the most amazingly well organized Kickstarter campaigns I've ever seen. The Shenmue 3 campaign has not been well organized or well run. The fact that it's been able to raise so much money even with a mediocre to bad campaign is a testament to the series fanbase.
Rapscallion
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Yeah seems odd. It's still their license too...You'd imagine they'd say something about it.
JonathanNemo
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They're Sega. Their business decisions make about as much sense now as they ever have.
I thought they would be spamming twitter somewhat. I think this has all come together so fast!
From working behind the scenes in game dev I know PR/Brand stuff can be a massive headache that takes weeks if not months to sort out
Theonik
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Recency bias to some extent but there are useful comparisons to be drawn. But I guess some Shenmue fans, maybe I included have been too hard on the campaign as a combination of that and a sort of 'Perfect Prom' mentality.
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They'd have to have known months in advance though since Yu would have to contact them about the legal details of the Kickstarter. I think they are just keeping their distance like Sony is now.I thought they would be spamming twitter somewhat. I think this has all come together so fast!
From working behind the scenes in game dev I know PR/Brand stuff can be a massive headache that takes weeks if not months to sort out
Haunted
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gaffer A sounds like a real dick
Probably because Bloodstained holds the record for funds raised for video game software and Shenmue is looking to get twice as much. Plus it is recent
There are also similarities with regards to outside funding
I just dont know what kind of game it will be, im not saying it will be some Double Fine click adventure, but the way that the strech goals have been handled is terrible.
They have revealed most goals before even getting then, they are pitching and promising this amazing things when we arent even close to achieveing, its one thing to promise something vague like "More town" once the core gameplay its out of the way, but there is some deep game-changing mechanics behind the 5m and 10m strech goal, we all want the 10m and will be dissapointed if we get less than that.
Funny as it is, I think this is the one thing they should have been vague about, slowly reveling the strech goals to keep the momentum going and keep a sense of getting somewhere, rather than dumping all of them on users, which might ser the goals as daunting and unreachable.
Its basic skinner box crap, we all hate it, but it works and now I fear the game I want (and Yu too) is not getting made.
The game is funded, we all should be feeling happy and seeing everything that comes after the 2m as a bonus, but we arent, we think the real game is hidden behind thos goals, and thats a big problem.
Shadow2222
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Well, the momentum obviously didn't pick up with the current stretch goals, so they are probably hoping for Backer A to say "Wow, I want Portuguese subtitles, I HAVE to donate more now!" and Backer B to say "Okay, I didn't care for the village mini-games, but I really, really want the advanced free-battle. I will definitely up my pledge now!"
They must know they can't reach the $10-11 million goals, but they are using them to get people to TRY to get to them, achieving as many stretch goals as they can in the process.
Elfforkusu
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Probably still mistakenly believing that Sony's funding this and the quality of the game won't benefit from contributions now.
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Theonik
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That's hardly appealing actually. It's common sense. Your $29 won't get you the thing you want. They will get you $29 closer to where you want. What you can do is use a combination of both tactics like when [Redacted] hinted there would be WiiU in the basement but didn't reveal it or show how far it was making people try for it. If they'd known they needed $1m more they might not have even tried.
At this point I'm not quite sure about the second point...
The problem with that is in trying to disprove the already funded perception he also created the second one. Then dumped the stretchgoal to explain what he meant creating this mixed messaging. Maybe the stream will bring the steam back.
Yeah, im okay with the goals itself and even the order, im just saying they should have revealed them more slowly. Theres a reason why level progresion is a slow curve rather than throwing you all at once, its basic gamer stuff that we are programmed to love, we love the reward of getting the next level, we love the reward of the new armor, what we dont like is finding a brand new gun while some douche enemy is dangling the superior one in front of us, it takes a lot of the goal you just achieved, you get me? Lol
Yeah, he can say that and I still dont believe in him, not because he is lying but because im a selfish prick that wants gratification and its feeling frustrated that this KS is not going the way I want it to go.
Laevateinn
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They released them like this because whiners wouldn't shut the hell up about this game's funding.
Yeah but I bet it was very tight lipped as they wouldn't want this to leak! I bet 95% of the staff at Sega didn't know this was happening.
But they should of at least made a plan ready to be passed on to the PR team!
Well, fuck em, more restrain should have been shown. He should have focused on the current goals like the towns, which actually sound really ambitious.
Ryo Hazuki
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Pretty much.
Before stretch goals: "Why the fuck do they need 10 million?! They should just get Sony to help!"
After stretch goals: "What the fuck are all these stretch goals? These greedy fucks should just get Sony to help!"
Theonik
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Yes nobody anywhere near the PR team would have known but I'd expect some sort of plan even though it is SEGA.
But maybe they really weren't supposed to tell ANYONE. Megaton culture can be blamed for so many issues with the way this campaign is run.
Ghost_Messiah
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Almost 46K backers and 3.7 million in funding in 10 days is immensely successful. Anyone stating otherwise obviously has some unreal expectations here. It's destroying every other gaming Kickstarter ever and it's competition was quite powerful. Spiritual successors to greater and more popular franchises that featured longer legacies, larger fanbases and more games. By any estimation this Kickstarter is a resounding success; we're just getting frustrated because we now know for the game to be realised to the extent of Yu Suzuki's vision this game now needs substantially more funding than it has reached and we're just afraid that it's not going to get there. All of us want to play and love the real and true Shenmue 3. No compromises. We're afraid that falling short of the 10 million goal will limit Yu Suzuki's design intentions and therefore the game.
However there's still 3 solid weeks to go. We're all expecting 1 or 2 million in the last minute pledge rush. There's also an additional funding pipeline in terms accepting long term donations once the campaign has ended. Then there's the multiple external funding sources which will take this game's budget far beyond the total earned by this Kickstarter. The point is we don't need to panic just yet. It's highly likely this game's total budget will be in the 10 to 15 million range once this is all over regardless of the final total achieved by this Kickstarter. Personally I'm hoping once the campaign is finished we get some indication of the game's final budget with the external funding sources included to allay our fears. Otherwise's it's going to be a long three years as we wait for this game and pray that it reaches its design potential. We waited 14 years. We just want this to be the game we've dreamed of since we entered that cave with Shenhua.
Looking forward to the Twitch stream later tonight. That should be enlightening and fun. Hope new rewards are announced to inject some energy in to the campaign.
However there's still 3 solid weeks to go. We're all expecting 1 or 2 million in the last minute pledge rush. There's also an additional funding pipeline in terms accepting long term donations once the campaign has ended. Then there's the multiple external funding sources which will take this game's budget far beyond the total earned by this Kickstarter. The point is we don't need to panic just yet. It's highly likely this game's total budget will be in the 10 to 15 million range once this is all over regardless of the final total achieved by this Kickstarter. Personally I'm hoping once the campaign is finished we get some indication of the game's final budget with the external funding sources included to allay our fears. Otherwise's it's going to be a long three years as we wait for this game and pray that it reaches its design potential. We waited 14 years. We just want this to be the game we've dreamed of since we entered that cave with Shenhua.
Looking forward to the Twitch stream later tonight. That should be enlightening and fun. Hope new rewards are announced to inject some energy in to the campaign.
You are...but make it around the time (like maybe 30 min/hr before the stream) of the stream so we can have a "prestream" chat and get all giddy.
Sega hasn't even been able to promote the stuff they actually produce in house since the mid 90s. No chance of hoping for anything here.
Anyway I'm actually content with the progress made. We're getting Shenmue 3 something that seemed a pipedream a short time ago. This kickstarter has already funded past my wildest expectation as I always felt that as much as I love it, only a small niche of gamers really cared about the series and not enough to donate to something like this. I'm glad I was wrong. Everything is a bonus from now on.
Theonik
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Chances are I might be sleeping at the time so someone else would have to do it.
7pm PDT = 10pm EST.
Theonik
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But who put more, Yoshida or Moore. Where is Phill Harrison's pledge?
Um, you're ignoring the fact that the whole world is not on Kickstarter. For Kickstarter, this project is wildly successful and is the fifth highest funded game of all time, and is likely to be the second or third highest, maybe number one by the end. Most people in the world do not have a Kickstarter account or go on the website.
This is why I've said it before that this Kickstarter needs to market more outward to first ever backers, like those that do not understand what the stretch goals are, and not so much to hardcore Shenmue fans to make a damn account and back it.
Peter probably pledged more than Shuhei's $29 lol.
Shadow2222
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Well, if the Xbox was a huge success, maybe things would have been different, but business is business and, at the very least, I respect him for thinking that Shenmue was good enough to be a huge "get" as a region-exclusive Xbox title.
It still stings, but I'm willing to forgive and forget now that we have a 3rd game coming lol.
Laevateinn
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He probably only pledged to keep the pitchforks away.
VistraNorrez
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They a should produce a sort of new Shenmue Passport for their website/YouTube. Do the character heads explaining the different gameplay systems. Maybe put up a QTE mini-game that has leaderboards. Nozomi's message and some of those weird things. I wonder if they collected any of that data from the online component of Shenmue 1. If they have stats maybe they could post those.
Cave Johnson
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If kickstarter was as easy as donating to a charity-box, I'm pretty sure we would have the $10 million funded by now. As of yet, I have not pledged my money because my credit card has yet to clear out a payment which leaves me to wait until then. Does this make me an illegitimate Shenmue supporter or backer? Even if I didn't back the KS, the notion of supporting the damn product once it is released is just as valid. By your logic, every pre-order of games are the one and true estimate of the amount they are going to sell and any other non-preorder customers aren't going to show up day 1, 2, 3 and so forth to make up the remaining sales market-share.
Ghost_Messiah
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Some pretty awesome news from this thread.
That should give the Kickstarter a boost! Awesome of them to be doing this.
Preview of the upcoming Shenmue print. This first Shenmue print is made by John Sweeney - lead concept artist on The Last of Us and Uncharted 4 - who took a super cinematic approach. He is also a massive Shenmue fanWe hope to release the print for purchase early next week as we want part of the proceeds to go to the Shenmue Kickstarter.
That should give the Kickstarter a boost! Awesome of them to be doing this.
Some pretty awesome news from this thread.
That should give the Kickstarter a boost! Awesome of them to be doing this.
That is very cool.
quoting myself to see if anybody will bite
i'm collecting the footage but i want to see how people would like it packaged
I was actually a bit relieved when I saw the stretch goal list. I was half-expecting the ten million dollar goal to be something like, "Take the rails off".
Hopefully, the stream tonight will clear up questions for those who are on the fence on backing. Ten million isn't going to happen (barring some miracle), but I would definitely like to see it hit five, since Suzuki really wants to put that character perspective system in.
Hopefully, the stream tonight will clear up questions for those who are on the fence on backing. Ten million isn't going to happen (barring some miracle), but I would definitely like to see it hit five, since Suzuki really wants to put that character perspective system in.
Theonik
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Well that's basically the 11m goal. MAGIC MAZE.
ArisenDragon
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We want the magic maze. I wonder how much Yu will talk about on twitch tonight.
Ryo Hazuki
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Hoping they drop some new tiers mid-stream tonight. Would be nice. Looking forward to it either way.
Ghost_Messiah
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Also hoping for some strong announcements. New tiers are a must and would be a great start. Just anything to inject some energy in to this campaign.
I don't see Peter as a bad business man. I wouldn't be surprised if MS have Sega more for Shenmue 2 than Sega earned from Shenmue 1 in the states. Sega was hurting back then, so any extra money probably sounded good.
Honestly as a huge Dreamcast and Shenmue fan, I wasn't bothered by the deal at all. I was just happy Shenmue 2 was coming in some form.
Some pretty awesome news from this thread.
That should give the Kickstarter a boost! Awesome of them to be doing this.
Ok that is really awesome! We need more support like this.
Some pretty awesome news from this thread.
That should give the Kickstarter a boost! Awesome of them to be doing this.
Wow, that is really cool. Is this going to be in the Artbook from the kickstarter, or is this separate?
ArisenDragon
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7 pm pacific time tonight.
Depending on my budget I might bump my bid up to the $175 tier, especially because of the physical artbook, and that I will still be able to get the digital PS4 version. We will see, though. I want to see what other tiers and rewards they put up soon. Having a Phoenix Mirror replica would be bad ass.
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