Marvel announces Tom Holland will play Spider-Man, Jon Watts to direct

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I don't mind organic, but mechanical adds to the character: shows how smart Peter is, can add tension and variety in fights (fluid running out, different types of web), can be a money issue when he's completely out of cash to make web-fluid, etc.

Preferences aside, Marvel will want to stick to 616/Ultimate Peter as closely as possible, so they'll be mechanical. Plus, mechanical = more toys.
 
I know they do, I'm saying I thought the deal would include a merchandising deal where sony could get some of the profit.

Not a chance. Disney makes money hand over foot from Spidey merch. Dumbest decision Pascal ever mad was selling off the merchandise rights for one of the most merchandisable characters on the planet.
 
Not a chance. Disney makes money hand over foot from Spidey merch. Dumbest decision Pascal ever mad was selling off the merchandise rights for one of the most merchandisable characters on the planet.
Indeed. But that's why I was hoping merchandising would've been included in the deal in some capacity...it'd certainly help Sony.
 
Kraven and Mysterio are the main villians I can't wait to see on the big screen.

I wonder which other MCU characters will show up in the solo Spidey film.
 
If he's 5'8", then he's around average, not short. It'd be better if he's 5'6". I feel like he'd stand out more, ironically.

Eh. They're both below average (which is ~5'10"). They can always further accentuate height differences.

God bless this man. That sounds like a great approach to Spidey that we haven't fully gotten yet.

And new villains? Yes, please! C'mon Mysterio and Shocker!

This is exactly what I'd want to see, so I'm glad they are describing it that way.
 
Eh. They're both below average (which is ~5'10"). They can always further accentuate height differences.
by both the U.S and the U.K which is where this guy is from, average height is 5'9". I know they can make him look not as short as he is but I think it'd be cool and refreshing to see a shorter superhero. 5'6"

and yes...part of that reason being i'm that short.
 
Would it be possible for Kingpin to turn up anywhere in Spiderman or do we think the darker tone of daredevil will keep those heroes seperated?

I honestly wouldn't mind a Kingpin cameo at least.
 
Would it be possible for Kingpin to turn up anywhere in Spiderman or do we think the darker tone of daredevil will keep those heroes seperated?

I honestly wouldn't mind a Kingpin cameo at least.

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Would it be possible for Kingpin to turn up anywhere in Spiderman or do we think the darker tone of daredevil will keep those heroes seperated?

I honestly wouldn't mind a Kingpin cameo at least.
i've been saying this whole time that kingpin should be the villain the reboot.

a cameo isn't doing him justice considering the fact that he is one of spiderman's rogues
 
Kingpin was a Spidey rogue but I think he is more of a Daredevil villain these days. And seeing as they want new villains, I don't think he is in the picture. Feel pretty certain about now.
 
Kingpin was a Spidey rogue but I think he is more of a Daredevil villain these days. And seeing as they want new villains, I don't think he is in the picture. Feel pretty certain about now.

Yeah Spidey outgrew Kingpin, the last time Spiderman went after him Kingpin faked his death and left the country.
 
i've been saying this whole time that kingpin should be the villain the reboot.

a cameo isn't doing him justice considering the fact that he is one of spiderman's rogues

Well, I think it'd be better letting the Kingpin be seen as a manipulator rather than an active combatant... I mean Kingpin was way better in the Daredevil show as, you know, a mob boss than a fighter, so I'd hope any confrontation Fisk has with Spiderman -if he has any one at all- is after Spiderman has had to "earn" it.
 
What are you trying to say here pal
The point is that there's a huge draw towards an attitude wherein people pretend that caring about whether a company which makes products that you enjoy stay afloat is somehow a ridiculous thing to do. I care that, for instance, Marvel makes money because I enjoy their products and would like them to have the money to produce more movies/comics/whatever for the foreseeable future.
 
Kingpin was a Spidey rogue but I think he is more of a Daredevil villain these days. And seeing as they want new villains, I don't think he is in the picture. Feel pretty certain about now.
He is still one of Spidey's rogues, the difference is that he is now Daredevil's archenemy.

Yeah Spidey outgrew Kingpin, the last time Spiderman went after him Kingpin faked his death and left the country.
"outgrew" kingpin?

Well, I think it'd be better letting the Kingpin be seen as a manipulator rather than an active combatant... I mean Kingpin was way better in the Daredevil show as, you know, a mob boss than a fighter, so I'd hope any confrontation Fisk has with Spiderman -if he has any one at all- is after Spiderman has had to "earn" it.
perhaps, yeah. but kingpin can go toe to toe with Spiderman. Although he has superhuman strength, it's not to the extent where strong humans in peak physical condition can't handle their own against him for a while.

but anyways, it's just my opinion that the mcu narrative as far as kingpin's story arc goes, would be interesting if it continued as him as the main antagonist of the spiderman reboot, picking up from where daredevil left him off.

The point is that there's a huge draw towards an attitude wherein people pretend that caring about whether a company which makes products that you enjoy stay afloat is somehow a ridiculous thing to do. I care that, for instance, Marvel makes money because I enjoy their products and would like them to have the money to produce more movies/comics/whatever for the foreseeable future.
Okay, so with this statement, I'm guessing that you agree with me? Because I do care that Sony stays afloat because imo, they make the best TVs, and they make PlayStation.

Hating on Sony is the cool thing to do because people blame them on the asm series and SM3 but forget the fact that the spectacular cartoon as well as the first two films also happened under their watch.
 
I think Kingpin would make a good villain for a third Spider-man film in the MCU if they get that far. Right now the Kingpin in Daredevil is not quite the the criminal mastermind who controls the entire city. He tried to get there and failed. The Spider-man being introduced in the MCU now is a kid. It's unlikely that he'll get associated with the darker sides of the city until he grows a bit. A good way to naturally blend Kingpin into Spider-man in the MCU would be to start Spider-man off with more colorful and larger than life villains - Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter, Vulture, etc, which would fit the sort of highschool tone as well, and then as Parker graduates (literally!) into the adult world, he finds that there are more dangerous and scarier things than costumed villains - the real corruption that hides in plain sight.
 
I think Kingpin would make a good villain for a third Spider-man film in the MCU if they get that far. Right now the Kingpin in Daredevil is not quite the the criminal mastermind who controls the entire city. He tried to get there and failed. The Spider-man being introduced in the MCU now is a kid. It's unlikely that he'll get associated with the darker sides of the city until he grows a bit. A good way to naturally blend Kingpin into Spider-man in the MCU would be to start Spider-man off with more colorful and larger than life villains - Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter, Vulture, etc, which would fit the sort of highschool tone as well, and then as Parker graduates (literally!) into the adult world, he finds that there are more dangerous and scarier things than costumed villains - the real corruption that hides in plain sight.
hm...actually, that sounds pretty good.
 
Kingpin would be a great starting villain. I love all his whacky super-villains but Spidey is at heart a street level superhero. They should start with him dealing with street level criminals before moving on to the big guys.

Pedro Pascal as Kraven would be daaaaaamn good though.
 
I think Kingpin would make a good villain for a third Spider-man film in the MCU if they get that far. Right now the Kingpin in Daredevil is not quite the the criminal mastermind who controls the entire city. He tried to get there and failed. The Spider-man being introduced in the MCU now is a kid. It's unlikely that he'll get associated with the darker sides of the city until he grows a bit. A good way to naturally blend Kingpin into Spider-man in the MCU would be to start Spider-man off with more colorful and larger than life villains - Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter, Vulture, etc, which would fit the sort of highschool tone as well, and then as Parker graduates (literally!) into the adult world, he finds that there are more dangerous and scarier things than costumed villains - the real corruption that hides in plain sight.

Spider-Holland 1 Mysterio/Chameleon---> lite action thriller
Spider-Holland 2 Kraven/Vulture/Shocker--->lite action suspense
Spider-Holland 3 Kingpin/Hammerhead--->crime drama

Make it happen!

#armchairmovieproducer

Kingpin would be a great starting villain. I love all his whacky super-villains but Spidey is at heart a street level superhero. They should start with him dealing with street level criminals before moving on to the big guys.

Pedro Pascal as Kraven would be daaaaaamn good though.

Noooo this started a huge debate last time lol
 
This sounds good, but about the villain part, most of the MCU villains sucking doesn't instill much confidence. Will be good to see some new faces, you could write some good shit with Mysterio and Chameleon team up.

As far as the John Hughes vide, I guess I'll take it?

Yeah well having to make a international film is gonna keep characters like Red Skull sanitized to what you got in Cap 1. I didn't expect the full on super racist master of all evil red skull that tried to kill his own daughter and was a pure white supremacist. Red Skull without the hate is just a generic mad man (that will even bomb the Germans!..right)...But hopes are higher for Baron Zemo since he is more of an ego maniac.

I hold out hope for a more Kree progress focused Ronan since there is a whole line of them and Corps of Accusers, that version of him fit GoTG though. However, an Accuser that is obsessed with one planet...Xandar at that is too small for the Kree Accusers who are concerned with empowering the kree, growing the empire, and protecting the empire. 800 + worlds and Ronan is obsessed with Xandar which will be crushed in due time by..hell draw a name out of a hat. Small time job for Ronan

Loki and Malekith , neutered because its "tech" not majik.....no one would care if they totally flip flopped and wen LoTR either, its just a meh why? Remember the magic is just science! Chriiiiiiiiist can I have my Journey Into Mystery now please? You know with asgardians that have a natural affinity for majik, badass dwarves in master crafted armor, Balder, Tyre , Kelda, Brunhilde, Ulik, Alfheim...why don't you want this money Marvel?

Ultron was interesting but that was the older batshit insane version that was more expressive. Later on he became the cold calculating , get the job done version that more people identify with , cold , quick to kill and not give a fuck. In the end..thats Whedon's style he can't do complete despair and devoid of person type shit he must be scared of the concept.

Whiplash was a waste of film but the drones and Hammer were great, Stane was great until they had to quickly wrap up the 1st movie, Aim was a good idea but they were seriously lacking in smarts Shane Black did a good job with Tony Stark in IM 3 but he didn't build up the world around him well, AiM in the films is very low tech for being the largest gathering of evil geniuses. Extremis feats looked silly in some cases, They need a good refresh like Hydra got in Cap TWS. You're number one priority for IM is to get Hammer, Stane and family in the forefront stealing and dealing tech on that open international market. Yes more Hammer and some crazy girlfriends that shoot cheating ex boyfriends In the back.

Cap TWS had great villains TWS is an absolute weapon, Hydra infiltration was critical levels, had the weapons to cause havoc, the issue I have is again, hydra is now a progressive fully affirmative action evil organization...wtf part of their plan is to exterminate the "lower races" , yes that's fucked up, YES that's why they're villains of the worst kind and utterly devoid of a moral center.

Some of this is obvious $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ don't rock the boat good villains aren't a dime dozen maybe that's why we remember the stand out ones.

Hopefully for Spiderman they do someone that truly pushes Peter Parker to the edge not just Spidermans abilities. I'd like Kraven, or maybe Hobgoblin.
 
by both the U.S and the U.K which is where this guy is from, average height is 5'9". I know they can make him look not as short as he is but I think it'd be cool and refreshing to see a shorter superhero. 5'6"

and yes...part of that reason being i'm that short.

Ah. Right. I was thinking of non-Hispanic white Americans 20 - 39, where 5'10" is the average. :|
 
Yes outgrew, he been sent down to the Spidey training leagues
i dunno, man. this mcu spiderman is still a very young man. if there's any outgrowing of kingpin he's done, he hasn't done it yet cinematically.
Ah. Right. I was thinking of non-Hispanic white Americans 20 - 39, where 5'10" is the average. :|
na man...5'10" is definitely above average. hell, to me, 5'8" looks average. anything below 5'7" (which is me) is what defines short.
 
This is good news. Now get Pedro Pascal to play Kraven.

Yoooo that's a great idea

I didn't know I wanted this... now it's all I'll ever want! D:

Kingpin would be a great starting villain. I love all his whacky super-villains but Spidey is at heart a street level superhero. They should start with him dealing with street level criminals before moving on to the big guys.

Pedro Pascal as Kraven would be daaaaaamn good though.

manu bennett?
 
O'brien must have loved everyone throwing Spider-Man in his face for the last few months.
but he must be pretty upset with himself for not landing the role.

to put things into perspective, I suppose to explain his weird behavior at paleyfest, he did perhaps audition, but didn't want to talk about it to ruin his chances and didn't want to be asked about it. he was very obviously lying when he said he "hadn't even heard about this...job"
 
by both the U.S and the U.K which is where this guy is from, average height is 5'9". I know they can make him look not as short as he is but I think it'd be cool and refreshing to see a shorter superhero. 5'6"

and yes...part of that reason being i'm that short.

I think it is great that he is short. This young punk kid, smaller than anyone but with a bigger mouth, a bigger brain, and more muscle than most of them. And he will probably just be happy to be there. Plus, think of all the awkward moments he will create when he makes a joke at the wrong time.

If Spidey have to fight the mob, I rather

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Leading into a Superior Foes spin off film!

But Tombstone is cool. Make that a tie in with Daredevil. Tombstone moving in on Kingpin's former turf, and Spidey and Daredevil need to stop him.

Actually, if they want to make a great Daredevil/Spidey team up, do a whole season on Netflix adapting The Death of Jean DeWolff

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na man...5'10" is definitely above average. hell, to me, 5'8" looks average. anything below 5'7" (which is me) is what defines short.

Not for that demographic. I mean, it differs by country and demographic so it's entirely possible that where you are that's the case. But I'm not just pulling this out of my ass.

eh, that doesn't do anything for me. i'll give him the benefit of the doubt but i still believe dylan o'brien would've been best.

I still think he would have been a better option, but I'm not despondent about this choice. I see the potential.
 
I think it is great that he is short. This young punk kid, smaller than anyone but with a bigger mouth, a bigger brain, and more muscle than most of them. And he will probably just be happy to be there. Plus, think of all the awkward moments he will create when he makes a joke at the wrong time.
yes yes and yes. i'm waiting for the inevitable bickering between parker and stark and stark just getting frustrated and being like..."well you're just a kid"

Not for that demographic. I mean, it differs by country and demographic so it's entirely possible that where you are that's the case. But I'm not just pulling this out of my ass.
I know you weren't. That's where I looked as well - and like I said before, both in the U.S and U.K, 5'9" is just around average, which would make 10 above average. I'm stateside by the way.
I still think he would have been a better option, but I'm not despondent about this choice. I see the potential.
I kinda am, gotta be honest. I mean, it's not like I'm gonna not see cap3 or this reboot because of this casting, but it did kill a lot of my excitement/interest for it.
I would have liked O'Brien too, but it's time to move on.
I know. I have no choice but to accept him. at the end of the day, the important thing is, spiderman is a part of the mcu.
 
I would love to see Spidey fight a crime boss instead of the latest science gone wrong monster. I don't think they'll use Kingpin but one of the other crime bosses in a similar role.

Would be a good way to use Adrian Toombs without having to have an old guy in a bird suit as your climactic fight. Just have whoever it is hire some of Spidey's rogues to take him down, preferably a few guys that either probably wouldn't get their own solo shots as villains because they have no real personal story or they're too goofy.
 
For crime lords, Mister Negative would be an interesting choice, lots of potential there imo. He's a character that would feel far removed from the usual Spidey rogue gallery. And not only he's a crime boss that can play behind the scenes, he also has abilities that can be used interestingly in a movie. Wouldn't hurt to have an Asian actor playing the villain either.

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