Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.
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I think MGS is shit...
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Joking, based on the thread on front page atm.
People who play an over decade old game won't like it much as we have gone through several years of refinement for controls, camera etc. Not to mention that graphically things like MGS were remarkable then but look rough as shit now.
Not to say that we only like those games because of nostalgia, but 3D games don't age perfectly well if you have played recent games. Especially third person games these days.
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Joking, based on the thread on front page atm.
People who play an over decade old game won't like it much as we have gone through several years of refinement for controls, camera etc. Not to mention that graphically things like MGS were remarkable then but look rough as shit now.
Not to say that we only like those games because of nostalgia, but 3D games don't age perfectly well if you have played recent games. Especially third person games these days.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
... right, but they still look better. Can you grasp that?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068242 (GAF's best of E3 2015 Awards)
- What an underwhelming top 10 list. Why the hell are Final Fantasy VII, Shenmue III even on there and so high? And usually it's the norm for GAF to dogpile on Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft when they reveal games with CGI trailers.. I bet there are some hypocrites there.
- Clear bias towards PS4, console games and Nintendo games. It's fine, PS4 is the most popular platform among GAF; most people are going to vote with the console that they own in mind. But, as a result, I don't take it very seriously.
- Why the hell are Super Mario Maker and Star Fox Zero so high? Super Mario Maker looks great, but hardly outstanding enough to earn a #9 spot imho. Star Fox Zero looks mediocre in every way.
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- Exclusives are sometimes put on a pedestal by GAF - or at least certain users on GAF - just because it's an exclusive game.
- If you're averse to VR and you hope and think it's going to "fail", then you might be a misguided technophobe and you're probably also metathesiophobic.
- What an underwhelming top 10 list. Why the hell are Final Fantasy VII, Shenmue III even on there and so high? And usually it's the norm for GAF to dogpile on Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft when they reveal games with CGI trailers.. I bet there are some hypocrites there.
- Clear bias towards PS4, console games and Nintendo games. It's fine, PS4 is the most popular platform among GAF; most people are going to vote with the console that they own in mind. But, as a result, I don't take it very seriously.
- Why the hell are Super Mario Maker and Star Fox Zero so high? Super Mario Maker looks great, but hardly outstanding enough to earn a #9 spot imho. Star Fox Zero looks mediocre in every way.
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- Exclusives are sometimes put on a pedestal by GAF - or at least certain users on GAF - just because it's an exclusive game.
- If you're averse to VR and you hope and think it's going to "fail", then you might be a misguided technophobe and you're probably also metathesiophobic.
I can, but I think it's just a really, really insignificant difference. I just think it's weird to obsess about the graphics looking worse than other games on the system when even the best looking 3D games on the system still look really, really bad.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I wouldn't call Kid Icarus Uprising "really really bad".
John Bender
Banned
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy 1 - 9 rocked.
But some "fans" (yeah, sure....) and the media ruined the franchise,
because they were demanding a new battle-system. More action, no turn-based battles.
You could read it everywhere as soon as a new Final Fantasy got released.
FFX was still good, but not as good as 1-9. The downfall began with FF12, which is just horrible.
The so called "fans" weren't FF fans. The FF fans loved the games for what they were. Turn-based JRPGs. FF12 is shit. FF Lightning Saga was pure garbage. And the upcoming "Emo Boy-Band Roadtrip" Final Fantasy looks like a bad joke.
So yeah, the media and those random RPG "Different battle system please / No turn-based battles anymore" players ruined the Final Fantasy franchise, because Square-Enix listened to them, instead of listening to the actual Final Fantasy fans.
And btw.: Naming every second SE game "Final Fantasy somethingsomething" is another reason why the Final Fantasy brand got damaged.
Final Fantasy 1 - 9 rocked.
But some "fans" (yeah, sure....) and the media ruined the franchise,
because they were demanding a new battle-system. More action, no turn-based battles.
You could read it everywhere as soon as a new Final Fantasy got released.
FFX was still good, but not as good as 1-9. The downfall began with FF12, which is just horrible.
The so called "fans" weren't FF fans. The FF fans loved the games for what they were. Turn-based JRPGs. FF12 is shit. FF Lightning Saga was pure garbage. And the upcoming "Emo Boy-Band Roadtrip" Final Fantasy looks like a bad joke.
So yeah, the media and those random RPG "Different battle system please / No turn-based battles anymore" players ruined the Final Fantasy franchise, because Square-Enix listened to them, instead of listening to the actual Final Fantasy fans.
And btw.: Naming every second SE game "Final Fantasy somethingsomething" is another reason why the Final Fantasy brand got damaged.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I'll fight anyone who says X is worse than II.
John Bender
Banned
I think it's a problem of early 3D games, not 3D games in general. Even early 2D games aged badly.
Riposte
Member
FFX is actually fully turn-based.
Much of the series was was not (e.g., FFVI).
The FFXIII series (haven't played LR) are "turn-based" in the same way the previous games that used ATB were.
People have been calling Final Fantasy "emo" since FFVIII, if not VII.
When it comes to calling people "not real fans", people have doing that since FFVII, if not earlier.
Why do you hate paragraphs?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
FFXII should probably have been a spin-off title and not a mainline title, keeping Ivalice as the setting for experimental games (Vagrant Story, FF:Tactics)
peanutbutterlatte
Member
But it's the only FF game I've played that's actually enjoyable and fun.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
I love FFXII's Gambit system (alongside DAO's Tactics). I wish these systems appear in more games
Sure.
But it should have been FF:Guilds or something.
TommyTosser
Member
Shenmue looks like the biggest piece of
along with Persona.
shit
Tifa Lockheart, Aika (Skies of Arcadia), Shiek (and by extension, Zelda), Alyx Vance, Ashley Williams (can't be romanced by a female), Claire Redfield, Jane (walking dead season 2), etc...
There are plenty that are either shown to be heterosexual or shown enough that they lean toward it based on everything we know of them.
Along with examples like Lightning where their sexual preferences are left unexplored.
There are plenty more examples too.
One person's opinion is not proof of the things you claim.
Again, the traits Ellie possess are very common in communities surrounding this sexual preference. My sister's a lesbian, as is one of my ex girlfriend's sisters, Ellie is a very natural and believable example, in my experience at least.
Yes, there is a stereotype that tomboys are lesbians, but that doesn't change the fact that the tomboy trait is common in LBGT communities. It makes the character natural, believable, not every character has to be an extreme or unique example to be well written.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I can understand if you don't like something like others do, but coming here and post stuff like 'this is shit, this is awful, this is overrated' without saying why does it looks like it's just trying to shitpost.
John Bender
Banned
I know. It was still good (as I've already said) but the beginning of the downfall.
I hate them.
Definition of soulmate is not purely romantic or sexual. Soulmate: a person ideally suited to another as a close friend or romantic partner.
Their relationship is purely platonic.
The other which I think is referring to this
https://youtu.be/ng0-e7aVURc
Would be you calling Yukiko homosexual and she's far from a tomboy, she's the polar opposite of a tomboy. Chie being confused by Shadow Yukiko calling her a prince would suggest she doesn't know what she's referring to. I suspect that whole scene is a jab at her being a tomboy not in any way evidence that Chie is homosexual.
How is that problematic? There are a lot of tomboys out there who are gay, so why it's a problem to depict Ellie as one?
Also, like you already mentioned, there's Bill who we really didn't expect to be gay and ND depicted him as one. Do we have to depict all gay people completely divorced from any mannerism or trait that might imply they are gay? Should we feel offended that Nathan Drake is a testosterone filled, ladies' man hero? Or does he need to be gay so we can avoid "stereotypes"?
Also, context helps. Ellie could've been that way due to the world she grew up in, and she ended falling in love with her best friend by coincidence. Why do we have to attach the fact that she's tomboy to her feelings for another girl?
We're so caught up in controversy nowadays it's ridiculous.
I felt Fallout 3 was extremely sub-par, and never understood the hype. I mean sure, exploring can be fun, but it was just walking around to end up finding nothing of interest. The 'main story' was terrible and short, and the opening was far, far too long. I liked New Vegas a lot more.
I think FO3 has a much better atmosphere than Vegas when exploring, it just feels more adventurous.
Vegas is a much tighter game, better written for sure, but the exploration in FO3 I remember feeling better.
Trigonometrize.
Member
The Japanese dedicated game machine software market is really healthy, with lots of amazing rhythm games, visual novels, and unique JRPGs.
I guess that's more contrarian than controversial.
I guess that's more contrarian than controversial.
Nintendo should either sell the metroid franchise or work to publish metroid games on competitors platforms, developed by third party studios.
Its become pretty evident that much of the potential demographic for Metroid don't buy Nintendo consoles, and there might not be a lot of cross polination between Metroid and other Nintendo franchises.
Issue is, the IP is a potential gold mine, and has interesting characters, story, and setting, that are being further distanced from Nintendo's current stable of more family friendly games.
Its become pretty evident that much of the potential demographic for Metroid don't buy Nintendo consoles, and there might not be a lot of cross polination between Metroid and other Nintendo franchises.
Issue is, the IP is a potential gold mine, and has interesting characters, story, and setting, that are being further distanced from Nintendo's current stable of more family friendly games.
Hey look, it's the one scene everyone mentions as an example of why FFX sucks.
Like it invalidates the rest of the 50 hour game or something.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Yeah, its not like the DS was the only thing keeping the Metroid styled Castlevanias alive or anything.
Plague Doctor
Member
I know it isn't all that controversial (in the respect that other people have voiced this opinion) but highly, highly flammable...
Gone Home could be one of the worst game I have ever played and the sole reason I am cynical to any and all game critics. I bought it off Steam based on the glowing, near universal praise and I discounted the negative user reviews as being par for the course.
I am sure it is a great game for some, and that's their opinion and sincerely huzzah for them. I was expecting something remotely supernatural and riddle based on the vague marketing and spoiler free reviews of an incredible reveal at the end. The reveal was just anticlimatic (and not shocking what so ever) for the build up and I felt like let down expecting something to happen
Yeah, but... nothing.
Gone Home could be one of the worst game I have ever played and the sole reason I am cynical to any and all game critics. I bought it off Steam based on the glowing, near universal praise and I discounted the negative user reviews as being par for the course.
I am sure it is a great game for some, and that's their opinion and sincerely huzzah for them. I was expecting something remotely supernatural and riddle based on the vague marketing and spoiler free reviews of an incredible reveal at the end. The reveal was just anticlimatic (and not shocking what so ever) for the build up and I felt like let down expecting something to happen
like omg, you are actually a ghost and this was you last visit home before it's revealed you are dead. And that would have made the game kind of heart warming to see how your little sister and your parents have moved on.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
It's also just not true. The dedicated gaming console market isn't really healthy, but mobile games sure are.
Sequence Six
Member
It honestly started with 7 and reactions to Cloud's attitude. Except the praise when it first hit drowned out a lot of the criticisms of the game and then 8 landed with its super emo bomb and this particular complaint about Cloud was (mostly rightfully) shifted to Squall.
Tifa wasn't the tomboy of FF7, Aeristhtshs was. Tifa wore the flashier clothes and punched dudes, yes, but she wanted the quiet life with her boy more than anything else. When everything's about to culminate at the end of the game the thing she wants most is a secluded moment with Cloud. She's the emotionally demure childhood friend.
Aeristhtshs wears dresses and is a prototypical caster and support character but she's the street-wise outsider who shakes things up and looks for action. She's strong-willed and independent even if she does get kidnapped a few times.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I don't find Tidus to be annoying. I really liked him when I was 12 and played it the first time and I still do.
That's how I feel about the PS4's lineup...
You don't like the look of Uncharted 4 or Horizon or Persona 5?
Both consoles have some great exclusives incoming.
Octavianus
Banned
I wish Atlus would spend most of their efforts on the main SMT games instead of making so many spin-offs.
SMT 4 wasn't as good as the ones that came before it but I still feel like they have something special going there whereas Persona does absolutely nothing for me.
Besides the change in overal atmosphere Personas Social Links are some of the worst shit I've ever had to put up with in a video game and the calendar system creates a lot of artificial pacing issues. Also Persona 3 and 4's battle system was a step down from the press turn battle system they had in Nocturne.
Oh and fuck the art style they used in the Devil Survivor games.
Persona 5 doesn't look much better. Shit makes me sad because they used to do stuff like this:
I would kill for a Nocturne HD remaster.
SMT 4 wasn't as good as the ones that came before it but I still feel like they have something special going there whereas Persona does absolutely nothing for me.
Besides the change in overal atmosphere Personas Social Links are some of the worst shit I've ever had to put up with in a video game and the calendar system creates a lot of artificial pacing issues. Also Persona 3 and 4's battle system was a step down from the press turn battle system they had in Nocturne.
Oh and fuck the art style they used in the Devil Survivor games.
Persona 5 doesn't look much better. Shit makes me sad because they used to do stuff like this:
I would kill for a Nocturne HD remaster.
blue_phazon
Member
Horizon was hands down the most interesting AAA exclusive game shown at e3, but unchcarted has always been meh for me and I never played persona.
I'm not the person you're responding to, but I share his opinion
I also think MS has the best 2015 lineup, but 2016 looks like it'll be great for both
disappeared
Banned
I still lament Rockstar taking all that bullshit criticism to heart and screwing up GTAV's driving. IV was virtually perfect with its car physics; the cars had a real sense of weight to them, and complimented the Euphoria engine well.
You should check out the Persona 5 trailer if you have any interest in JRPGs.
blue_phazon
Member
yeah I should. I've always played action RPGs like Tales games or Souls but I've been dabbling into more strategic ones like Xenoblade and then into turn based like Bravely Default.
My only concern with Persona is that it looks seems like a continuous story and I haven't played the previous ones.
also I don't have a PS4. I'll probably get one at the end of the generation for vheap
Uncharted 4 looks like a prettier Uncharted 3, but I wouldn't really call that exciting.
higgsboson1997
Member
Microsoft had the best conference. Sony had a very mediocre one - the "big three" are basically a remake, a sequel to an ok and niche series that was mostly famous for almost killing Sega (which people are for some reason making out to be far bigger than it is), and a game that we have known about for 6 years and which just looks like Ico.
Nintendogs deserves its 40/40 on Famitsu - it was the best pet simulator of its time.
A Link Between Worlds is far better than every other Zelda game.
Old games might be good for their time, but almost none of them hold up today.
The 3DS is the best gaming system ever created.
Metroid Prime Federation Force was one of my favourite parts of Nintendo's Digital Event.
Fable 2 is the best RPG of last generation.
Platinum Games is just an ok publisher/developer, and always seem to make the exact same style of game.
Nintendogs deserves its 40/40 on Famitsu - it was the best pet simulator of its time.
A Link Between Worlds is far better than every other Zelda game.
Old games might be good for their time, but almost none of them hold up today.
The 3DS is the best gaming system ever created.
Metroid Prime Federation Force was one of my favourite parts of Nintendo's Digital Event.
Fable 2 is the best RPG of last generation.
Platinum Games is just an ok publisher/developer, and always seem to make the exact same style of game.
paragonpro
Banned
/This.
Octavianus
Banned
Don't bother.
I understand that Gone Home may not be for anyone, and that's cool. It only proves that there are games for everyone. No one has to be excluded.
But you seem to have come to the game wanting it to be something it never was. You set your expectations to something that the game never promised, so naturally you would find it disappointing. You read the Steam reviews. I'm pretty sure at least one or two must have mentioned the nature of the game, or at least warned you that it's not a survival horror game. You didn't make a responsibly informed purchase, and the game is not to blame for that.
