ebullientprism
Member
Seriously.
I genuinely wonder if the same people on GAF would pitch a fit if the next Civ game just says Civ instead of Sid Meier's Civ.
Somehow I doubt they would care. This cult worship is weird and creepy as hell.
Metal Gear Solid V final box art (A Hideo Kojima Game/Kojima Productions removed)
- Thread starter Love Deterrence
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Seriously.
I genuinely wonder if the same people on GAF would pitch a fit if the next Civ game just says Civ instead of Sid Meier's Civ.
Somehow I doubt they would care. This cult worship is weird and creepy as hell.
Salz01
Member
It's less about if his name is there or not from the start. But more that it was there already, and they took it off.
LordBaztion
Member
Shinkawa alternative cover?
MurderOfPoes
Neo Member
Is Konami really going to allocate money and resourcers to maintain servers for a new Metal Gear Online mode?
ebullientprism
Member
So? How does this hurt Kojima?
Most likely, Konami didnt wanna plaster the boxart with the name of someone they wont have making the next MGS game. So they made the change. People here are acting like Konami destroyed Kojima's career by doing this.
Why are you guys so freaking out that he wont get an ego stroke. I am sure his name will be plastered all over the in game credits.
NoctisVsStar
Member
i believe ken on twitter said there isn't going to be an alt cover.
LordBaztion
Member
Sad to hear that, Then I guess I'm going digital with this one.
All that warrants is our curiosity, if anything. Outrage for the removal of a privilege that didn't have to be awarded to begin with is unnecessary.
That's what you get in the Day 1 edition or that's what is cut? Anything related to MGO is moot since we aren't getting it at launch.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Is not only his name, is the name of the studio.
Vinterbird
Member
Plus Konami owns Metal Gear Solid, the branding, engine and everything related to it.
If they believe it is better for the future of the franchise to cut out everything Kojima they can do that because they own everything related to it.
Going crazy over it is odd. It's a business and they will do whatever they do. Shrug, move on and see if the game is good. If yes, then yay. Same philosophy should be applied to the next Metal Gear instead of the inevitable storm of "you ruined Metal Gear".
Ooccoo
Member
Ah, the great corporation mindset.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Konami did ruin a lot of franchises in the long run.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Sad state of affairs yes, personally I just want to play the game hell put it in duffle bag for all I care. In a perfect world I want his name on it.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Why are you so annoyed by people caring about this? How does any of this affect you?
Someone should make a printable version so I can put it in the case when I get the game.
Love Deterrence
Member
Was in the E3 demo, so we can only hope-- the trailer had the logo sans "Kojima Productions," so really hard to say.
Love Deterrence
Member
That's what you get in the Day 1 edition or that's what is cut? Anything related to MGO is moot since we aren't getting it ever.
FTFY! ;-)
MurderOfPoes
Neo Member
Doesn't hurt Kojima much. But as you can see, fans see this as lack of respect and it hurts Konami's image.
Sid Meier is as much involved in Civ now as Tom Clancy is involved in Rainbow Six. And he's dead. A better analogy would be if if Tyler Perry's name was taken off the next Madea movie.
I'm not really up in arms about it, but it is vindictive as hell. Kojima is Metal Gear to anyone who knows what Metal Gear really is. And his name has always been in the marquee.
fierrotlepou
Member
Anyone else afraid that this game might not deliver? That Kojima hasn't been able to create the game he wanted because of Konami? I hope I'm wrong.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Rest easy Kojima's vision is not compromised.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Nope. Not even slightly.
Not even in the slightest.
No, MGSV is a 100% Kojima and Kojima Productions game.
fierrotlepou
Member
Ill be fine as long as I can explore shoot and do things in an open world setting as quiet
MandrakeUK
Member
Konami you double 0 dickheads, absolutely stupid behavior on their part.
Muffdraul
Member
The box art in general is so meh that I'm having difficulty getting upset about this. It's even more meh than the MGS4 box art, which was at critical meh levels.
I've never been able to get too emotional about the whole thing without knowing the details of the situation. Kojima is a big wheel with a big ego (anyone else remember the MGS3 era interview in Edge where he said he considered all post-MGS stealth games to be "his" games, because they wouldn't exist if not for MGS?) and I don't think it's a stretch to assume that perhaps he has some culpability in this mess.
That said, TPP is my most anticipated game in years and I wouldn't care if the box art was a render of Snake taking a dump on the American flag. Day 1. Day fucking ZERO.
I've never been able to get too emotional about the whole thing without knowing the details of the situation. Kojima is a big wheel with a big ego (anyone else remember the MGS3 era interview in Edge where he said he considered all post-MGS stealth games to be "his" games, because they wouldn't exist if not for MGS?) and I don't think it's a stretch to assume that perhaps he has some culpability in this mess.
That said, TPP is my most anticipated game in years and I wouldn't care if the box art was a render of Snake taking a dump on the American flag. Day 1. Day fucking ZERO.
TheSlySoul
Member
Kojima totally taken out of the credits, GG Konami.
giant_frying_pan
Member
No Place For Hideo.
Gambit 1138
Banned
who cares
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I think I can safely speak for everyone here when I say we're all glad you took the time to write that glorious contribution to the discussion.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
While I'm sure Kojima might be offended a little, I actually have to agree. We all know this game is his baby, the game will probably remind us every half an hour too.
I don't care that much, but...
It's clear that it WAS on the box and was then removed. I can see a business justification for the change, but this close to release, that doesn't feel right as a full explanation. There's something inescapably vindictive about the omission. I think people sense that and are rightly a bit grossed out.
Love Deterrence
Member
People wait months, even years, just to discuss their interests at this forum, yet chuckleheads like you get approved at all.
Devilinthiscity
Member
I was really hoping the collectors edition would retain the "A Hideo Kojima Game" tagline, but I guess it was just wishful thinking. Pretty petty thing to do.
I know Konami will milk MGS franchise until its dry.
I'm on board with skipping them without Kojima directing or even providing some guidance.
No, since it's using non-Konami servers (EG: X-box Live, PSN provided servers, Steamworks matchmaking) to the best of my knowledge?
Oh boy, some of these replies, I too like posting in threads without regard for context.
Look, in the grand scheme of things, this isn't going to matter, Kojima's name is all over that game.
However to those that don't seem to get why this is a problem, if you've been paying more than 0 attention to what has been going on with Kojima productions.
This removal on the box art isn't a business move, it's a personal move, everything about this entire situation has been petty nonsense in regards to scrubbing all traces of Kojima from his very own series that he has been hands on with from the very beginning, this isn't like Tom Clancy or whoever elses names where the person has basically jack shit to do with the game anymore.
This is about a man being very close and passionate to his games and also the fans, working hard to establish a new and versatile engine, and basically being an all round positive face for Konami, but they rather say "You work on this until it's done and then you have to fuck off" and while him and his team work on finishing it, they're going around removing his name from his own game, the last and most likely best MGS game we will get.
So you know, there is a reason why people care about this and not other names, it's the principle of the matter.
Honestly everyone around Kojima probably feels more strongly about it than he himself does.
Look, in the grand scheme of things, this isn't going to matter, Kojima's name is all over that game.
However to those that don't seem to get why this is a problem, if you've been paying more than 0 attention to what has been going on with Kojima productions.
This removal on the box art isn't a business move, it's a personal move, everything about this entire situation has been petty nonsense in regards to scrubbing all traces of Kojima from his very own series that he has been hands on with from the very beginning, this isn't like Tom Clancy or whoever elses names where the person has basically jack shit to do with the game anymore.
This is about a man being very close and passionate to his games and also the fans, working hard to establish a new and versatile engine, and basically being an all round positive face for Konami, but they rather say "You work on this until it's done and then you have to fuck off" and while him and his team work on finishing it, they're going around removing his name from his own game, the last and most likely best MGS game we will get.
So you know, there is a reason why people care about this and not other names, it's the principle of the matter.
Honestly everyone around Kojima probably feels more strongly about it than he himself does.
Love Deterrence
Member
It's not that his name is not on the box. It's that it was and now it isn't.