It's cheap and on podcasts like the twit stuff super effective because the hosts do it as content. Audible, Carbonite, Casper and more recently Nature Box have seen a huge ROI based on some reports I've seen.
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Giant Bombcast - 07/14/15
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It's cheap and on podcasts like the twit stuff super effective because the hosts do it as content. Audible, Carbonite, Casper and more recently Nature Box have seen a huge ROI based on some reports I've seen.
Alright bombcast, I'm interested in hearing the Beastcast's input of Iwata.
That's the prime age to enjoy those games.
That's the prime age to enjoy those games.
Glitchesarecool
Member
I refuse to believe that Dan never ran into a person who was lukewarm on God of War until now. They're sometimes good games, but there is a special kind of hate that exists for God of War.
However, Jeff's "I'm so angry let's look at boobs" summary is perfect.
However, Jeff's "I'm so angry let's look at boobs" summary is perfect.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You can't really build a platform on niche JRPGs that a minority of people play though.
There are plenty of indie games that promote cross play. But if it is about games that would make people buy a vita at the exclusion of other systems, it probably is a no go.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Ultimately there are two small audiences. People who want to play ports of indie games and people who like weird Japanese games. Like if you want Persona Dancing, you basically need to own a Vita.
Any new games for the platform are going to come from these two different sources, especially since Sony themselves have given up. Hell, they'd probably kill it if it weren't for all the Japanese "AA" developers who need the Vita to be around in order to remain in business (and can't afford to make PS4 games for whatever reason).
I get that. Without talking about financials or sales, I just mean that, for that minority, saying that there's nothing to play on it doesn't really resonate when we find that there is.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I bet the only one who might play new games on Vita there is Jason, and he's not on the podcast so...
I got a Zojirushi rice cooker after hearing the name on the Bombcast and then looking them up on Amazon, and it's fantastic.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Shenmue was the first game with QTE.
GoW 3 Remastered at $40 is terrible value compared to DMC4 SE at $25 which adds three new playable characters and the Legendary Dark Knight mode which massively increases the enemy count.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-vCCAxyE4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-vCCAxyE4s
agreed. i mean, you can't expect drew and dan to know everything about everyone, but them fading into the background has become more obvious with the beastcast doing an amazing (non cross-talky!) segment every friday.
yeah, i have to admit I only got the Vita for P4G... it's got good games on it, especially with PS+, but the only game that really tipped my hand was Golden.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Golden and Gravity Rush for me basically. Although I've played ZE and some other VNs/JRPGs on it.
It's easily worth buying a PSTV for P4G, and despite G's rambling complaint email there are a ton of Classics that work on it.
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/classics/cid=STORE-MSF77008-PSTVCLASSICS
http://vitareviews.net/playstation-tv-compatible-games-north-america/
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/classics/cid=STORE-MSF77008-PSTVCLASSICS
http://vitareviews.net/playstation-tv-compatible-games-north-america/
It's really not.
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Banned
When they said God of War took itself too seriously, I think they were missing the point as to why it was funnier that way. I mean The Room (film) was supposed to be a serious drama, and it's glorious. And then there's Sharknado which knows what it is and is utterly devoid of that innocence stumbling into terrible genius that made the former so great.
Not that they're the best examples of what I'm trying to get across, but I'm on the toilet at work, this will have to do.
Not that they're the best examples of what I'm trying to get across, but I'm on the toilet at work, this will have to do.
Chance Hale
Member
In the first ten minutes of God of War you kick a grieving father down the mouth of a giant monster just because you're a massive cunt.
God of War games will always be spectacular. Great combat, smart puzzles, and an unparalleled sense of scale. Story is very silly but the series has plenty of brains elsewhere to go with the beauty.
They've been talking about Trackmania since before those games existed
If anything DOTA and Destiny were the new Trackmanias.
Yeah, but people will start to notice it now. Like Starcraft 2.
Very true. To be fair though, the justification in GoW1 was a bit better realized than in subsequent releases. Kratos is still a cockbag, but they had a bit of fun with it and often played up those moments for laughs in GoW1(that dropped NPC you cited even makes a few repeat appearances later in the game...terrible luck he has). Every other game? Just immense(pointless!!) rage fueling the poorest decision making ever by a witless protagonist.
I'm playing Ghosts right now, and I dropped a 2-ton concrete slab on an innocent NPC because Kratos couldn't figure out any other way to activate a floor switch other than dragging that smothered corpse onto it. It's really groan-worthy stuff and this same schtick happens every few minutes in the journey. I really hate it, and yet the spectacle keeps me curious and playing.
Totes.
Remember when Jeff was explaining how many credits/moneys/moons/planets he was getting for running that server.
Hilarious stuff.
I really enjoy when he goes to town on how dumb the things that he enjoys are. His self deprecation is my favourite of his scticks.
What are you even talking about?
They adore Persona 4.
The Vita is a great device if you have no other game playing devices. But if you own a couple of consoles and a PC you've got access to (mostly) better versions of most of the Vita's library with more comfortable controls and a bigger viewing experience.
I'd say that the difference there is that The Room is entirely a failure all around, and the faux-camp of the Syfy (ugh) Originals can only be enjoyed knowing that it is not intended to be "good".
God of War is generally really competently made. The latter games just have a severely groan-worthy tonal problem and the writing fell off a cliff, so to speak. The reason the first GoW is so great is because it was a self-contained complete story with a proper structure and character motivations. You learn by the end why Kratos is an asshole and wanted his vengeance. But then sequels had to happen.
Sort of a unique video game problem. If it's a travesty to play, nobody's gonna want to suffer through it like you could force yourself to sit for an hour to two to listen to a garbage album or watch a garbage movie. You have to be more engaged. And you can engage with the playing while giving the story a pass. Only way I could finish the Tomb Raider reboot.
funkystudent
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Oh dont get me wrong. He was still a rude dude in 1 but I feel like the character has a much better arch in that game.
He was angry for Ares making him kill his wife and kid.
He got revenge by killing Ares.
He tries to kill himself but the gods saved him and made him the next god of war after killing the old one.
THE END.
In god of war 2...
I guess Zeus comes in and says "Yo Kratos. Stop being such a dick with all these wars. I am taking your god powers away for a while and sending you to hades for a time out" and the next 2 games are you killing everything in your way to get to Zeus and stabbing everyone who looks at you.
We can all agree God of War 4 needs a new lead protagonist though right? Like I think it would be neat if Kratos is the big bad in 4 and you kill him becoming a new god of war. Kind of mirroring the first game. Tie some Norse mythology somehow I guess because I guess all the Greek dudes are dead. Go full 3D camera. New combat system.
God of War 4 seems like it has a lot of options for them and I really just hope they dont go with "more Kratos revenge stuff".
Remember when Kratos physically assaulted a drunken Hera because she said something?
Like say what you want about God of War if you enjoy it or not. I liked the games. But I have no idea how anyone could like Kratos. Then again, I don't know how anyone could like Dante either.
Like say what you want about God of War if you enjoy it or not. I liked the games. But I have no idea how anyone could like Kratos. Then again, I don't know how anyone could like Dante either.
The God of War devs knew what they were doing. The sex minigames and some of the ways Kratos treats the NPCs were hilarious. Even the appearance of Perseus from the original Clash of the Titans movie was humorous. They didn't really take themselves that seriously even tho the story was melodramatic and insane.
Dan was correct about it. I wish Alex was on this ep because he loved the series as well.
Dan was correct about it. I wish Alex was on this ep because he loved the series as well.
What? I know they like Persona 4 (well, Jeff and Drew for this one). Is Persona 4 the only exclusive game on the Vita (not to mention the fact that we're talking about a remake)? Are you seriously arguing that the Bombcast group are the types of people to like most of the Vita exclusives that are out there? Games like:
1. Danganronpa
2. Danganronpa 2
3. Freedom Wars
4. Gravity Rush
5. Persona 4: Dancing All Night
6. Hotaru no Nikki
7. Demon Gaze
8. Soul Sacrifice
9. Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines
etc.?
I don't see what's so controversial about what I'm saying. Of the PlayStation Vita exclusives that are out there, am I wrong to say that those are typically not the games I would associate with the people on the Bombcast?
If Jason was on this ep, he would've defended it to some extent. Patrick LOVES the Danganronpa games but he's no longer with GB. I wouldn't say the entire crew is against those games.
I'm not saying they're against it. I'm not even complaining here; I'm kind of confused at this defense. They're mainly not into niche Japanese games, which is predominantly the kinds of games that are on the PlayStation Vita. That's fine. That's why they can say that the Vita has very little of interest and why it's valid in their case because of their tastes. Is that wrong?
You're not wrong. The crew does dismiss many games they don't have have any interest in. Every GOTY discussion basically pretends Nintendo doesn't exist.
I literally have no idea what half of those games are. The others I know to be average to decent videogames with little to no lasting memory.
It's not controversial. You're just missing a huge amount of general context that was discussed on this particular episode along with dozens (hundreds?) of threads on this website.
You've listed a few games that have a very specific niche and that dont particularly stand up well against others in that genre that happen to appear on other consoles.
So to say that Jeff and Co. are not the audience is false. They've proven they play all sorts of videogames (to the point that Jeff is downloading japanese arcade games on an japanese PSN account because he 'enjoys' them so much).
The more true statement is that Vita games are OK to good but better options exist in multiple avenues elsewhere.
Then you're not the target audience for most of those Vita games, either.
What context? It sounds like you're arguing something that I'm not. Are you talking about Vita sales and mass market appeal, when that's never a point I brought up?
I don't think this is right at all and is entirely subjective.
So you're saying that because Ace Attorney is one of the best visual novel series out there, the Bombcast crew are big fans of it, right?
Marlow Briggs is definitely intentionally dumb. God of War takes itself very seriously.
Sure. But I don't own an extremely successful videogames website with hundreds of thousands of uniques.
I haven't worked and surrounded myself in the industry for 25 years.
I haven't made multiple trips to Japan nor do I host specific, Japanese based podcasts on my website.
So I'm maybe not the right target.
But hey, guess who has all info, context and more?
I'm not sure what you're saying. Why are you bringing up Ace Attorney?
My point is that on whatever scale you want to pick (sales, review scores, general anecdotal opinion, number of threads, number of people playing, number of articles, etc) for every good/great Vita game there are alternatives that exist on other platforms that some may consider to be just as good if not better.
What...
...are you even talking about? My argument was that most of the Vita exclusives are not of the Bombcast staff's tastes. Your argument was that they love all types of games as long as they're good. So you're seemingly arguing that, as long as a game is good, the Bombcast crew will have to love it or be fans of it, as if they don't have any discriminating tastes or judgement of their own based on personal or aesthetic likes.
That is, simply put, stupid and goes against everything people who follow Giant Bomb should have learned right from when it started. Jeff doesn't like The Last of Us or Read Dead Redemption; most people do. Dan likes the God of War series, the others not so much. Most people who have played Danganronpa like it, the Bombcast crew have not touched it, likely because it isn't their type of game.
I'm seriously not even sure what your point is here against mine or what exactly I'm saying that you're refuting: could you sum it up in a sentence? Alternatives for Danganronpa? Alternatives for Persona 4: Dancing All Night? How does this argument even make sense? There are "alternatives" for every game in existence, and how good they are depends on one's tastes. You're talking as if, objectively, all the games that compose the PlayStation Vita's exclusive library have exact replicas on other platforms, but better. I'd like it if you could list examples to support this "objective" thought.
I waffle back and forth on Dan. I read his recent book about how he copes with his anxiety and really appreciated his sincere if relatively simplistic outlook. But the conversation on the Bombcast and everything in the GoW3 quick look just really put forward all the parts of Dan that I kind of can't stand. He makes up his mind, acts incredulous when his own world view is challenged in any way, and just repeats himself over and over until the conversation ends.
He seems like a really, really nice guy, but I think I'd lose my mind if I had to be around him all the time, haha.
That your assumption of the staff's gaming preferences is misdirected and incorrect.
Most of that team has proven to have at least a passing interest in most (if not all) genres. To this point I even remember Ryan and Co. waxing lyrically about their enjoyment of Tiger Woods every couple of years.
Your point seems to be rooted around these niche Japanese RPGs not being to the tastes of the group. This seems so far off base because we know that they have some deep roots in late 80's mid 90's titles like Phantasy Star and Final Fantasy with recent fun stories coming out from Jeff sitting down and watching/playing Final Fantasy X/X-II to completion
Fuck, Jeff has so much of an interest he played the fairly recent Asia only PSO with weird fucking fan translations and crazy currency exchange schemes.
He even went so far as to platinum the Japanese only PS4/PSN arcade games.
If he's interested enough to play that kind of stuff and spend time and money on importing Japanese PSN cards and downloading fan translations what makes you think he wouldn't enjoy a good, NA release of a Vita RPG?
Because I think your assumption of the staff's gaming preferences is misdirected and incorrect. Jeff likes third-person shooters and open-world games. What makes you think he wouldn't enjoy a good, NA release of a TPS or open-world game? Aesthetics, characters, story, setting, music, actual mechanics, etc. All of these are significant parts of a game. Again, you act as if the staff have no discriminating tastes and their likes and dislikes can just be summed up as "genre + good/bad," but I can't understand how that's your perception of things when we've heard them talk about video games for so long now and that we've established the kinds of games they like or dislike. They're not a hivemind. It doesn't take a genius to see the kinds of games a certain group would love that they wouldn't.
Danganronpa: Another Episode is likely to be a good game for the audience it's for. Do you think that the Bombcast would like it if they played it?
Okay, I'll start timestamping everything. Podcast will henceforth be posting three hours later, since I'll need to go back and listen to the whole thing to note all the times. Everyone make sure to thank CambriaRising for lighting a fire under me on this one!