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[Kid Kamikaze10]

All things Bernie has advocated/done.
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This is like MLK staging a sit in at his own church.

Ok but how often has he gone out and actually engaged with black communities and activists across the country about it? Maybe ask them for tips to make his ideas better? We're not talking about the past here, but now, in his campaign.

Because looking at his supporter demos, it hasn't been much. And yet we're supposed to shut up because "it's in the list?"

 

[UltimaPooh]

There's an economic link to most things. No matter what you do, there's always going to be an economic link. What one thing could be said or done by Sanders that doesn't impact the economy in some way?

Which is my point. Economic changes in society are at the root when it comes to race issues. Sure there are small bits that act as tiny band aids but they aren't able to make any mind of meaningful change on their own.

 

[FutureZombie]

His policies are directly responsible for that. When there was no minimum wage, blacks had the same (or lower in some cases) unemployment rate. Thanks, senator.

 

[Dicer]

Ok but how often has he gone out and actually engaged with black communities and activists across the country. We're not talking about the past here, but now, in his campaign.

Because looking at his supporter demos, it hasn't been much. And yet we're supposed to shut up because "it's in the list?"

No but maybe wait for your opportunity, rather than crash a rally...esp when the person you crash is in support of you.It was shitty timing. and poor form

Yes #blacklivesmatter but fuck so do #alllivesmatter

His campaign is fairly new, cut the guy some slack before you judge..also consider his time during the HEIGHT of civil rights.

Poor form.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

No but maybe wait for your opportunity

When will this be? Be specific.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

No but maybe wait for your opportunity, rather than crash a rally...esp when the person you crash is in support of you.It was shitty timing. and poor form.

And people said that they were different than the folks in MLK's day.

Folks, that's the same rhetoric he heard ad naseum.

I don't even feel like responding to the all lives junk. It's been refuted a million times.

It's like saying everyone needs shelter to a homeless guy.

 

[werks]

And people said that they were different than the folks in MLK's day.

Folks, that's the same rhetoric he heard.

I bet he heard it from bernie.

 

[Dicer]

When will this be? Be specific.

I don't plan schedules for the candidates, sorry...

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I don't plan schedules for the candidates, sorry...

You can just say black people will not get the opportunity to have their voices heard, because we all know they won't.

 

[dave is ok]

I'm fine with them crashing a rally, just bring something with more substance than a few hashtags.

You have an audience with someone and you can ask them whatever you want, but instead you shout twitter hashtags.

 

[werks]

You can just say black people will not get the opportunity to have their voices heard, because we all know they won't.

lol

 

[A Link to the Past]

Which is my point. Economic changes in society are at the root when it comes to race issues. Sure there are small bits that act as tiny band aids but they aren't able to make any mind of meaningful change on their own.

Having economic associations does NOT make them economic decisions. That's an utterly ridiculous idea. If that's the case, isn't every politician focused on the economy in everything they do because it'll effect it? Sanders' position is economic changes that will lead to racial justice. What people are asking for are racial justices to be directly dealt with that may lead to economic changes.

I'm fine with them crashing a rally, just bring something with more substance than a few hashtags.

You have an audience with someone and you can ask them whatever you want, but instead you shout twitter hashtags.

They didn't just shout Twitter hashtags. Stop being so busy policing their tone that you actually don't pay attention to what is behind the tone.

Yes #blacklivesmatter but fuck so do #alllivesmatter.

#BlackLivesMatter exists because society treats black lives as though they are less valuable.

#AllLivesMatter exists because white people are annoyed that they have to listen to people on the lower rungs of society talk about how shit it is.

 

[jtb]

This whole "Bernie knows what's good for you better than you do" attitude is exactly why this campaign will never have any breakout potential and is a particularly misguided and ironic (to be generous) reaction regarding racial politics.

 

[dave is ok]

They didn't just shout Twitter hashtags. Stop being so busy policing their tone that you actually don't pay attention to what is behind the tone.

It's not tone policing. It's called actually having a conversation and listening to the answers to your questions instead of constant disruption and soundbite/hashtag spam.

 

[East Lake]

This whole "Bernie knows what's good for you better than you do" attitude is exactly why this campaign will never have any breakout potential and is a particularly misguided and ironic (to be generous) reaction regarding racial politics.

It's more like "Bernie is already supporting the issues you bring up", but yeah if it suits your narrative go with it.

 

[kame-sennin]

No but maybe wait for your opportunity, rather than crash a rally...esp when the person you crash is in support of you.It was shitty timing. and poor form

Yes #blacklivesmatter but fuck so do #alllivesmatter

His campaign is fairly new, cut the guy some slack before you judge..also consider his time during the HEIGHT of civil rights.

Poor form.

Wow.

This is like condescending liberal bingo.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

They didn't just shout Twitter hashtags. Stop being so busy policing their tone that you actually don't pay attention to what is behind the tone.

Unfortunately I only have the video in the OP of the event and they did go in chanting phrases. The time in the video they were engaging they got an answer they didn't like so they went back to chanting phrases. It wasn't that thought out.

The message behind the tone is true but if the person you're protesting engages you and then you go back to chanting phrases then don't expect them to keep going.

 

[Enron]

All things Bernie has advocated/done.
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This is like MLK staging a sit in at his own church.

That's an extremely poor comparison.

 

[dave is ok]

Unfortunately I only have the video in the OP of the event and they did go in chanting phrases. The time in the video they were engaging they got an answer they didn't like so they went back to chanting phrases. It wasn't that thought out.

The message behind the tone is true but if the person you're protesting engages you and then you go back to chanting phrases then don't expect them to keep going.

Here are the full videos for reference:

O'Malley
Sanders

The interruptions are pretty constant.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Having economic associations does NOT make them economic decisions. That's an utterly ridiculous idea. If that's the case, isn't every politician focused on the economy in everything they do because it'll effect it? Sanders' position is economic changes that will lead to racial justice. What people are asking for are racial justices to be directly dealt with that may lead to economic changes.

Oh the absolutely do.

You want better education? Better centers to provide education? In the inner city? You bet you'll need money, which comes from taxes, such as income, sales, state, etc. Those have a direct impact on the economy as well as our economic make up. Surely the poorest of the poor shouldn't have to pay for all of these things? The rich can easily take on this extra tax burden.

Police cameras and creating organizations which keep police in line also need money, probably through tax dollars... but getting the camera is a big economic decision. Do we do what the government usually does and go with the lowest bidder or do we create a better system in which we get the best camera for our dollars?

Creating a stable, fluid, and good economy is at the crux. Yes once that gets fixed we still have other problems when it comes to racial and socio-economic status. We have to make movements in there too, but with a stable economy comes better paying jobs, better education, more opportunities. It gets passed around.

And again if BLM wants these problems fixed they as well as everyone else should focus on the local and state level. Homosexuals didn't just win the right to marry because the federal government said so... it's because by brick by brick and state by state it logically came to that point.

It starts with getting a city government that represents you and your needs.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Wow.

This is like condescending liberal bingo.

I was trying to figure out how best to phrase it, but you nailed it.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Oh wow, Bernie is basically being antagonized on stage by protestors at Netroots saying he's not doing enough for black people.

Donald Trump says McCain not a real war hero and the right is going into a tail spin.

Let's check on Hillary right now.

describes my sentiment well.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Here are the full videos for reference:

O'Malley

20:12. "I gotta take a picture of this."

So fucking ridiculous.

 

[nynt9]

Ok but how often has he gone out and actually engaged with black communities and activists across the country about it? Maybe ask them for tips to make his ideas better? We're not talking about the past here, but now, in his campaign.

Because looking at his supporter demos, it hasn't been much. And yet we're supposed to shut up because "it's in the list?"

I am asking out of a sincere lack of knowledge, is it common enough for politicians to engage "black communities and activists across the country" that not doing so puts the onus on Bernie?

And I don't think the person you quoted advocates "shutting up" because Bernie is already talking about these issues, they probably mean there is no need to disrupt his rallies to the point where he cannot respond since he is already on these issues.

Oh the absolutely do.

You want better education? Better centers to provide education? In the inner city? You bet you'll need money, which comes from taxes, such as income, sales, state, etc. Those have a direct impact on the economy as well as our economic make up. Surely the poorest of the poor shouldn't have to pay for all of these things? The rich can easily take on this extra tax burden.

Police cameras and creating organizations which keep police in line also need money, probably through tax dollars... but getting the camera is a big economic decision. Do we do what the government usually does and go with the lowest bidder or do we create a better system in which we get the best camera for our dollars?

Creating a stable, fluid, and good economy is at the crux. Yes once that gets fixed we still have other problems when it comes to racial and socio-economic status. We have to make movements in there too, but with a stable economy comes better paying jobs, better education, more opportunities. It gets passed around.

And again if BLM wants these problems fixed they as well as everyone else should focus on the local and state level. Homosexuals didn't just win the right to marry because the federal government said so... it's because by brick by brick and state by state it logically came to that point.

It starts with getting a city government that represents you and your needs.

I agree with this. To make change you need money. Having the economy be at a point where you actually have the ability to make these changes is important.

 

[FoneBone]

Wow.

This is like condescending liberal bingo.

It's so perfect that I almost have to wonder if we're getting trolled here.

 

[kame-sennin]

Here are the full videos for reference:

Sanders

The interruptions are pretty constant.

Just watching the beginning of it, it's pretty clear the protesters wanted Bernie to address #blacklivesmatter and Bernie wanted to do his stump speech. Then came the constant interruptions. Bernie's stump speech is good, but these people don't want to be talked at. When the voting populace shows up and demands answers to a pressing issue - that their community members are literally being killed every day - you can't just try to plow through about fucking Citizens United.

 

[Dyson Industries]

Wow.

This is like condescending liberal bingo.

Spot on. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[jay]

I am asking out of a sincere lack of knowledge, is it common enough for politicians to engage "black communities and activists across the country" that not doing so puts the onus on Bernie?

And I don't think the person you quoted advocates "shutting up" because Bernie is already talking about these issues, they probably mean there is no need to disrupt his rallies to the point where he cannot respond since he is already on these issues.

The left is good at destroying their closet things to representatives. A good portion of the left doesn't believe in electoral politics to begin with and write articles about how a Sanders presidency wouldn't change a thing. As a liberal only recently introduced to the left, I find they often see liberals and leftists who aren't left enough to be their biggest enemies as we are the wolves in sheeps clothing defending the system.

Bernie represents the enemy and an imposter to a lot of people because he espouses a lot of the right ideas but ultimately is part of the problem in their view.

This post is largely reactionary and I apologize in advance.

 

[royalan]

No but maybe wait for your opportunity,

Because that's helped the black community...

 

[ErasureAcer]

Do #BlackLivesMatter have some solution or do all they do is chant "Black Lives Matter."

It's very easy to be pissed off at just about anything in the world but unless you have some solutions that you can articulate and at the same time be willing to LISTEN to people, especially those on your side...you are just going to go down in the annals of history as nothing but a moron. "Mike and Dee were ardent supporters of #BLM as we heard everyday all day 'Black Lives Matter.' They said nothing beyond this besides a few swear words while interrupting anyone at any event they could. They will be sorely missed."

No trolling. Seriously...can you imagine MLK standing on the national mall and just repeating over and over again, "Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter. Shut this shit down. Shut this shit down."

#BLM needs some better leadership.

 

[jtb]

The left is good at destroying their closet things to representatives. A good portion of the left doesn't believe in electoral politics to begin with and write articles about how a Sanders presidency wouldn't change a thing. As a liberal only recently introduced to the left, I find they often see liberals and leftists who aren't left enough to be their biggest enemies as we are the wolves in sheeps clothing defending the system.

Bernie represents the enemy and an imposter to a lot of people because he espouses a lot of the right ideas but ultimately is part of the problem in their view.

This post is largely reactionary and I apologize in advance.

I'm pretty skeptical of all the left-eating-its-own tail arguments in most contexts, but particularly in the context of a Presidential election—once Bernie loses, he'll almost certainly endorse Hillary and even the staunchest, left-est critic or Hillary (or Bernie, for that matter) would see them as a much more preferable option than the Republican nominee in a general election. I guess young (usually liberal) voters are notoriously fickle, but even they manage to turn out in general elections.

 

[cashman]

Here are the full videos for reference:

O'Malley
Sanders

The interruptions are pretty constant.

lololol at 9 minutes in he's literally trying to address their question and they still shout over him.

 

[Wreav]

lololol at 9 minutes in he's literally trying to address their question and they still shout over him.

Again, they deserve no attention. They are indefensible in their attacks on the candidates.

They just want to show up and be loud and disruptive because #JUSTICE

 

[royalan]

Do #BlackLivesMatter have some solution or do all they do is chant "Black Lives Matter."

It's very easy to be pissed off at just about anything in the world but unless you have some solutions that you can articulate and at the same time be willing to LISTEN to people, especially those on your side...you are just going to go down in the annals of history as nothing but an moron. "Mike and Dee were ardent supporters of #BLM as we heard everyday all day 'Black Lives Matter.' They said nothing beyond this besides a few swear words while interrupting anyone and any event they could. They will be sorely missed."

No trolling. Seriously...can you imagine MLK standing on the national mall and just repeating over and over again, "Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter. Shut this shit down. Shut this shit down."

#BLM needs some better leadership.

#BlackLivesMatter arose due to the disturbing frequency of unarmed black men and women being shot dead by police and their families receiving no justice whatsoever. Their goal, as has been clear to those paying attention, is to seek that police officers who like to shoot and kill black people and lie about it are actually held accountable, and that the justice system that has allowed these injustices to so easily happen get a much needed overhaul.

#BLM doesn't have leadership. A movement like this can't.

 

[ErasureAcer]

#BlackLivesMatter arose due to the disturbing frequency of unarmed black men and women being shot dead by police and their families receiving no justice whatsoever. Their goal, as has been clear to those paying attention, is to seek that police officers who like to shoot and kill black people and lie about it are actually held accountable, and that the justice system that has allowed these injustices to so easily happen get a much needed overhaul.

#BLM doesn't have leadership. A movement like this can't.

And that's what Bernie's been saying. Why shout him down? Are they just stupid or do they just want to make a scene?

I'm guessing stupid. They see a white guy on stage and they don't know a damn thing about him nor his history of working for civil rights and justice and don't even care to hear him speak to articulate those issues. Seriously, BLM came across as hostile and childish. They need some form of leadership because this shit this past weekend is ridiculous. It's one thing to interrupt someone who disagrees with you...you have a right to bitch. It's something entirely else when people interrupt someone who does agree with you. So fucking dumb. It's counter-productive. Here are 2 people who could be President of the United States and with this opportunity you're going to go on a shit-storm swear tour and interrupt what they have to say leaving little time to answer your questions. Furthermore pissing off a bunch of people in attendance who spent their time to come to this event and then leave with echoes of #BLM and "Shut this shit down." And "Motherfucker" this that and whatever. If I'm judging these people on the content of their character...I'd say they have failed miserably on this particular day.

 

[Kreed]

Sanders has acknowledged it. Clinton gave a pretty detailed speech about racism a month or two ago. Now what?

Now Bernie just needs to direct these responses towards the people protesting on CNN so that his response to them is on video and it can spread through social media, vs the video in the OP that makes it look like neither candidate wanted to deal with the protesters at all.

 

[royalan]

And that's what Bernie's been saying. Why shout him down? Are they just stupid or do they just want to make a scene?

They want to make sure their issues are being heard. Issues pertaining to the black community tend to only get paid lip-service during campaigns. That Bernie handled this incident so poorly somewhat justifies their methods.

 

[BBboy20]

That seems like a wasted opportunity to put O'Malley on the spot about his previous enabling of police corruption and brutality.

 

[SmokyDave]

Man, he missed a trick there. How are you going to get vocal and passionate people up on stage and then let them slide back into the audience to disrupt your shit from afar? He should've sat down with the three main women and talked to them about their fears and how best he can assuage them. Ask them what they want before you tell them what you can do for them. Gives him a chance to look like he cares, and he can steal any great ideas they come out with.

Shouting over him was shitty, but he could've turned that around. He didn't need to look so much like an aloof and crotchety old man.

 

[royalan]

Man, he missed a trick there. How are you going to get vocal and passionate people up on stage and then let them slide back into the audience to disrupt your shit from afar? He should've sat down with the three main women and talked to them about their fears and how best he can assuage them. Ask them what they want before you tell them what you can do for them. Gives him a chance to look like he cares, and he can steal any great ideas they come out with.

Shouting over him was shitty, but he could've turned that around. He didn't need to look so much like an aloof and crotchety old man.

Bingo

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Again, they deserve no attention. They are indefensible in their attacks on the candidates.

They just want to show up and be loud and disruptive because #JUSTICE

Do #BlackLivesMatter have some solution or do all they do is chant "Black Lives Matter."

It's very easy to be pissed off at just about anything in the world but unless you have some solutions that you can articulate and at the same time be willing to LISTEN to people, especially those on your side...you are just going to go down in the annals of history as nothing but a moron. "Mike and Dee were ardent supporters of #BLM as we heard everyday all day 'Black Lives Matter.' They said nothing beyond this besides a few swear words while interrupting anyone at any event they could. They will be sorely missed."

No trolling. Seriously...can you imagine MLK standing on the national mall and just repeating over and over again, "Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter. Shut this shit down. Shut this shit down."

#BLM needs some better leadership.

Whew, look at all this paternalistic bs. Now that is how you get black voters and activist to side with you.

Ugh... This is Ron Paul supporter status. If this what the general response is from Sanders supporters, then Bernie's got a lot of work to do in order for black people to actively rep him.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Man, he missed a trick there. How are you going to get vocal and passionate people up on stage and then let them slide back into the audience to disrupt your shit from afar? He should've sat down with the three main women and talked to them about their fears and how best he can assuage them. Ask them what they want before you tell them what you can do for them. Gives him a chance to look like he cares, and he can steal any great ideas they come out with.

Shouting over him was shitty, but he could've turned that around. He didn't need to look so much like an aloof and crotchety old man.

Ding ding ding, we're got a winner.

This is what he should have done. The onus IS on Sanders. If he wants the black vote that is.

 

[LCGeek]

Man, he missed a trick there. How are you going to get vocal and passionate people up on stage and then let them slide back into the audience to disrupt your shit from afar? He should've sat down with the three main women and talked to them about their fears and how best he can assuage them. Ask them what they want before you tell them what you can do for them. Gives him a chance to look like he cares, and he can steal any great ideas they come out with.

Shouting over him was shitty, but he could've turned that around. He didn't need to look so much like an aloof and crotchety old man.

Spot on. Of all the crap I see in this thread, this is what gets me the most he's a politcian I expect him to do better than have a shouting match I can find on youtube or tumblr.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Whew, look at all this paternalistic bs. Now that is how you get black voters and activist to side with you.

Ugh... This is Ron Paul supporter status. If this what the general response is from Sanders supporters, then Bernie's got a lot of work to do in order for black people to actively rep him.

If people aren't going to vote for Bernie because I'm an ass they're fucking stupid. I don't care who the fuck you vote for. Don't vote at all. I'm not here to suck your dick bruh. If Bernie's decade career of standing up for the right things isn't good enough for ya...you'll never find the candidate to speak to your issues. Bernie already is. It appears you're too stupid to realize that.

 

[East Lake]

Man, he missed a trick there. How are you going to get vocal and passionate people up on stage and then let them slide back into the audience to disrupt your shit from afar? He should've sat down with the three main women and talked to them about their fears and how best he can assuage them. Ask them what they want before you tell them what you can do for them. Gives him a chance to look like he cares, and he can steal any great ideas they come out with.

Shouting over him was shitty, but he could've turned that around. He didn't need to look so much like an aloof and crotchety old man.

Sorry that sounds great but I don't expect people other than the best comedians to deal with shouting and heckling that well. Presenting questions or arguments is one thing, turning it into a shouting match is another.

 

[Verano]

What is the "right" way to protest?

On neogaf...

 

[Vermillion]

Yeah, that's the way to get your message across, hijack a public forum that probably would've been more then happy to address your issue (and probably agree with you) if it was brought up in a civilized manner.

These always bother me. Especially when they have good points.

 

[Wall]

Addressing economic inequality, by itself, won't solve racism. I would think that point would be self-evident to anyone with at least a passing knowledge of American history. Of course, addressing economic inequality is necessary to addressing racial inequality as well, but nobody should be saying the progressives/liberals should only be focusing on economic issues. I guarantee you there isn't a serious progressive/liberal who actually believes that.

And, progressives/liberals sure as hell shouldn't be telling anyone to "wait their turn". That is an unbelievably awful thing to say.

It is entirely possible, and necessary, to address both economic inequality and racial inequality. In fact, both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are trying to do just that in their Presidential campaigns and in their political careers. It just so happens that Sanders is more aggressive in addressing both of those sets of issues; although, from his stump speeches you sometimes get the feeling that he focuses more on economic inequality than racism.

To Sander's credit, in my opinion, he did start to modify his stump speech after his initial poor response to the protesters. He also attempted, albeit clumsily, to reach out to the protesters on Twitter.

Do #BlackLivesMatter have some solution or do all they do is chant "Black Lives Matter."

It's very easy to be pissed off at just about anything in the world but unless you have some solutions that you can articulate and at the same time be willing to LISTEN to people, especially those on your side...you are just going to go down in the annals of history as nothing but a moron. "Mike and Dee were ardent supporters of #BLM as we heard everyday all day 'Black Lives Matter.' They said nothing beyond this besides a few swear words while interrupting anyone and at event they could. They will be sorely missed."

No trolling. Seriously...can you imagine MLK standing on the national mall and just repeating over and over again, "Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter. Shut this shit down. Shut this shit down."

#BLM needs some better leadership.

I said in another thread that Hillary supporters should not be condescending to supporters of other candidates. For instance, as a Sanders supporter, I find that image of Hillary sipping coffee very condescending and annoying.

However, I would also ask fellow Sanders supporters not to be condescending to those who disagree with them. Your post is insanely condescending, and it is just going to provoke anger.

I said before that I'll support Sanders in the primary. I still support him, but I am a little embarrassed to associated with some of this stuff.

 

[Guevara]

Man, he missed a trick there. How are you going to get vocal and passionate people up on stage and then let them slide back into the audience to disrupt your shit from afar? He should've sat down with the three main women and talked to them about their fears and how best he can assuage them. Ask them what they want before you tell them what you can do for them. Gives him a chance to look like he cares, and he can steal any great ideas they come out with.

Shouting over him was shitty, but he could've turned that around. He didn't need to look so much like an aloof and crotchety old man.

Eh, then next week another group of single-issue hecklers shout him down, then another, and so on. All you do is encourage being interrupted.

At some point you need to address the top-ten issues people care about: jobs, the economy, etc. Boring as they may be, that's how most people determine their vote.

 

[Dabanton]

Tbh I hope black activists continue doing stuff like this. Although I wonder if Hilary and her team will make sure they don't get near her.

I know it makes people majorly uncomfortable but that's the way it's got to be. For them to be easily placated would lead to the same platitudes, promises and no action. We've seen the power the police have to commit some very foul acts and still carry on trucking. Supported by a vast swathe of the electorate.

Sucks it had to be Bernie to face their brunt but it looks like people have had enough.