Black Lives Matter disrupts Martin O’Malley, Bernie Sanders town hall

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No but maybe wait for your opportunity, rather than crash a rally...esp when the person you crash is in support of you.It was shitty timing. and poor form

Yes #blacklivesmatter but fuck so do #alllivesmatter

His campaign is fairly new, cut the guy some slack before you judge..also consider his time during the HEIGHT of civil rights.

Poor form.

Just focusing on that for a moment. The message isn't merely "black lives matter". Of course they do, and of course all lives matter. The point is that we ("we" as in society at large and our institutions) often treat black lives like they matter less. When someone responds with "all lives matter" or "police lives matter too" they're denying, in a sense, that our institutions don't treat black lives they matter less. The sane response to the hashtag/movement/etc is "yes, they do, and lets fix it so we don't have to say this anymore". Not doing so is a continuance of the denial our law enforcement, legislators, and even the media have been guilty of for decades.

So I don't fault these activists for standing up before a popular platform, even one that supports them in many ways, and demanding immediate and concise action. What typically happens here will be a placating response - something that will make everyone feel better but not fix any of the problems. And then we'll all go back to our regularly scheduled lives.

Furthermore, many act as if one group not being discriminated against means they're "privileged". Which misses the point. Not being discriminated against is not a privilege, it's a right. We shouldn't keep treating certain rights as if they're privileges. This leads to discrimination being accepted as the de facto standard. So yea, stand up and yell, disrupt press conferences, hold it up right in everyone's' faces and demand actual changes and not more of the same.

Yes, the black vote that showed up at the midterm polls was overwhelmingly Democrat, but the overall black vote numerically was depressed. Thanks in large part to Democratic candidates visibly turning away from Obama's policies.

The Democratic ground-game was missing as well. It was running like a finely tuned machine during the national elections, beating on doors and showing strong presences at polling places and on social media. The DNC (I suppose that's the body ultimately responsible for this) didn't bother to make an effort for the mid-terms. I realize when focusing on fewer candidates and national messages it's easier, but they could have at least shown a real effort. Instead they rolled over and let unpopular GOP candidates waltz in.
 
No but maybe wait for your opportunity, rather than crash a rally...esp when the person you crash is in support of you.It was shitty timing. and poor form

Yes #blacklivesmatter but fuck so do #alllivesmatter

His campaign is fairly new, cut the guy some slack before you judge..also consider his time during the HEIGHT of civil rights.

Poor form.
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If Clinton's people are smart and watching this they'll hit this directly. Address this in a way that #BLM doesn't have to go or attempt to go at her like this. I'm glad this happen to Sanders and O'Malley. It should be a wake up call for them but it's not going to change anything. They simply do not think in this direction. Sander's position that everything relates to economics is the backbone of his platform. I picked up on that years ago and it's always bothered me. How you deal with situations then and there says a lot out a candidate as well. This was test and both of them failed in a big way and look like they'll continue to fail them. You can't just suddenly turn around and adding certain words to your speeches after the fact. You have to shown an actual understanding of the subject because the damage control lip service is easy to spot.

The democratic party takes the black vote for granted. That's not a new thing either. You can't do that now and some are going to figure that out the hard way. I hope this continues and it forces this issue to be heard because there is a disconnect when it comes to white liberals and non-white liberals/progressives/etc on many issues.

How can you say it's a wake up call and then say that it won't change anything. I'm willing to bet Bernie does address more issues more deeply. You can't just assume nothing happens after a thing like this.
 
How can you say it's a wake up call and then say that it won't change anything. I'm willing to bet Bernie does address more issues more deeply. You can't just assume nothing happens after a thing like this.
I said it should be. I worded that the way I did on purpose.
 
Was the black vote in 2010 and 2014 actually significantly lower than any other midterms?

Blacks in general have never showed up for mid terms just like the rest of the Democrats base.
 
Yes, the black vote that showed up at the midterm polls was overwhelmingly Democrat, but the overall black vote numerically was depressed. Thanks in large part to Democratic candidates visibly turning away from Obama's policies. If you think that doesn't resonate with black Democratic voters, you're dreaming.

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Participation was down across the board for "Obama coalition" voters. Young whites, Hispanics, blacks, etc. You could argue democrats running from Obama hurt...but at the same time there were a string of bad stories in 2013 and 2014 and no doubt depressed democrat support. From the NSA revelations to the initial Obamacare fuck ups.

The problem with the "Obama coalition" is that it's pretty easy for republicans to fuck them over on the state level and depress turnout. The refusal to accept the Medicaid expansion in red states is a perfect example of this.
 

Here's her comment in full:

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Was the black vote in 2010 and 2014 actually significantly lower than any other midterms?

Blacks in general have never showed up for mid terms just like the rest of the Democrats base.
African Americans

This cycle, black voters made up 12 percent of the national electorate. That’s compared to 11 percent in 2010 and 13 percent in 2012. Democrats particularly needed high black turnout in Southern states like Georgia and North Carolina.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/where-were-all-dems-heres-who-turned-vote-n241696

Looks up 1% from last midterms.



Prefect timing. Checkmate
 
Here's her comment in full:

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This is what populist candidates (Sanders in this case) often do, force the majority leaders to adapt and speak more frankly. Every now and again they usurp the party leaders and take their place, like Obama did. More often they force their majority leads to slightly alter tune, help them get elected, and then we all get to watch them ignore their promises. This why I want Sanders to win. He'll actually act on his rhetoric. Clinton will be the epitome of status quo.

Still better than any GOP candidate, though.
 
No but maybe wait for your opportunity, rather than crash a rally...esp when the person you crash is in support of you.It was shitty timing. and poor form

Yes #blacklivesmatter but fuck so do #alllivesmatter

His campaign is fairly new, cut the guy some slack before you judge..also consider his time during the HEIGHT of civil rights.

Poor form.
Drop the shitty hashtag, and yes all lives do matter...equally. Not everyone sees it that way, and no way in hell they ever will. IDGAF if you are black white green pink yellow whatever life is important, but I'm the minority. #blacklivesmatter what about the other minorities that get lumped in, go they fall under that banner, the random Hispanics Asians and yes even poor white people that have been unjustly handled prosecuted and yes killed by cops?!?!!? What about them?

If a cop kills a person unjustly it should be dealt with, regardless of race, and that issue has is in discussion. It's not a solution that going to come overnight, screaming and hollering isn't going to make it happen any faster either, esp when you do it in a venue here there is already support for you.
I feel like we're being trolled. All of these are the most embarrassing, ignorant cliches we see in all of these discussions.
 
Oh my god I can't stand black lives matter. They only do shit if either police or white people are involved. They still ain't say shit about the two block party shootings, or about the black kids that got shot in a cross fire, or gang wars, or any other shit where black lives are in danger or lost. And that shit happens more often than police deaths. Nope, either it deals with police/white people, or the black lives didn't really matter. So they can all go protest somewhere else and leave the politicians arguing their issues they came to argue.
 
Oh my god I can't stand black lives matter. They only do shit if either police or white people are involved. They still ain't say shit about the two block party shootings, or about the black kids that got shot in a cross fire, or gang wars, or any other shit where black lives are in danger or lost. And that shit happens more often than police deaths. Nope, either it deals with police/white people, or the black lives didn't really matter. So they can all go protest somewhere else and leave the politicians arguing their issues they came to argue.

Welp...
 
Oh my god I can't stand black lives matter. They only do shit if either police or white people are involved. They still ain't say shit about the two block party shootings, or about the black kids that got shot in a cross fire, or gang wars, or any other shit where black lives are in danger or lost. And that shit happens more often than police deaths. Nope, either it deals with police/white people, or the black lives didn't really matter. So they can all go protest somewhere else and leave the politicians arguing their issues they came to argue.
Because those are situations that are a result of poor policing and a history of white supremacy.
 
Oh my god I can't stand black lives matter. They only do shit if either police or white people are involved. They still ain't say shit about the two block party shootings, or about the black kids that got shot in a cross fire, or gang wars, or any other shit where black lives are in danger or lost. And that shit happens more often than police deaths. Nope, either it deals with police/white people, or the black lives didn't really matter. So they can all go protest somewhere else and leave the politicians arguing their issues they came to argue.

...that's...kind of the point of the movement?

If you can want, you can follow the many other hashtags and movements dedicated to those issues you mentioned...
 
Oh my god I can't stand black lives matter. They only do shit if either police or white people are involved. They still ain't say shit about the two block party shootings, or about the black kids that got shot in a cross fire, or gang wars, or any other shit where black lives are in danger or lost. And that shit happens more often than police deaths. Nope, either it deals with police/white people, or the black lives didn't really matter. So they can all go protest somewhere else and leave the politicians arguing their issues they came to argue.

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Seeing all the cliches up in here.
 
Oh my god I can't stand black lives matter. They only do shit if either police or white people are involved. They still ain't say shit about the two block party shootings, or about the black kids that got shot in a cross fire, or gang wars, or any other shit where black lives are in danger or lost. And that shit happens more often than police deaths. Nope, either it deals with police/white people, or the black lives didn't really matter. So they can all go protest somewhere else and leave the politicians arguing their issues they came to argue.


When police are involved in someone's death, there is a very blatant difference in how the justice system plays out. Gang bangers are A) arrested all the time and B) no one defends their behavior. Police are A) very rarely punished for killing someone and B) many will bend over backwards to defend any police-caused death. That's the difference.
 
All Lives Matter seems like the new Not All Men.

It's worth noting that while Clinton is seizing this opportunity presently with the netroots nation ordeal, Sanders is the only democratic candidate who has been cognizant enough not to utter that phrase. Clinton caught flack for it a few months back and O'Malley said it several times (along with white lives matter... Jesus) on Saturday.
 
Oh my god I can't stand black lives matter. They only do shit if either police or white people are involved. They still ain't say shit about the two block party shootings, or about the black kids that got shot in a cross fire, or gang wars, or any other shit where black lives are in danger or lost. And that shit happens more often than police deaths. Nope, either it deals with police/white people, or the black lives didn't really matter. So they can all go protest somewhere else and leave the politicians arguing their issues they came to argue.
I would say the police problem still is a bigger factor even if they don't kill as much. For example most of the people killed in gang type violence are "in the game" and does not effect most black people.

But almost all blacks at one time deal with police. Or some other racial discrimination.

Well in a perfect world you would try to fix everything. It just about impossible to get rid of "gangbangers" until you work on the bigger racial problems.
 
It's worth noting that while Clinton is seizing this opportunity presently with the netroots nation ordeal, Sanders is the only democratic candidate who has been cognizant enough not to utter that phrase. Clinton caught flack for it a few months back and O'Malley said it several times (along with white lives matter... Jesus) on Saturday.
It's too bad the heckling crew wasn't at the church to shout down Hillary when it happened.
 
Tbh I hope black activists continue doing stuff like this. Although I wonder if Hilary and her team will make sure they don't get near her.

I know it makes people majorly uncomfortable but that's the way it's got to be. For them to be easily placated would lead to the same platitudes, promises and no action. We've seen the power the police have to commit some very foul acts and still carry on trucking. Supported by a vast swathe of the electorate.

Sucks it had to be Bernie to face their brunt but it looks like people have had enough.

Hillary will barely let the press near her.
 
This is what populist candidates (Sanders in this case) often do, force the majority leaders to adapt and speak more frankly. Every now and again they usurp the party leaders and take their place, like Obama did. More often they force their majority leads to slightly alter tune, help them get elected, and then we all get to watch them ignore their promises. This why I want Sanders to win. He'll actually act on his rhetoric. Clinton will be the epitome of status quo.

Still better than any GOP candidate, though.

If we get either I'm happy. But while I wish sanders was the nominee he is showing on this issue he won't man up and shill out like republicans have. they are lock in step see their reaction to iran or for that matter on trump in regards to mccain, democrats really need to step up and show solidarity like that.

Be happy clinton is the best corporate stooge in this country and that she is moderate democrat which is a lot more than any plutocrat loving republican or koch brother stooge like walker.
 
Good to see Clinton recognizing that the protests aren't an attack, but a cry out to be heard and acknowledged, and for action to be taken.

If Sanders were to learn anything from this, it's that a strictly economic focus will not cut it. Or other Democratic candidates for that matter. Take the protest, listen to what is said, and recognize that shit needs to be done.

Sanders strict focus on economic policy will bite him in the ass ultimately. This isn't to say that economic change is not important for the betterment of the country. No, it is absolutely essential. But one can't be so one-dimensional to assume that it is the end-all, be-all solution to the problems facing the country. It's one of many things that needs to be done, but ignoring systematic racism in America won't led to the advancement of blacks and other minorities. Clinton understands this based on her response to the protests.

If Sanders wants to improve his standing, he can't dodge the issues of racism. He discussed criminal justice reform and minority unemployment, but that is clearly not enough. All it shows is that Sanders has a fundamental misunderstanding as to racism in America. Poverty is a product of it, not the cause.
 
So Sanders got "critiqued" for not doing "enough" to address racism, despite a 50-year track record, and now those same people are applauding Hillary because one of her staffers posted on Facebook basically stating policies that Sanders has been talking about for weeks?

So is it actual change people want, or more lip service?
 
Straight from a focus group to your smartphone screen. Next, Hillary will announce that she listens to a Sister Souljah station on Spotify.

What? You think so? Seems like it was just a coincidence. She was probably sitting on that tweet for years now and not using this as an opportunity to cash in on the gaffes of her political opponents.
 
So Sanders got "critiqued" for not doing "enough" to address racism, despite a 50-year track record, and now those same people are applauding Hillary because one of her staffers posted on Facebook basically stating policies that Sanders has been talking about for weeks?

So is it actual change people want, or more lip service?

I'm getting tired of this too. Same policies yet people keep saying Bernie is strictly on economics.

Bernie on Baltimore
 
Hillary Clinton ran into a social media backlash of her own about a month ago when she said "all lives matter" at an appearance at a Church in Missouri:

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/hillary-clinton-ferguson_n_7638920.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/24/hillary-clintons-all-lives-matter-remark-stirs-backlash/


I'm glad to she took this opportunity to demonstrate that she has evolved on this particular issue.

To be fair, though, based on her website Clinton has made a point of highlighting her commitment to voting rights in a speech specifically devoted to that issue. I am not sure where she stands on other issues like mass incarceration or police brutality.

I honestly don't think there is that much difference between the two candidates substantively on the above issues. If anything, I am pretty sure Sanders would be to her left. His messaging does need to be better, though, and he didn't handle the Netroots protests well - to say the least. Then again, Clinton didn't exactly paint herself in glory during the 2008 primary. As a Sanders supporter, I will say that he did start to directly address the concerns of the protestors in his stump speeches in Phoenix, Houston, and Dallas; and, as I wrote before, he tried to reach out to them on Twitter, albeit imperfectly.


Is she a politician? Then yes. It'll take a lot more than words on twitter to make be believe she or any other politician is sincere about anything they say.

Yeah, I don't trust either Clinton for a number of reasons that I don't think I really need to go into. Really, though, I agree that all politicians need the public to push them and hold them accountable for the things they say. The older I get, the less interested I find myself becoming in politicians as individual personalities; rather, I see them as part of something more akin to a machine that is larger any one person, politicians included. Trying to influence the political process is somewhat like trying to play pinball on a machine where both paddles are broken. The most you can do is get together with other people so you can bang on the sides of the machine to rock it, and even when you "score", you still very rarely get the jackpot or exactly what you want.

Edit: Obviously Hillary Clinton just made suggestions regarding police brutality in that Facebook post. I didn't see it before I made my post.
 
People thinking that 1) Hillary runs her own social media and 2) won't just say literally ANYTHING to get elected are cute.
 
Here's her comment in full:

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Ha. Ha ha ha. Ah-ha ha haaaaahaha do none of you remember 2008? At all? When Hillary was surely going to get the nomination and there was no way in hell some Black man from Hawaii had a shot in hell of coming close to the White House?

It's not as if she wasn't bragging about getting the white vote. How she was going to "totally obliterate" Iran. It's borderline astroturfing, we've seen it before.

Everybody and their mother knows just as well that Hillary has the resources and the money to keep BLM protestors well out of arm's reach of confronting her about any of this, ropemen and all, and if you really think the AAVE-appropriating Ivy Leaguer who said "all lives matter" in a black church is a better bet for America than god, have I got a shirt to sell you.


Of course, fuck it. Let's assume Hillary just gets the nomination, even though the primaries aren't until February and crazier things have happened in a Democratic primary - and we forget how much of a sour taste she leaves in the back of the Left's mouth, the base loses the motivation to show up and vote, and we're looking at another 4-8 years of Bush presidency. At best.

There's totally criticisms to be leveled at Bernie, but you can't honestly look at the frontrunner with a straight face and act like she isn't a Republican in sheep's clothing.
 
Hillary Clinton ran into a social media backlash of her own about a month ago when she said "all lives matter" at an appearance at a Church in Missouri:

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/hillary-clinton-ferguson_n_7638920.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/24/hillary-clintons-all-lives-matter-remark-stirs-backlash/


I'm glad to she took this opportunity to demonstrate that she has evolved on this particular issue.

To be fair, though, based on her website Clinton has made a point of highlighting her commitment to voting rights in a speech specifically devoted to that issue. I am not sure where she stands on other issues like mass incarceration or police brutality.

I honestly don't think there is that much difference between the two candidates substantively on the above issues. If anything, I am pretty sure Sanders would be to her left. His messaging does need to be better, though, and he didn't handle the Netroots protests well - to say the least. Then again, Clinton didn't exactly paint herself in glory during the 2008 primary. As a Sanders supporter, I will say that he did start to directly address the concerns of the protestors in his stump speeches in Phoenix, Houston, and Dallas; and, as I wrote before, he tried to reach out to them on Twitter, albeit imperfectly.




Yeah, I don't trust either Clinton for a number of reasons that I don't think I really need to go into. Really, though, I agree that all politicians need the public to push them and hold them accountable for the things they say. The older I get, the less interested I find myself becoming in politicians as individual personalities; rather, I see them as part of something more akin to a machine that is larger any one person, politicians included. Trying to influence the political process is somewhat like trying to play pinball on a machine where both paddles are broken. The most you can do is get together with other people so you can bang on the sides of the machine to rock it, and even when you "score", you still very rarely get the jackpot or exactly what you want.

Edit: Obviously Hillary Clinton just made suggestions regarding police brutality in that Facebook post. I didn't see it before I made my post.

I think she mentioned that prison reform was a platform of hers a while back?
 
Probably after being tough on crime stopped polling well.

Really good article on the Clintons' horrific legacy of this here.

While it’s true that it was Bill who, as president, was ultimately responsible for these decision, Hillary was nonetheless a famously involved First Lady on political matters — a reputation she’s shown willingness to capitalize on in her new campaign. According to a 2013 Wall Street Journal report, Hillary has “signaled she would use the 1990s as a selling point if she jumps in the race, making the case that, as first lady, she was part of an era that found solutions to the same sorts of political difficulties that bedevil present-day Washington.” That legacy includes Bill Clinton’s “War on Drugs,” whether you like it or not.

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It goes too far to say, as some do on the left, that the Clintons consciously exploited white fears of black America to build their political fortunes. Rates of crime in the 1990s were out of control, a genuine crisis in their own right (even if they had already begun to fall), and we shouldn’t forget or dismiss fears surrounding them as simple racial animus. More to the point, the Clintons were hardly alone in creating the vast prison system.

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Clinton’s language here deserves close scrutiny: Prison rates exploded, she says, not because of the policies of her husband, and not because of the bills she supported, but because of the shortcomings of an indiscernible “we.”

The evasiveness makes you want to turn off the news until the end of the campaign season. Now that the liberal zeitgeist demands it, the Clintons — the Clintons! — are trying to reinvent themselves as humane prison reformers? The same Clintons who used “tough on crime” rhetoric to such potent effect in the 1990s?
 
Not gonna lie, I did cringe a tiny bit when I saw this but after thinking about it, I think this was a very good idea and the outcome could be very positive. First, they did this at a safe place at netroots. They know that for the most part, these people agree with what they are saying. If they did this at a place like cpac, no way in hell they get on stage. They probably get thrown out and labeled a bunch of rioters trying to destroy the conference. Second, I think its good to do this to people who agree with you most because it forces O'Malley and Sanders to say something and it also forces other candidates to get on the record about this. So now, everyone will have to make a statement about this and at least have some sort of policy suggestion when they might not have had to if they didn't do this protest.

Ultimately I think O'Malley and Sanders handled this pretty poorly but something can be learned from this. I bet Sanders will start to speak more about this movement which again is a positive sign. I know Sanders has a 50 year record but he has to remember that some folks have no idea who he is and he has to talk his record on fighting for civil rights so that they know where he is coming from. Same for O'Malley even though I don't think his record is nearly as clean as Sanders' record is and has a lot more explaining to do in my eyes.
 
lol @ comparing Sanders to Obama.

One is an absurdly charismatic once-in-a-lifetime politician. The other is the type of guy the far left side of the party suicided with repeatedly in the '70s and '80s.
 
If only the party in control of Congress played a role...

The executive branch has a lot of power and make many executive decisions. It also has a lot of influence - such as the VC presiding over the Senate, the president appointing Supreme Court justices, etc, etc, etc.
 
Ultimately I think O'Malley and Sanders handled this pretty poorly but something can be learned from this.

So you expect that a candidate can be ambushed by a yelling mob and open a dialogue with them in a "safe place"? Even while getting interrupted by the mob when they try to answer one of these ambush questions? Am I still on planet earth?
 
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