Randomizer123454444
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Jefferson did Rachel, Nathan did Kate? Different people, different methods? That, or something interrupted them.
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Jefferson did Rachel, Nathan did Kate? Different people, different methods? That, or something interrupted them.
since they have apparently kidnapped lots of girls but only Rachel was reported missing, I guess they don't usually kill they abducted victims (probably because they won't remember most of it)
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Episode 4 basically turned into The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo
However, I don't like that Max got captured by the sick fetishistic bad guy... such a cliche
The supernatural stuff just seems like a big red herring with no actual bearing on the plot. Being worried about a tornado seems so far away now
Also, if Chloe is dead proper with no chance of coming back (besides alternate history) then DONTNOD have truly become GRRM caliber storytellers
However, I don't like that Max got captured by the sick fetishistic bad guy... such a cliche
The supernatural stuff just seems like a big red herring with no actual bearing on the plot. Being worried about a tornado seems so far away now
Also, if Chloe is dead proper with no chance of coming back (besides alternate history) then DONTNOD have truly become GRRM caliber storytellers
chrominance
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Since we have pictures of Nathan with Rachel('s dead body?), he had to be at least somewhat involved. I wish I could remember when she went missing so we could see if her abduction shows up in the evidence Max and Chloe gathered, but it seems likely Nathan at least got the drugs. (Also, I was kicking myself a bit for not taking screenshots of a bunch of things this time, but especially the sheets of GPS locations--not so much for the game, but to see if they led to anything interesting in Google Maps.)
Not that we have many points of data to go on but it seems like their usual modus operandi is to drug, abduct and do fucked up stuff with the girls for one night, and then drop them off somewhere like nothing happened. Given the number of binders in the bunker, I have to imagine Rachel wasn't even close to their first, either, so it should've been business as usual. There wouldn't be time for anyone to be reported missing. I think something went wrong.
Re: Victoria: I too can't decide if that was setup or real. If it is a setup, it's pretty goddamned convenient to expect two teenagers to find your secret rape bunker and get past the multiple layers of security.
JehutyRunner
Banned
Finished the episode about 30 minutes ago. I'm an emotional wreck right now.
I didn't follow the entire thread on ep 4, so I don't know if this has been addressed yet but,
I didn't follow the entire thread on ep 4, so I don't know if this has been addressed yet but,
I didn't quite get Chloe got the tip about where Rachel's body was buried... How did she know it would be this exact spot? Was it that photo where Nathan was posing dead with her?
toastyToast
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The junkyard is her hideout. I think she just recognized the spot
benicillin
Banned
Immediately I had similar feeling as you, but I'm kind of torn on it. They've been building up to the dark room for a while but I never actually thought it was going to be a fetishistic photoshoot possible-rape(?) dungeon. Arcadia Bay seemed to comfy and sunny and pleasant for something like that, and then there was a stark tonal shift. It was supremely uncomfortable. On the other hand, that seems to be what they were aiming for, so I feel like they were totally successful in doing what they set out to accomplish and given that they've done a very good job of handling mature subject matters so far I think even with a cliche they'll do something interesting with it.
chrominance
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Yeah, it's the photo. Super fucked up.
also we're in the spoiler thread, no need to spoiler-tag episode 4 stuff here!
Ok thanks. Yeah, I'm just so sensitive about spoilers myself that it just became a reflex to spoiler-tag everything.
Muskieratboi
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Like I said in the main thread.
A Man. (Jefferson? Though Prescott Sr. fits better since he's the rich guy)
A City. (Arcadia Bay)
A Lighthouse.
Superpowers triggered by raising one's hand.
Time Travel. Alternate universes.
(The Unreal engine, even)
Life is Strange is some kinda weird sequel to Bioshock and I am gonna take this headcanon and RUN with it. XD
No, there's an undercurrent. Prescott Sr seems to be trying to groom Nathan for something that requires a Super-storm proof bunker. IMO The whole Rape Dungeon/Photostudio thing is just Nathan being a dick to his dad.
I think we're going to see Prescott Sr in ep 5.
A Man. (Jefferson? Though Prescott Sr. fits better since he's the rich guy)
A City. (Arcadia Bay)
A Lighthouse.
Superpowers triggered by raising one's hand.
Time Travel. Alternate universes.
(The Unreal engine, even)
Life is Strange is some kinda weird sequel to Bioshock and I am gonna take this headcanon and RUN with it. XD
No, there's an undercurrent. Prescott Sr seems to be trying to groom Nathan for something that requires a Super-storm proof bunker. IMO The whole Rape Dungeon/Photostudio thing is just Nathan being a dick to his dad.
I think we're going to see Prescott Sr in ep 5.
And He's going to explain that the Prescotts have been planning for the storm for generations. By bringing out a Hundred plus year old version of Max's Diary, and thus implying she goes way, WAY back and then loses it somehow.
benicillin
Banned
In one of the photos you can look at in her binder Max says she doesn't look scared at all but looks really angry and pissed off - my theory being that they either didn't drug her enough or she wasn't cooperating and Jefferson or Nathan got angry and killed her.
The GPS locations are just of Tillamook and the surrounding ghettos like Garibaldi.
toastyToast
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I'm hoping that Jefferson is just a small part of a much larger Prescott conspiracy. We don't even know what's shady about them but it has to be something . "It was the hipster teacher all along" doesn't seem like nearly enough. Next episode is gonna be crazy
I'd be fine with it just being the teacher (+ Nathan), and that the Prescotts are evil and everything but, like how Rachel ended up, the hints at something more sinister behind the scenes were red herrings. I don't know how likely that is, though, since it's all happening in the Prescott's hideout.
That scene where they're rushing to discover Rachel was touching, but I couldn't help but think, "Guys, you're going to mess up your hands digging like that."
The Smoking Bun
Banned
I think the biggest dick punch DONTNOD can do now is
Make Max some great ancestor of the Prescott's and it's her Destiny to travel back in time and warn the Prescott's of the storm that finally ends their rule.
A couple of things:
1. What do you get in place of the hospital scene if you didn't save Kate? That was a much more involved consequence than I expected they would put in.
2. Apparently I missed something really obvious and was one of the few people who didn't convince Victoria. What did you have to do? Rewind the conversation?
1. What do you get in place of the hospital scene if you didn't save Kate? That was a much more involved consequence than I expected they would put in.
2. Apparently I missed something really obvious and was one of the few people who didn't convince Victoria. What did you have to do? Rewind the conversation?
I did it on my first try. It seemed to heavily rely on past decisions culminating to that point.
toastyToast
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I think I want to slap you for just typing this lol
Rachel was the only one that wasn't drugged. There was no need to kill the others, since none of them were able to remember what happened. Rachel is the exception. If that's just because Nathan/Jefferson hated her for some reason or if it means that some were Nate's doing while other Jefferson's remains to be seen.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Nothing extra happens if Kate died. I was really hoping to attend the service at least, but on the other hand, I think it's really great that they went the extra mile to give those who saved Kate something extra, a significant chunk of content that can be completely missed otherwise.
I wonder if Stepdavid is going to return at all? He entrusted Chloe to Max with his last words to her in my run, and she failed to protect her. He took his job seriously and knew something was up, I highly doubt he'd drop his surveillance just like that. He's carrying a weapon with him, wherever he's ended up for the time being, and took his computer and some other equipment. He might be the only one who would arrive in time to help get Max out of The Dark Room while she's being injected, tortured, and photographed.
There's only a few people who are even halfway clued-in on what's going on - Warren, David and Frank. Frank can be killed off, so I doubt he'll have any further relevance from here on out except for maybe a text or two. Warren hasn't been told the full story yet, so he's operating on less than both Frank or David. I feel like this episode was DONTNOD's way to give Warren his big moment since he won't be coming to the rescue again. I'm betting David's gonna be the one to figure it all out and have his time to shine, which would provide us with another heart-wrenching scene as he discovers that Chloe is a victim now.
AlphaDragoon
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I'm also thinking David might be the one to save Max from Jefferson. I hope he empties the magazine on that bastard.
Sadly, I think it might be Chloe's fate to die. She dies initially when Nathan shoots her, then again to a gunshot from Jefferson. In addition to the fact that she's dying in the alternative timeline (and you can choose to help her die right there and then). Poor kid just can't win.
Sadly, I think it might be Chloe's fate to die. She dies initially when Nathan shoots her, then again to a gunshot from Jefferson. In addition to the fact that she's dying in the alternative timeline (and you can choose to help her die right there and then). Poor kid just can't win.
BTW, the first thing I thought when I saw the two moons was two timelines conflicting with each other. If you follow that it sort of implies that Max's power is the cause of all the environmental strangeness, but then you get into a lot of time travel paradox nonsense and I hope they aren't taking that route.
Didnt that homeless women and that creepy janitor said exactly that?
Maybe im misremembering it, but im pretty sure someone said or implied that in the game.
toastyToast
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I reckon it'll be something like the storm is an omen that manifests unless max stops her time shenanigans. Like it's the counterbalance to the logical conclusion that would be reached if Max is left to trivialize nature.
Hopefully the ending is a bit more personal than something like school blows up -> rewind and save a bunch of people and the town gets wiped out or don't save them -> town is mostly OK and no tornado. Don't want the big thing to just be time magic
Hopefully the ending is a bit more personal than something like school blows up -> rewind and save a bunch of people and the town gets wiped out or don't save them -> town is mostly OK and no tornado. Don't want the big thing to just be time magic
Littlefang
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Maybe the rumors that Rachel and Jefferson were having sex were real then? And maybe she broke it off for Frank or something and Jefferson didn't like that.
matrixman92
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I think Rachel doe will revive Chloe with some space magic or something
Littlefang
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Okay so I missed the note that was one the computer in my play through, but it looks like Jefferson and Nathan have a weird mentor/apprentice relationship going on. For anyone else who missed it:
Nathan,
I've told you to never call me using your phone, stick with the disposable ones I gave you. I don't want to hear you screaming out my name in a public place, which you have stupidly done before.
I haven't set all this up and shared my vast wisdom, just so you can fuck it up with your teen rage.
We can accomplish a lot together, but you have to let me guide you.
Or you're on your own.
Nathan,
I've told you to never call me using your phone, stick with the disposable ones I gave you. I don't want to hear you screaming out my name in a public place, which you have stupidly done before.
I haven't set all this up and shared my vast wisdom, just so you can fuck it up with your teen rage.
We can accomplish a lot together, but you have to let me guide you.
Or you're on your own.
Max might have burned the photo of her and Chloe when they were 13/14, but she still has the selfie she took Wednesday morning in episode 3 (when Chloe photobombed). It even shows up in the diary.
As long as Jefferson didn't get his hands on this photo, and that Max can get out of his clutches, she could rewind back to this moment and save Chloe.
Ghostmaster
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I still think that the doe is actually William, since it's the same doe from the snowglobe that is so important to Chloe.
I do wonder if you get to save Chloe or she remains dead, on the one hand it would fit with the whole don't mess with time, you can't change fate theme, but then again she already died 3 times and that is a bit much.
Also remember that Blue butterfly drawing in alternate reality Chloe's room, so I guess both the doe and time rewind could be gifts from some alternate reality Chloe. I mean the butterfly is blue, her hair is blue, it all makes sense now.
AWizardDidIt
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Speculation time for next episode
One thing I thought about after finishing the episode was that Warren took a selfie with Max when they got to the party and I think that's going to be used to have her go back to just before the party. Maybe after Max escapes the Dark Room the storm is ripping the town apart and it's too late to save the town so she has to get that selfie and go back to before the party to confront Jefferson earlier, perhaps at the party itself.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Alternatively Alternatively... Episode 5 ends with the apocalypse and then a jump cut to several years in the future we see a woman wearing a leather jacket and standing next to a souped up muscle car in the desert.
Then she declares
: "My name is Max. My world is fire"
Cue heavy metal music and the title MAD MAX: HIPSTER FURY... coming soon from DONTNOD
Cue heavy metal music and the title MAD MAX: HIPSTER FURY... coming soon from DONTNOD
Rachel in the Dark Room is a fantastic band name. I assume the genre would be Hardcore Trance
Ah, I read that but I thought it was from his dad. Need to pay better attention.
BTW, how much of a bitch was Brooke in this episode?
Lol. Somebody cried after being rejected
Is it possible that Chloe is destined to die and we've just been postponing it by saving her every time? I started thinking about this after the train incident, I can't believe somebody can be that accident prone and live that long.
I'd say that's what it all leads up to: Max's more and more extreme use of her powers causes shit to go haywire, and she essentially will go back to the beginning of the game (in-class selfie) and let Chloe die.
I would rather let Arcadia Bay burn a 1000 times if it meant Chloe could live
jacksepticeye
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Yes! This is what I was saying since the start, it reminded me of LOST, where the characters were destined to die no matter how many times you saved them.
She pouts, upset that Max wont grant her dying wish; says she doesn't want anythang to do with her anymore. Then Max is liek I will never leave ur side and then focuses on the picture.
Ah, OK. Although it was a shocking choice, it doesn't seem like a real choice because the outcome is still the same. Also, in the world when Max helps, she is probably in jail lol.
The space doe was at the site of Rachel's burial in episode 2, no?
I think both Rachel and William share the doe spirit animal. I think Max's too.
What I really don't understand is what Max means when she says ''Rachel has something in her mouth''. The picture is pretty dark, so I'm assuming its the white froth you get when you overdose?!
And why is Nathan underneath Rachel in the photo if she's dead?
I think both Rachel and William share the doe spirit animal. I think Max's too.
What I really don't understand is what Max means when she says ''Rachel has something in her mouth''. The picture is pretty dark, so I'm assuming its the white froth you get when you overdose?!
And why is Nathan underneath Rachel in the photo if she's dead?
The Dear Leader
Banned
I can't believe I didn't put the board back in front of the bird nest, I got a text from Joyce showing the bird nest had fallen and the eggs broke.. 
Littlefang
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I can't believe I didn't put the board back in front of the bird nest, I got a text from Joyce showing the bird nest had fallen and the eggs broke..
You are the 4%. (At least that's what is was when I finished.
)Ah, I read that but I thought it was from his dad. Need to pay better attention.
BTW, how much of a bitch was Brooke in this episode?
You were supposed to think that was from his dad initially, although the phone part didn't really make sense if it was his dad (not realizing it was Jefferson at the time). His dad had other messages about setting up and guiding Nathan in the future, but it was to be a rich asshole developer and not a serial kidnapper, rapist?, killer.
I can't believe I didn't put the board back in front of the bird nest, I got a text from Joyce showing the bird nest had fallen and the eggs broke..
Man...
This makes me think of people who seem to forget that Max's time powers can solve puzzles. I'm aware of that kind of stuff 100% of the time! When I broke into Warren's room and broke into David's locker, I made sure to rewind to make sure no evidence of that was left. I'd be doing all sorts of mess with time and space powers like Max's.
Also, it seemed there were a significant percentage of people who didn't save the trapped bird in Chloe's house when I finished.
I didn't know Frank could be killed at all until reading other impressions. Didn't have a gun when going to confront him (which Chloe endlessly gave Max shit for ever since it was taken away from her) in episode 2.