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[Troubled Bat]

Birdie is actually from SF1. So is Ryu. And Ken. TOO MANY SF1 CHARACTERS ALREADY. Everyone else that hasn't been used is woefully generic. Joe and Mike? Even if they completely redesigned them, I don't want to play as a guy named "Mike." There is Geki, but he is a generic ninja. The only possible interesting addition from that game would be Retsu, but Gen already has "old kung fu master" on lock. Eagle is cool, but if they put in a stick wielder, I want Maki.

I don't see what's wrong with the name when we have characters named:

Charlie
Cody
Alex
Dan
Rufus
Guy

Retsu would be great because he'd be in the style of Makoto.

Eagle is the best SF1 character. Reflects and hard counters for days!

 

[Dremark]

Cuz Gill = Alex according to him? XD

Yes, lol.

To be fair though, I don't think his theory is without merit though.

I don't see what's wrong with the name when we have characters named:

Charlie
Cody
Alex
Dan
Rufus
Guy

Retsu would be great because he'd be in the style of Makoto.

Eagle is the best SF1 character. Reflects and hard counters for days!

Charlie is just called Nash now and they only called him that outside Japan for consistancy with the release of SF2.

Guy should really be Gai rather than Guy.

IMO Retsu would be cool, but I'd really like to see Eagle again.

 

[Forkball]

I don't see what's wrong with the name when we have characters named:

Charlie
Cody
Alex
Dan
Rufus
Guy

Retsu would be great because he'd be in the style of Makoto.

Eagle is the best SF1 character. Reflects and hard counters for days!

Charlie: Called Nash now.
Cody: I hate this name.
Alex: A solid name in real life, but boring for a game character. Alex as a whole comes off as someone who was designed by a committee that tried to appeal to the youth.
Dan: Joke name for joke character (I like him though).
Rufus: Nobody likes Rufus.
Guy: Isn't it Gai in Japan? Baka translators messed that up.

Yes, I know there is a Joe in KoF and he's actually a lot of fun, but I don't see the point in putting a lot of effort into redesigning such an old character when there are so many others on the backburner, and you could just make a new one instead. Alpha took place before SFII, so a big gimmick was to revive the SF1 characters because the roster paled in comparison to what we have today.

If the Siliconera rumors are true (Alex, Urien, Karin, R. Mika), then we really have only one more returning character. If the layout speculation is correct (newcomers on the top in the middle, SFIV on the left, non-SFIV on the right) then we only have one returning character left from SFIV. I think it would have to be Juri. She was one of the most featured new characters in Super SFIV and is fairly beginner friendly. I enjoy playing her, so I wouldn't mind her coming back in the starting roster.

I do believe they will have some characters out pretty quickly after launch though. They might pull a Mewtwo and announce a future DLC character closer to release.

 

[ElFly]

I don't see what's wrong with the name when we have characters named:

Charlie
Cody
Alex
Dan
Rufus
Guy

Retsu would be great because he'd be in the style of Makoto.

Eagle is the best SF1 character. Reflects and hard counters for days!

Don't forget Gill, aka the ultimate being or whatevs.

The Illuminati have some serious branding issues; the guy called Urien is relegated to second place. That's a cool name! why would you choose that guy over Gill.

Who names their kid Gill anyway.

 

[ZenTzen]

Eagle, Geki & Joe please.

i just want Eagle, really wanna see what they do with his awesome theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kaNNi9ka_I

 

[Dremark]

Guy: Isn't it Gai in Japan? Baka translators messed that up.

They originally translated it as "Gay" but the US staff made them change it.

Don't forget Gill, aka the ultimate being or whatevs.

The Illuminati have some serious branding issues; the guy called Urien is relegated to second place. That's a cool name! why would you choose that guy over Gill.

Who names their kid Gill anyway.

Short for Gilbert, I guess.

 

[Lulubop]

Charlie: Called Nash now.
Cody: I hate this name.
Alex: A solid name in real life, but boring for a game character. Alex as a whole comes off as someone who was designed by a committee that tried to appeal to the youth.
Dan: Joke name for joke character (I like him though).
Rufus: Nobody likes Rufus.
Guy: Isn't it Gai in Japan? Baka translators messed that up.

Yes, I know there is a Joe in KoF and he's actually a lot of fun, but I don't see the point in putting a lot of effort into redesigning such an old character when there are so many others on the backburner, and you could just make a new one instead. Alpha took place before SFII, so a big gimmick was to revive the SF1 characters because the roster paled in comparison to what we have today.

If the Siliconera rumors are true (Alex, Urien, Karin, R. Mika), then we really have only one more returning character. If the layout speculation is correct (newcomers on the top in the middle, SFIV on the left, non-SFIV on the right) then we only have one returning character left from SFIV. I think it would have to be Juri. She was one of the most featured new characters in Super SFIV and is fairly beginner friendly. I enjoy playing her, so I wouldn't mind her coming back in the starting roster.

If you believe the Sillconera rumors than you can't believe the rest of what you posted because it wouldn't fit.

 

[Village]

They already remade joe.

Its cody.

 

[Lulubop]

Mike is probably Boxer as well. Not sure why people keep bring them up.

I would love to see some SF1 love... Gen turned out amazing

most of SF1's cast has been brought back...

 

[Stone Ocean]

Every character from SF1 that was worth anything has already been brought back.

Geki, Retsu, Mike and Joe are best let forgotten.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Mike is probably Boxer as well. Not sure why people keep bring them up

Yeah, pretty sure Mike is Mike Bison. Dunno why it wouldn't be. It'd be weird if the sequel to Street Fighter brought back Ryu, Ken, and Sagat, but meant for their black boxer character named Mike to be a completely different black boxer character named Mike.

 

[Stone Ocean]

SFV playable at Gamescom, hopefully we'll get some more Necalli gameplay

Spoiler

And a tease

 

[SUPARSTARX]

What do you think the chances are for pregnant Sakura to make a round?

 

[Producer]

SFV playable at Gamescom, hopefully we'll get some more Necalli gameplay

Spoiler

And a tease

Dat ahegao

 

[delSai]

SFV playable at Gamescom, hopefully we'll get some more Necalli gameplay

Spoiler

And a tease

That would be the perfect time to tease Juli!

 

[Mike M]

What do you think the chances are for pregnant Sakura to make a round?

Probably not until the cover some of the more common fetishes.

 

[MegamanXZero]

Probably not until the cover some of the more common fetishes.

How about pregnant and still wearing that Japanese schoolgirl outfit.

 

[Tizoc]

SFV playable at Gamescom, hopefully we'll get some more Necalli gameplay

Spoiler

And a tease

IIRC Necalli's V-Trigger when activated never goes away/depletes? You just lose your quake and guard counter right?

 

[Stone Ocean]

IIRC Necalli's V-Trigger when activated never goes away/depletes? You just lose your quake and guard counter right?

Yeah, it's a permanent power up

Pretty sure he still has his V-Skill, but Alpha Counters are donezo

 

[k4n3]

from what i understand with the original roster for SF5 they want to accomplish a few things and this is why i think juri is a must for launch

1. represent each game and parts of the world, juri is the only character from Korea she would also represent SF4 since that was her first appearance

2. they want different appearance and play styles, so far only 2 female and one evil character so another fit, as for play style shes like noone that's been announced so far also Feng Shui Engine as a super she could be the main combo character in the game

3. finally popularity everyone seems to love juri few main her due to difficultly but a few changes mostly how you use and store her fireballs and she would be fine imo

 

[Tizoc]

Yeah, it's a permanent power up

Pretty sure he still has his V-Skill, but Alpha Counters are donezo

Not a bad trade if you ask me
I do worry it might be TOO strong though that they end up rebalancing him so it depletes :V

 

[SamVimes]

But we don't even have the slightest clue of how much improved he is with his v-trigger. We don't even know how good he is without.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Not a bad trade if you ask me
I do worry it might be TOO strong though that they end up rebalancing him so it depletes :V

Nah, no need to make it deplete in order to balance it. VT Necalli is supposed to have different frame data from the normal version so they can just balance him like a separate character.

 

[ryohumar]

I'd really like to see Geki from SF1. I'd be okay with Gouken coming back too, but only if they give him a proper shoryuken.

 

[Pompadour]

Every character from SF1 that was worth anything has already been brought back.

Geki, Retsu, Mike and Joe are best let forgotten.

I can see Geki coming back and being almost completely redesigned. But I'd still rather have Ibuki and Vega.

The only SF1 character we still need is Eagle. THE SHOW MUST GO ON.

 

[Raitaro]

I can see Geki coming back and being almost completely redesigned. But I'd still rather have Ibuki and Vega.

Hmm, I think I'd actually prefer getting a redesigned Geki over Ibuki or Vega as SFV's main ninjutsu wielding character.

I've always wanted to see a more traditionally garbed, stern/serious ninja character make it to SF instead of Vega's flamboyant vanity or Ibuki's increasingly cute schoolgirl-ness. I wouldn't mind it if they simply copied Hanzo Hattori's design from Samurai Shodown actually, minus his sword of course.

That said, as long as I get any ninja type character at all, I'd be more or less happy.

 

[Captain Awesome]

It would be interesting to see Haggar in there from Final Fight.

 

[Emperor Bohe]

I've always loved Retsu's design. Give him a chance.

 

[Stone Ocean]

It would be interesting to see Haggar in there from Final Fight.

He's just a variation of Gief

 

[direct_quote]

Hmm, I think I'd actually prefer getting a redesigned Geki over Ibuki or Vega as SFV's main ninjutsu wielding character.

I've always wanted to see a more traditionally garbed, stern/serious ninja character make it to SF instead of Vega's flamboyant vanity or Ibuki's increasingly cute schoolgirl-ness. I wouldn't mind it if they simply copied Hanzo Hattori's design from Samurai Shodown actually, minus his sword of course.

That said, as long as I get any ninja type character at all, I'd be more or less happy.

Guy is the serious ninja guy. He just doesn't wear a mask.

 

[Forkball]

If you believe the Sillconera rumors than you can't believe the rest of what you posted because it wouldn't fit.

How wouldn't it fit?

Newcomers (4):
Necalli + 3 others

SFIV (6):
Ryu
Ken
Chun Li
Cammy
M. Bison
Juri

Non-SF IV (6):
Nash
Birdie
Alex
Urien
Karin
R. Mika

Sixteen characters right there.

 

[kirblar]

There's an image from Capcom that strongly suggests we're not getting more than 4 non-SF4 Vet returns.

 

[Stone Ocean]

A little colored square isn't "strongly suggesting" things

The blue part with Nash and Charlie could be "redesigned veterans" instead of just people that weren't in SF4 while the green part is veterans that kept their designs and gameplay mostly intact, for example.

 

[pizzacat]

There's an image from Capcom that strongly suggests we're not getting more than 4 non-SF4 Vet returns.

On the phone with Apple since my iPhone isn't loading the pic up

 

[Geminosity]

There's an image from Capcom that strongly suggests we're not getting more than 4 non-SF4 Vet returns.

On the phone with Apple since my iPhone isn't loading the pic up

You mean this one right?

One other interpretation that's interesting is the green could be characters from 'numbered' entries while blue is alpha (birdie's profile says he's from alpha, before anyone brings up him being in SF1 )
Or maybe they're factions? Perhaps green is anti-illuminati or even unaffiliated, blue is working for illuminati in some manner and purple is an as-yet unknown 3rd party.

 

[Karsticles]

How wouldn't it fit?

Newcomers (4):
Necalli + 3 others

SFIV (6):
Ryu
Ken
Chun Li
Cammy
M. Bison
Juri

Non-SF IV (6):
Nash
Birdie
Alex
Urien
Karin
R. Mika

Sixteen characters right there.

This is exactly what is expect. If it isn't this, I will honestly be a bit disappointed.

 

[direct_quote]

This is exactly what is expect. If it isn't this, I will honestly be a bit disappointed.

Definitely makes the most sense.. though no ninjas characters is lame, but I got Ken, bison, Nash, and Urien. Wouldn't be interested in playing any of the females on that roster unless they design Karin to be less school girlish.

 

[Geminosity]

Wouldn't be interested in playing any of the females on that roster unless they design Karin to be less school girlish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW1QY76d-40



For the love of heck, give us a leak or something already Capcom XD

 

[Raitaro]

Guy is the serious ninja guy. He just doesn't wear a mask.

True; I completely forgot about him! I would still prefer a masked ninja in dark attire with his personality over him to be honest though ;-)

How wouldn't it fit?

Newcomers (4):
Necalli + 3 others

SFIV (6):
Ryu
Ken
Chun Li
Cammy
M. Bison
Juri

Non-SF IV (6):
Nash
Birdie
Alex
Urien
Karin
R. Mika

Sixteen characters right there.

Yep, that's quite believable unless the R.Mika, Karin, Alex and Urien rumor ends up being false. To keep us occupied, maybe it would be cool if we try to predict where these characters might end up on that spectrum that Capcom showed at their Evo panel. (If someone not currently on mobile could oblige us by copying the slide directly in here, we can start properly.)

Edit: Where would these other characters end up in terms of speed vs power and simple vs technical? Would Alex be simple + powerful while Urien is technical + powerful? And would R.Mika be on the speed or powerful side? How about Juri? I'd say it would make sense if the initial roster would occupy all extremes on the spectrum to give players the biggest variety of playstyles, no? (See the two posts below as well for more on this topic.)

 

[Geminosity]

yep, that's quite believable unless the R.Mika, Karin, Alex and Urien rumor ends up being false. To keep us occupied, maybe it would be cool if we try to predict where these characters might end up on that spectrum that Capcom showed at their Evo panel. (If someone not currently on mobile could oblige us by copying the slide directly in here, we can start properly.)

Where would these other characters end up in terms of speed vs power and simple vs technical?

Do you mean this one?

Tried finding one that's actually cleanly from the front but I could only find angled off-screen ones

 

[Raitaro]

Do you mean this one?


Tried finding one that's actually cleanly from the front but I could only find angled off-screen ones

Cheers! I think that might be the only one floating around unless Capcom uploaded official versions themselves (which they haven't as far as I can tell).

Edit: looking at it again, we still need people to occupy the corners right, especially in the speed + simple, simple + power and power + technical quadrants? Maybe R.Mika would fit in the first, while Juri fits in the second or third? Or how about Karin for the second or third perhaps?

Urien and Alex would probably go in the power (lower) half at least, right? Necalli as well I assume.

 

[Geminosity]

Cheers! I think that might be the only one floating around unless Capcom uploaded official versions themselves (which they haven't as far as I can tell).

Edit: looking at it again, we still might need people for the corners, especially in the speed + simple and speed + technical quadrants. Maybe R.Mika would fit in former, while Karin fits in the latter? Or how about Juri for one of these perhaps? Urien and Alex would probably go in the powerful (lower) half at least, right? Necalli as well I assume.

Sounds about right. All I know is women aren't allowed anywhere near the bottom of the chart if their name isn't Makoto

 

[Raitaro]

Sounds about right. All I know is women aren't allowed anywhere near the bottom of the chart if their name isn't Makoto

Ah, sorry, I edited my post while you replied. Cheers for agreeing with me anyway though

 

[Geminosity]

I don't know if i'd really agree with Juri being a power type. While she can feel somewhat vicious she lacks anything on the scale of zangief's crazy grabs and she's far too mobile to ever really slide out of the speed category much. She's definitely more on the technical side than simple though as I've seen a number of players usually not able to handle the 'hold a button' mechanic without a decent amount of acclimitisation :3

 

[FinKL]

How wouldn't it fit?

Newcomers (4):
Necalli + 3 others

SFIV (6):
Ryu
Ken
Chun Li
Cammy
M. Bison
Juri

Non-SF IV (6):
Nash
Birdie
Alex
Urien
Karin
R. Mika

Sixteen characters right there.

This list doesn't conform with the spaces capcom outlined, if those blank spaces are to be believed.
Maybe they did it to throw us off, but it should be
-8 SF4 or ST characters. We know 5, missing 3
-4 "reimagined" characters. We know 2, missing 2. Mix of 3S and Alpha series?
-4 new characters. We know 1, missing 3

 

[Mike M]

Bison kind of breaks the "reimagined" grouping, though. He got about as much a makeover a Birdie, and neither are in the same league as Nash who is essentially an entirely new character wearing an older one's name and look.

Damn it, Capcom, give us a 3s character on the roster so we can solve the puzzle!

 

[enzo_gt]

SFV playable at Gamescom, hopefully we'll get some more Necalli gameplay

Spoiler

And a tease

At the Sony booth? Source?

A little colored square isn't "strongly suggesting" things

Nor anything about SFIV in particular.

 

[ElFly]

Maybe girls should eat a sandwich if they want to hang out at the bottom of that chart.

If the siliconera rumor is true, I d expect guile, Sakura, Gill, Alex and Zangief to be first in line for dlc characters.

Birdie isn't as different from his alpha incarnation as bison. He is still basically a grappler with charging attacks, but bison changed his game plan completely, and is slow now to boot.

 

[Beelzebufo]

A little colored square isn't "strongly suggesting" things

The blue part with Nash and Charlie could be "redesigned veterans" instead of just people that weren't in SF4 while the green part is veterans that kept their designs and gameplay mostly intact, for example.

Yeah, it could be that! You know, if Ken and Bison weren't in the SF4 box. lol

 

[m_shortpants]

Juri was practically made for SFV. Feng Shui Engine is pretty much already a V trigger in terms of utility. They could redo her party teleport as a V skill too. Boom, done.