We already have Cammy.
Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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That's a leotard though.
Cammy looks stupid to me, could definitely have used a major makeover.
BOOT warrior (Cody)
Naw cody is Litteral actual street fighter. Cody is more street fighter than most of the cast of street fighter.
Pants are cool things that keep your legs warm
Omnistalgic
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Fill me in on some story from 3rd strike if you don't mind?
What's the root of Bison's Psycho power? You said it's an artificial source?
Also, who's Oro and why would he train Ryu? Did Ryu master the Dark Hadou by 3rd strike and go completely down his master's path?
Plus they could have sold a shitload of DLCs of that outfit later, like they will most probably do with Ken's original one. Missed opportunity right there
She does look stupid...but I'm not going to complain if I'm completely honest lol.
Stone Ocean
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Cammy needed sleeves, not pants
I don't think they ever mentioned where Psycho Power comes from. It's created by hatred and fear or some nonsense.
Oro is some old guy and he trains Ryu because he is impressed by his abilities. Ryu goes under his tutelage because he wants to be stronger of course.
Don't think too much about it. The Street Fighter story is strangely convoluted and bizarre. Akuma is trying to become a demon or some shit, while Dudley is... looking for his car.
direct_quote
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Yah Cammy is kind of dumb. When you have western developers going more conservative with female designs, Japan has double downed on their designs. Just look at Lucky Chloe.. Anyway I hope this isn't the trend with all the female characters in SF5. That is to say I'm not entirely against fan service, but with new Cammy it's so blatant (that weird twist when she activates V-trigger lol).
That means nothing to the EMPEROR
Gouki/Akuma would wreck her shit.
By the way where can I catch up on SF lore? Canonically what was the ending for IV?
I am pretty out of my depth here but I'll give it a shot.
As far as I know it's not explicitly stated in the games where Psycho Power comes from. Although I believe in the Alpha games his power was being enhanced by a machine called the Psycho Drive. There is a comic (not necessarily canon, but could be) that essentially establishes Psycho Power as a branch of Soul Power (used by Rose), which forces one to completely eliminate the "good" elements of one's soul in exchange for strength. This is somewhat supported by the fact that Rose supposedly possesses the elements from Bison's soul that he discarded. This is totally speculation on my part, but it could stand to reason that Soul and Psycho Power are things that have to be "acquired", whereas Akuma's power, the Satsui no Hado, is something that is latent within him (along with Ryu and possibly Sakura). Whatever the reason, Akuma doesn't respect Bison's power at all and pretty much destroys him. If Bison couldn't move his consciousness into a new body, he wouldn't even be alive for SF4.
As for Oro, he sees Ryu as a potential successor to his art. I am now speculating based on something I read in the wiki like 5 minutes ago, but it seems like Oro feels the path to martial arts mastery is through peace and not through murderous intent. This is something Ryu pursues relentlessly to understand, in part because it's what his master Gouken taught him, and also because Ryu is often tempted to succumb to the Satsui no Hado.
I guess an "ending" could be that Seth and SIN were taken down by I think Juri and Bison (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Kind of hard to pin point a canonical end since the story is mostly just individual character journeys.
Geminosity
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Pretty much. If you add Ingrid's arc in then psycho power isn't actually the art's real name but simply what Bison himself called it. Only Ingrid knows it's true name and she is the true/original wielder of the power.
Bison discovered an artifact that once belonged to Ingrid which he used to power a device called the 'psycho drive'. When he had the psycho drive he was even more powerful as it acted as a conduit to which all psychic energy would be drawn, from which he could draw almost limitless psycho power and even regenerate himself with... at least until Ingrid took the artifact at it's core back
It's also not clear if the artifact was the key that unlocked psycho power for bison originally or if he'd learned it before and discovered the artifact afterwards.
Thing is, the Ingrid arc isn't really mentioned much at all so many consider it not canon.
SolidSnakex
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Cammy's design is nearly identical to her past designs. So how exactly are they doubling down? Her design is the same just like basically every other design unveiled in SFV so far. Ken has the biggest change in terms of design, and that's just him putting his top down and wearing a compression shirt.
Geminosity
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Not super worthy of mention but fun to note: Lookee what someone on the Capcom-Unity boards found hidden in the background of one of the SF x Tekken stages...
I seriously doubt SFxT is a good source to look at for returning character hints but it amused me all the same
ScraftyDevil
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Are we sure that that isn't fanmade? Haggar looks almost identical to his MvC3 art, minus the buckle on his belt-sash-thing:
Geminosity
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It's been verified by several people, including someone who checked the texture files and there's a bunch more screenies of it from different players who went hunting for it. It's off-stage so you have to do stuff like ultras that swing the camera if you want to see it without modding tools (it's just to the left of Ken's foot here)
Also the Mika picture is made from the figure you can buy and as you mentioned the Haggar is just the MvC3 art. I'm guessing they were lazy because it's just a background easter egg most players would never even see
ScraftyDevil
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Wow that is kinda next-level lazy even considering it's not something that's easy to see. They made new art for the Alex billboard, didn't they?
Karsticles
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I feel the opposite way. I am glad there are still companies willing to risk making beautiful female characters.
Geminosity
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Not sure on the Alex one, but i'm not too familiar with Alex's artwork ^.^;
Looks like news is spreading though on the Haggar + Mika finding: http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/...4-cody-maki-and-guy-spotted-street-fighter-5/
SolidSnakex
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They also posted this from SFV
We already knew about Haggar and Guy, but this is the first time we've seen Maki and Cody.
direct_quote
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You can make a beautiful female character without having T&A pandering plastered all over the place.
sixteen-bit
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They also posted this from SFV
We already knew about Haggar and Guy, but this is the first time we've seen Maki and Cody.
Maki plssss
direct_quote
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That's an interesting finding, but that is from a 4 year old game and I doubt they were planning SF5 back then. The pic from SF5 with Maki, Guy, Cody, and Haggar is old news too,but I don't think it means too much. Maybe that one of this will be in SF5?
I was checking out Maki in SvC2 and instead of run slides/kicks, she does run grabs... Was she the template for El Feurte?
Different strokes for different folks?
The SF series has been pretty good at equal opportunity "pandering" as their females tend to vary the entire scale.
DOA tech aside, Chun Li is pretty classy for example. As is Rose. Makoto filled the Tomboy quota.
The thing that bugs me the most about this topic is that the side often so against it always say they want equality...which is great and amazing but their equality often doesn't come from adding something new but rather changing the existing (in this example Cammy) which in the end pisses off and alienates the fans who liked her current design (potentially)
Also I wish we would stop treating design we simply don't like as some affront to human decency. Its like not liking a design (for good reasons might I add...I respect them) isn't enough unless you passive aggressively shut down anyone who does as some monster in the making.
If you think that's a risk you are nuts
This
If you all get that pissed off by cammy wearing pants, odds are you never liked cammy in the first place.
Tizoc
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I doubt they planned El Fuerte 7 years before SF4
I think he means when creating el fuerte they looked at her as a basis for his play style.
Tizoc
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Except that Guy had the run mechanic too.
On the one hand I get what you mean, but on the other I find that Fuerte's run mechanic was just part of the character's theme
NipplesAndToes23
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They also posted this from SFV
We already knew about Haggar and Guy, but this is the first time we've seen Maki and Cody.
Maki's an ole fuckgirl. If she's in the game the only purposes she'll serve me are being a training dummy and at the bottom of Chun-Li's heel.
Emperor Bohe
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Akuma probably gave up. I mean, I would give up after trying to convince someone for like 10 years haha
People got pissed that Ken put his hair up and let the top of his gi hang...
The hardcore base is pretty hardcore over small things
From what I understand, by 3rd strike, ryu had gotten past all the dark hado stuff. Its why he wasn't the " main " guy anymore. I guess with his Darkside suppressed, he held no interest in akuma and Bison.
They'll live.
Again, not agaist character design critique, but this is a lot less severe than say nudante. Ken got a bun and put on a different shirt and in the hypothetical cammy put on pants, they would be fine.
They could've been in very early planning stages. This guy does some backtracking based on the kid robot figures and estimates mid 2012 as the point in time where the final roster was set.
edit: The Alex part of that video is also pretty interesting.
Emperor Bohe
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in canonical timeline order...
Street Fighter 1: Ryu enters a World Warrior tournament that is organized by Sagat and Adon. Ryu makes it to grand finals against Sagat. Initially Sagat beats Ryu, and goes to Ryu to help him up. Ryu was super salty and gave in to the Satsui no Hadou (a dark unleashed version of his fighting style) and scarred Sagat. Now Sagat is angry/pissed off about the unfair win. Meanwhile, Ken enters some random U.S. martial arts tournament. They come home to Gouken in a coma after losing a fight to his brother, Akuma (aka Gouki),
Street Fighter Alpha 2: Not a tournament, everyone is doing their own thing. Ryu is concerned about the Satsui no Hadou. Akuma (a very strong HUMAN, not a demon) has mastered the Satsui no Hadou and wants to Ryu to accept it's nature to reach his full potential. Ryu refuses, Akuma keeps trying. Meanwhile, Shadaloo shadiness starts brewing in the background (led by M. Bison with Balrog & Vega as his right hand men) and Sagat joins out of anger to help Bison capture Ryu. Birdie (from SF1) is also randomly recruited. Bison creates the dolls to serve under him as assassins (most notable Cammy, Juni, Juli & Decapre).
Street Fighter Alpha 3: Not a tournament, everyone is doing their own thing. Shadaloo goes nuts. Bison wants to take over the world and fuck up everyone's lives. Chun-Li is sent by Interpol to stop him (Bison killed her dad, so it's personal). Guile & Nash (aka Charlie) are also sent to stop Bison. Bison kills Nash, but Bison is also killed (unfortunately, Bison is able to switch bodies due to his psycho power). The dolls are able to break free from Bison's supression and go their own paths. Sagat & Birdie realize that Shadaloo is a dirty and evil organization and they both leave. Sagat also forgives Ryu in the end (in hopes that he and Ryu could have a fair fight someday). Ryu does his own thing and does not really have much to do with the main plot starting at this point and going forward.
Super Street Fighter II Turbo: Bison decides to organize a second World Warrior tournament.Chun Li, Guile & Cammy join to try to finally take down Shadaloo (Bison, Sagat & Vega) due to their own personal vendattas. Akuma is sick of Bison's petty shit and assassinates him. Akuma did not respect Bison relying on his unnatural psycho power and his overall evil doings. Bison once again survives and switches to another body.
Ultra Street Fighter IV: Bison creates a spinoff organization named S.I.N. and creates a bunch of clones that have learned the moves of many of the greatest fighters around the world. He appoints Seth as the CEO of S.I.N.. Seth organizes a third World Warrior tournament. One of the clones broke free, and became a man named Abel. Abel does not recall much from his past, but he decides to find out more. At some point in his past, he was helped out by Nash. Chun Li, Guile & Cammy once again enter for revenge. Gouken reappears for some reason.
Street Fighter III 2nd Impact: Gill (the leader of the Illuminati) organizes a fourth World Warrior tournament. His brother, Urien, is having a power struggle with Gill within the Illuminati and wants to take over. Urien is also conducting freakish experiments, resulting in Necro (and later Twelve). Gill defeats some dude named Tom (but he doesn't kill him, mind you), and the story focuses on Alex trying to get revenge for that. Gill also decides to repo Dudley's car for some reason. Gill throws the tournament to Alex (COLLUSION). To be honest it just seems like Gill likes trolling everyone, but is nowhere near as villainous as Bison or even Urien. Ken also trains a pupil named Sean, and sends him to challenge Ryu to a fight to prove his strength. Instead, Sean finds Akuma and thinks that he is Ryu. The results of the altercatoin unknown, but Akuma probably just walked away and deemed Sean unworthy (Sean appears to be totally fine in 3rd Strike). Oro also offers to train Ryu.
Street Fighter III 3rd Strike: Not a tournament, everyone is doing their own thing. Not much of a story here... Chun Li returns to look for her kidnapped orphan. Otherwise, not much happening here.
*we have yet to see where Street Fighter V takes place in the timeline. It is most likely either before Street Fighter III or after Street Fighter III.
** SFA2 retcons/overwrites the story of SFA1. SSFIIT retcons/overwrites the story of all of the previous SFII games. USF4 retcons/overwrites the story of all of the previous SFIV games.
at the end of the day, the story doesn't really matter in this game. they have non-canon characters (Evil Ryu and Oni for example) and make retcons all of the time.
ShinMaruku
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She also tries to calm down Evil RYu because he reminds her of Akuma and is even more terrifying.
Karsticles
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One thing I don't get: Why is it so hard for Sagat to get a rematch against Ryu? Ryu literally does nothing but wander around all day long. It should be easy to put together.
Basically, some guys want an Aeris, and others want a Tifa. Maybe you like Aeris girls more, and find something offensive about the Tifas, and that's fine. Why go out of your way to be frustrated about the Tifas, though?
Or, said differently, there are the Palutena and Robin lovers (*wink wink*), and then there are the guys that like Zero Suit Samus. A variety of approaches to beauty are appreciable. I imagine you like Chun-li more than Cammy, but like Rose more than both. Any chance I'm right? :-D
It's a kind of risk. You might get called a 13-year-old boy despite being an accomplished adult artist, for example.
Sure, but in general, showing skin is more appealing to the eyes than not showing skin. Unless the character is design to appeal to men that get off on shy girls or classy women. Then more clothing is just accentuating a different kind of sexual appeal.
Basically, some guys want an Aeris, and others want a Tifa. Maybe you like Aeris girls more, and find something offensive about the Tifas, and that's fine. Why go out of your way to be frustrated about the Tifas, though?
Or, said differently, there are the Palutena and Robin lovers (*wink wink*), and then there are the guys that like Zero Suit Samus. A variety of approaches to beauty are appreciable. I imagine you like Chun-li more than Cammy, but like Rose more than both. Any chance I'm right? :-D
so it's fine when you get your way at the expense of someone else being unhappy? If they can live with a small change...then why can't you live with Cammy being designed like she is?
and look I don't care if Cammy wore a a full body suit made of curtains (partially due to not playing her), I just feel that there is this weird hypocrisy that comes with this topic and a better solution would be to add rather than change that way both parties are happy.
that isn't going to effect their sales. Which is the bottom line
Karsticles
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Is there a way this could not be true? ;-)
Also, how can't it be after 3S? Nash is all messed up, but he's fine in 3S. It seems unlikely that Nash started as a zombie but got cured.
I never said otherwise.
They also posted this from SFV
We already knew about Haggar and Guy, but this is the first time we've seen Maki and Cody.
I wish we could get Cody in his Final Fight attire and no handcuffs.
Bingo.
Because Cammy's design makes them feel funny and they don't want to admit. A strong woman in a leotard is fighting men. The horror! Also, Balrog is probably going to be in either at launch or after. You can't have an in-game currency called "Fight Money" and not have the character that the name is even referencing in the first place. We all know that's Balrog's catchphrase, hence Balrog should be in especially over Dudley. #kappa
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