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So, Drake is being accused of using ghost writers. Fuckery inside.

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depends on your definition. Some people take "pop" to mean soft, whereas others seem to use it to describe something that has crossed over and has mainstream appeal. Using that definition I'd definitely say Pac and Biggie were pop.

nothing about their music was mainstream or pop culture till after both passed away. they were relegated to black only music award shows and media . nothing about them resonated as pop music . Drake is literally making pop music that'll compete on the charts with a Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus track and he's also marketed himself as a pop artist more so than a rapper . he's the male version of Nicki Minaj simple as that. he has crossover and certain tracks that lean him towards hiphop but his overall portfolio makes him a pop artist with aspects of a hiphop artist. if you want further proof just look at his concerts and the demographics and how he presents himself, none of it is very hiphop . hes what artists like Kid Ink and BoB strive to be, they use rap as their edge as a pop artist.
 

Darkman M

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I'm the biggest pac fan, but All Eyes on me definitely appealed to a more broad market then quote on quote black hiphop people.
 

Fjordson

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So much crazy talk in here. Before Biggie died he had a Grammy nomination and Ready to Die was platinum. How was he not mainstream lol.


1st super bumpable diss track since takeover. This shit can actually work in clubs. And it is.

That ether that will be in meek's soul when he's at the stripclub and 'back to back' plays. good lord...
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tmdorsey

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nothing about their music was mainstream or pop culture till after both passed away. they were relegated to black only music award shows and media . nothing about them resonated as pop music . Drake is literally making pop music that'll compete on the charts with a Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus track and he's also marketed himself as a pop artist more so than a rapper . he's the male version of Nicki Minaj simple as that. he has crossover and certain tracks that lean him towards hiphop but his overall portfolio makes him a pop artist with aspects of a hiphop artist. if you want further proof just look at his concerts and the demographics and how he presents himself, none of it is very hiphop . hes what artists like Kid Ink and BoB strive to be, they use rap as their edge as a pop artist.


If you are 24, you were less than 10 years old when they were making music how would you know anything about how mainstream or popular their music was?
 

Rembrandt

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nothing about their music was mainstream or pop culture till after both passed away. they were relegated to black only music award shows and media . nothing about them resonated as pop music . Drake is literally making pop music that'll compete on the charts with a Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus track and he's also marketed himself as a pop artist more so than a rapper . he's the male version of Nicki Minaj simple as that. he has crossover and certain tracks that lean him towards hiphop but his overall portfolio makes him a pop artist with aspects of a hiphop artist. if you want further proof just look at his concerts and the demographics and how he presents himself, none of it is very hiphop . hes what artists like Kid Ink and BoB strive to be, they use rap as their edge as a pop artist.

Lmao. What a stretch. Drake isn't a pop artist. While he may have songs that have legit crossover appeal, his rap songs and 98% of his r&b songs are in the hip-hop range. Is Kanye a pop artist with his audiences at shows being white?
 
If you are 24, you were less than 10 years old when they were making music how would you know anything about how mainstream or popular their music was?

your right I have no understanding or concept of things that came before me. how silly of me to think I had resources to fill me in on what missed. I'm wasteman for sure.

Lmao. What a stretch. Drake isn't a pop artist. While he may have songs that have legit crossover appeal, his rap songs and 98% of his r&b songs are in the hip-hop range. Is Kanye a pop artist with his audiences at shows being white?

your misunderstanding my point about demographics so you clearly have your mind made up on that idea. and yes, everything about kanyes portfolio indicates he's a pop artist.
 

Rembrandt

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your misunderstanding my point about demographics so you clearly have your mind made up on that idea. and yes, everything about kanyes portfolio indicates he's a pop artist.

Explain your point about demographics some more. Most hip-hop artists have a diverse demographic. Look at Flocka. He been doing EDM shows and shit in Europe, but he's not a pop artist and lol, nah, Kanye isn't a pop artist even with having Graduation on his record. Yeezus is essentially antipop.
 
Explain your point about demographics some more. Most hip-hop artists have a diverse demographic. Look at Flocka. He been doing EDM shows and shit in Europe, but he's not a pop artist and lol, nah, Kanye isn't a pop artist even with having Graduation on his record. Yeezus is essentially antipop.

was just at Wacka Flocka show at altar bar in Pittsburgh a week ago, fun show but disappointing most of what he performed was his more EDM oriented songs . still fun though. my demographics point was that you can gauge an artists appeal by the crowd they attract . if you took a Rihanna concert and looked at the crowd I'm not so sure it'd look too different from a Drake crowd at his concert. their music also has the same flair, they use a genre to differentiate themselves and give them self crossover appeal. where as I'm from /live in Chicago and have been to many artists shows like a Chief Keef or more obscure artists like Qwel and their crowds do not resemble anything like a Drake or Rihanna crowd. I'm not saying you judge an artist solely on the crowd they draw but it says a lot. I was just at Steez Day in NYC in July and the Flatbush Zombies, Joey Bada$$ and Pro ear crew were performing . It was a show that had all races, ages and genders but it still looks nothing like a Drake or Rihanna crowd. And I disagree all day with you on Kanye , nothing about his discography indicates has anything but a pop artist. People in this thread want to say every artist who has a hit or multiple hit songs that make it to the mainstream are pop but that's asinine, all artists want their music to resonate with a lot of people but that doesn't make them pop just because they do have songs that'll resonate. Drake has done nothing but focus in on creating pop music that has roots in hiphop just like Beyoncé makes pop music with roots in a RnB. that's my point agree or disagree but I don't see how anyone could think of these artists as anything else than pop .
 

Kyzer

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I think pop is extremely formulaic commercial music produced with the intention of getting a lot of spins and the only thing that would take Drake from hip hop and put him in pop would be if he really had a ghostwriter for huge portions of work
 

Rembrandt

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was just at Wacka Flocka show at altar bar in Pittsburgh a week ago, fun show but disappointing most of what he performed was his more EDM oriented songs . still fun though. my demographics point was that you can gauge an artists appeal by the crowd they attract . if you took a Rihanna concert and looked at the crowd I'm not so sure it'd look too different from a Drake crowd at his concert. there music also has the same flair, they use a genre to differentiate themselves and give them self crossover appeal. where as I'm from /live in Chicago and have been to many artists shows like a Chief Keef or more obscure artists like Qwel and their crowds do not resemble anything like a Drake or Rihanna crowd. I'm not saying you judge an artist silly on the crowd they draw but it says a lot. I was just at Steez Day in NYC in July and the Flatbush Zombies, Joey Bada$$ and Pro ear crew were performing . It was a show that had all races, ages and genders but it still looks nothing like a Drake or Rihanna crowd. And I disagree all day with you on Kanye , nothing about his discography indicates has anything but a pop artist. People in this thread want to say every artist who has a hit or multiple hit songs that make it to the mainstream are pop but that's asinine, all artists want their music to resonate with a lot of people but that doesn't make them pop just because they do have songs that'll resonate. Drake has done nothing but focus in on creating pop music that has roots in hiphop just like Beyoncé makes pop music with roots in a RnB. that's my point agree or disagree but I don't see how anyone could think of these artists as anything else than pop .

but that's because of the everchanging state of hip-hop and how the general populace have turned to accept it more and more. sure, that chief keef concert in chicago (come on, i'm sure you know why that didn't look like a drake concert) didn't look like a drake concert, but you would be fooling yourself if you didn't think they had an overlap in fans. hell, fredo fucks with gambino and he's more "pop" than Kanye or Drake. it's not like if keef, gucci, or any trap/drill rapper performed at pitchfork/lolla/sxsw, their audience wouldn't resemble a drake concert, even if it was slightly. also badass is a notable backpack rapper and i can definitely believe their concerts wouldn't look the same.

i wouldn't automatically call a person with mainstream appeal a pop star or say they're making pop music. when i hear pop, i think of katy perry, taylor swift and shit like that. and probably because drake's singing songs are more r&b aligned (minus some shit on thank me later) and he's recently only been dropping straight rap songs besides hotline bling (which isn't a pop song either). would you consider future a pop star?

also yeezus by itself shows kanye isn't a pop artist. hell, everything but graduation does really.
 
Ill take it even further.

I think Drake is the new Tupac. In terms of standom and lalalala, I don't care!

Ironic since he mentioned someone had a painting that said more Pac, less Drake that made him smile.

Edit: I take that back. I had a teacher in high school talking about Tupac was killed because he was an evolutionary, and Drake doesn't have that much love.

But the amount of dick sucking from fans is amazing.

With Kendrick I understand, but drake? Nah.
 

Don Julio

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This whole beef is whack to me and I'm a fan of both meek mil & drake. Both are dropping sub-par disses. This is just a distraction to make us stop listening to DS2 and makes us forget about frank's album
 

Jaeger

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Flo-rida is pop. Drake is hip-hop. He makes tracks that have mass appeal. I wouldn't call him a pop artist because he makes good music.
 
Flo-rida is pop. Drake is hip-hop. He makes tracks that have mass appeal. I wouldn't call him a pop artist because he makes good music.

Drake is definitely pop. There is no question.

I know what you mean. You're talking about how Pit Bull started off and how he ended up.

Drake is still a pop artist. He's hiphop too.
 

Azih

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Thing is you can't really compare dis tracks from today to the gansta era. It's just a different time. It's not going to be violent now. It's too mainstream to go into homophobic or misogynist territory. So it's not going to have the same kind of rough, vicious edge that Ether or Hit 'em up had.

Also. The most terrifying thing about Drake is that he's likeable and makes friends everwhere. What would possess you to go after someone who has Lebron James on speed dial? Probably has people in every city in North America who would go out of their way for him?

Drake has weaponized acting Canadian.
 

reKon

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when bitches start twerking to a song dissing you... there's not much more of a lower point for you career wise...
 

DietRob

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depends on your definition. Some people take "pop" to mean soft, whereas others seem to use it to describe something that has crossed over and has mainstream appeal. Using that definition I'd definitely say Pac and Biggie were pop.

By this definition I agree. Not by my definition.
 
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