Mafia 3 Reveal Trailer (Hangar 13/Take-Two, 2016, PC/PS4/XB1)

Was expecting a typical Italian Mafiaso type of character and game. At first glance I was disappointed but, now the more I watch these videos and get a sense of the setting and vibes, I think this is an awesome new direction the developers are taking. I love the music during this period. Was a very dark time for the U.S. and has not really been explored in gaming outside of war games. For the era and location, playing as a black lead character will be very, very interesting and can provide great story telling. I honestly can say I am more interested now than I was before.
 
I can't believe in 2015, we've got the "I can't relate" spiel going on non ironically. Apparently, "nowadays" Mafia is a term for organized crime when non-Italian groups have been called "mafia" for ages.

As far as the look of the game, I don't know. It looks so dated? I'm not sure how to describe it, but although I like the characters, I doubt I'll be picking it up at release.
 
Every Mafia game? Yes.

And if you have new ideas dump it in a new IP.

Your view point is stuck in the past and boring. We've had two Mafia games about the Italian Mafia as the main player focus and I applaud 2K for trying something new with this franchise and the Mafia as a whole. This is exactly what I wanted from Mafia 3, new characters, new locations, new stories, new mafia.
 
A gluttony? I can count them on one hand, good ones with one finger.

A gluttony in comparison to other non-Godfather/Goodfellas/Italian mob kind of games. The vast, vast majority of games dealing with modern organized crime relies on the same trope of Italian mobsters inspired by Godfather and Goodfellas. Stuff like Mafia, Constructor, the Godfather games, most of the entries in the GTA series, Omerta, Scarface, etc.
 
Yeah, but that's so cliche. The guy who starts with good intentions and is cautious and conflicted about letting go of his humanity, eventually becomes ruthless and more comfortable with violence as he becomes more poweful? That's been done so many times

I understand that, I guess I just need to know more about his story arc, because if I wanted sociopath killing machines with little to no redeeming qualities I could play any number of shooters.

I hope there's more to this guy than revenge/killing is all I'm saying. I trust Illusion Softworks or whatever they go by now, but that trailer didn't really sell me.
 
Every Mafia game? Yes.

And if you have new ideas dump it in a new IP.

As other have pointed out, Mafia has a broader connotation.

Even beyond that:

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The main protagonist is definitely a black guy (as seen in gameplay footage) and according to the cinematic trailer, apparently the Italian Mafia murdered his family and he's on a quest for revenge now to take down the Italian Mafia. I'm pretty sure I'm as close as can be.

They still feature heavily in the game.

But hey, not for you. We get it.
 
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The main protagonist is definitely a black guy (as seen in gameplay footage) and according to the cinematic trailer, apparently the Italian Mafia murdered his family and he's on a quest for revenge now to take down the Italian Mafia. I'm pretty sure I'm as close as can be.

There must have been a printing error on every copy I've ever seen, because I'm pretty sure the name of the series isn't "Italian Mafia." Black people developing criminal undercurrents can be explored in conventional and historically-grounded ways beyond "look this dude just stole cigarettes from a gas station even though he could have just bought them, must be something wrong with the culture." Granted, that doesn't mean ignorant folk are going to be happy about it because they'd rather just view people of color as a spooky scary card-carrying villain monolith, but more stuff like this is bound to happen. Whether or not you're cool with it is your call.
 
Was hyped but a bit disappointed, still glad we are getting a Mafia III!

Is that really Vito in the reveal trailer? He would be 44 years old and the guy in the trailer looks more like in his early 50's.malso I really don't like that they are going with more arcadey gameplay and not realistic gameplay both older Mafias had.
 
mafia is still the prominent theme of the game. this seems like a fresh change of pace.
I'm not feeling the "fresh" change. Mafia has 2 games, of which the second I don't even dare to talk about in the. Same sentence as the original. There's hardly any fatigue and thus adding something "fresh" will likely hurt this than not. It's not a surprise quite some people are disappointed and it hardly has anything to do with the visuals.

"Mafia" has a broader definition than "Italian Mafia". The series is progressing from a specific Mafia to mafias in general.
I'm aware of that and I don't like it.

Your view point is stuck in the past and boring. We've had two Mafia games about the Italian Mafia as the main player focus and I applaud 2K for trying something new with this franchise and the Mafia as a whole. This is exactly what I wanted from Mafia 3, new characters, new locations, new stories, new mafia.
So in fact you wanted a new IP?

That line of thinking will cause the series to become stagnant. Surely you see this?
I can definitely see this, which is why I wouldn't want it annualised or anything, four or five games tops, maybe even a trilogy, and then let it rest for quite some time before rebooting it.
 
After seeing this multiple times, it doesn't look like a mafia game at all. Too arcadey and clear influence of GTA. Other than the setting, gameplay itself is a big NO imo.
 
Damn, you would think that most would be excited by such a refreshing change of pace and a more diverse cast of characters. I'll take this any day over another typical Italian mob in a jazzy New York sort of setting. Down in the Bayou with the turmoil of the 60's and some good old classic rock? Yes please.
 
A gluttony in comparison to other non-Godfather/Goodfellas/Italian mob kind of games. The vast, vast majority of games dealing with modern organized crime relies on the same trope of Italian mobsters inspired by Godfather and Goodfellas. Stuff like Mafia, Constructor, the Godfather games, most of the entries in the GTA series, Omerta, Scarface, etc.
When you say Constructor, do you mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mob_Rule
It's a 15 year old game, and the page says it wasn't very good... if you have to resort to that, this gluttony of yours seems like a rather shaky argument.
 
Good on them for broaching something new. Cool how now the italian mob seems to be the bad guys rather than the dumb fantasy self insert they were before, ignoring all the terrible and racist shit they were doing for many years.

Honestly more excited for the legions of 'I can't relate!' responses to this than the actual game.
 
No. YOU clearly want this to be a new IP, I wanted Mafia 3 to break away from the main player focus and alliegance being the heavily used Italian Mafia and Mafia 3 has done that.

I want this to be a new IP because I want it to be more of the same? How is that even possible?
 
Gameplay looks a little generic and janky, but I love that setting and era. And I'm very interested in seeing how the Vietnam War and racism aspects tie into the world/story/characters.
 
I for one wanted italians, might sound bad but for me the mafia is the Godfather or if in Asia the Triads. Even Mafia 2 annoyed me a bit because we played at the edge of the family affairs instead of being part of it for most of the game.

When I play a criminal I want it to be something like the Godfather or A Bronx Tale. Not that interested in playing a character involved in street gangs.
 
For those that have quoted me I never said I had any issues with the setting, my main issue is you're not playing as an Italian American and from looking at the gameplay a lot of the "feel" is gone as well. I'm not a fan of the jazzy era that New Orleans is apparently famous for, I'd love another "old school" New York around the same era as the first one. And for those comparing it to GTA, that's completely different. Crime isn't something reserved for a fixed set of nationalities, so they can be white, black, or any other colour. But I, and I'm sure a lot of others as well, associate the world Mafia with the "original" Italian/Sicilian Mafia. Sure, nowadays Mafia is just a term of organised crime regardless of nationality, but I don't think that's how this series began.
Basically, because you've been fed one thing your whole life, you don't want to try anything different. You associating mafia with one thing doesn't mean that they need to keep doing that same thing over and over and over again.
 
I for one wanted Italians, might sound bad but for me the mafia is the Godfather or if in Asia the Triads. Even Mafia 2 annoyed me a bit because we played at the edge of the family affairs instead of being part of it for most of the game.

When I play a criminal I want it to be something like the Godfather or A Bronx Tale. Not that interested in playing a character involved in street gangs.

I don't even ......
 
God damn that's looking good. Screenshots look gorgeous, and I'm down for another gritty crime game.

That "Now you know what I'm willing to do for my family, what are you willing to do for yours" line was pretty cringy though.
 
There must have been a printing error on every copy I've ever seen, because I'm pretty sure the name of the series isn't "Italian Mafia." Black people developing criminal undercurrents can be explored in conventional and historically-grounded ways beyond "look this dude just stole cigarettes from a gas station even though he could have just bought them, must be something wrong with the culture." Granted, that doesn't mean ignorant folk are going to be happy about it because they'd rather just view people of color as a spooky scary card-carrying villain monolith, but more stuff like this is bound to happen. Whether or not you're cool with it is your call.

As other have pointed out, Mafia has a broader connotation.

Even beyond that:



They still feature heavily in the game.

But hey, not for you. We get it.

" Hey, let's make The Godfather 4 a romantic comedy about an ageing man who is a young teenager's godfather and they all go on silly adventures, because, you know, the word "godfather" means the same thing here as well "

I couldn't come up with a more silly comparison, but it's basically the same thing.
 
I want this to be a new IP because I want it to be more of the same? How is that even possible?

No, that's not even close to what I was talking about. You said that any new ideas should be dumped into a new IP. This game has plenty of new ideas so, going by what you said, you would rather this game was not a Mafia game and instead Mafia 3 should be the same stuff every game about the mafia has been about before.
 
I for one wanted italians, might sound bad but for me the mafia is the Godfather or if in Asia the Triads. Even Mafia 2 annoyed me a bit because we played at the edge of the family affairs instead of being part of it for most of the game.

When I play a criminal I want it to be something like the Godfather or A Bronx Tale. Not that interested in playing a character involved in street gangs.
You might as well just say you want your criminals to be white men in suits and be done with it.

" Hey, let's make The Godfather 4 a romantic comedy about an ageing man who is a young teenager's godfather and they all go on silly adventures, because, you know, the word "godfather" means the same thing here as well "

I couldn't come up with a more silly comparison, but it's basically the same thing.
...No, it isn't the same thing. Wtf?
 
" Hey, let's make The Godfather 4 a romantic comedy about an ageing man who is a young teenager's godfather and they all go on silly adventures, because, you know, the word "godfather" means the same thing here as well "

I couldn't come up with a more silly comparison, but it's basically the same thing.

It is nowhere near the same thing. You're just being ridiculous now so I'm just going to leave this paticular topic.
 
Basically, because you've been fed one thing your whole life, you don't want to try anything different. You associating mafia with one thing doesn't mean that they need to keep doing that same thing over and over and over again.
No, I'm well aware of the different kinds of organised crimes they're calling Mafia now, but none of them are remotely as interesting and captivating as the Italian/Sicilian kind to me, which is why this reveal has been extremely disappointing.
 
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