Rock Band 4 announced for PS4 and Xbox One
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sik witted
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right there with you. BITTER and getting SALTY
I am actually stoked to see Dead Sara on there. Love that band.
FlashFlooder
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Oh wow so the ION currently will not work??? Oh wow now idk if I want.
Oh crap, I didn't see your other reply to me. That's awesome that they are still considering it since it seemed like it was just a straightforward "no" when I first read about it.
PM me when they add IONS support so i can buy and play.
Everyone wanting ION support (not just those quoted), I suggest you look at their Official FAQ in relations to the matter:
They are working on a solution, but it sounds like they need the help from ION Audio on the matter. So while you wait for an announcement of ION support, go voice your complaints/opinions on the matter with ION Audio (http://www.ionaudio.com/support/) so that hopefully something comes of it! I don't use IONs myself, but I'm going to go let their support know now that I would love to see ION support in Rock Band 4.
Baron von Loathsome
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What would you call it then?
Lol, wow. You are WAY over simplifying this. Like others said, it would require unprecedented cooperation/coordination/work from both Sony and MS to make this happen. So in other words, not happening.
Wired All Wrong
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I asked them about IONs after that FAQ went up and this is what ION Audio wrote back
Not much there, but hopefully they get enough emails to take notice and make them compatible or at least make a new drum brain or something.
TheFurizzlyBear
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I imagine if they get wired working then that will work as well.MIDI pro adapter is my gig, which falls square in HMX's camp. Any word on that?
Cheat Code
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No Rock Band Network?
I didn't know that. Fuck.
How am I meant to play Rainbowdragoneyes now?
I didn't know that. Fuck.
How am I meant to play Rainbowdragoneyes now?
FlashFlooder
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Still don't see why the MIDI Pro wouldn't work with PS4 right out of the box. It's just emulating a standard controller, AFAIK.
I know MS has some kind of proprietary protection on their USB inputs, though.
It's not that they "won't do it". It's that they can't because the wireless signal/radio in the 360 is different than the one in the XBone. That's the whole reason we need an adapter just to use our 360 instruments in RB4. Why the heck would MS go that far out of their way to make ANY game (not just RB but tons of others) that used peripherals on the XBox 360 work with the XBone just so you can play a game you already own, gaining them nothing? I think we just need to be happy we are getting backwards compatibility at all after hearing Sony's stance on it.
GuitarAtomik
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A hurdle they haven't figured out yet. There is no policy or mandate that they will not port those games. They aren't porting those games because they haven't figured out how to make peripherals work yet the same way they haven't figured out how to make multi disc games work yet. That doesn't mean they aren't working on it.
Baron von Loathsome
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RBN hasn't been ruled out, but HMX doesn't consider it a priority at this time.
RBN isn't a no, but it's also not being worked on at the moment. Probably because Harmonix doesn't really own the rights to distribute all of the RBN songs, they're more or less a broker.
To port over RBN they'd have to contact the company that authored the song, get permission to port it to the next gen, and then figure out how to get those companies paid by Sony, since MS's XNA backend handled payments for them before. The RBN songs on PS3 were, to overly simplify it, handled like they were official HMX DLC.
not impossible to resolve, but obvious why they'd prioritize all the songs they only have to deal with a single point of contact for first.
do we know if there were any differences with the songs releases on the ps3 via RBN?
I mean I know the 360 version was just flooded with more songs, but the ps3 only got harmonix select RBN songs so it's possible they had to obtain the rights like other songs to release them on the ps3.
We don't know for sure, but I believe the RBN songs that are available for free for PS4/Xbox if you preorder RB4 on Amazon/GS are all ones that made it over to PS3. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
March of the Crabs
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Pre order cancelled. No RBN no buy, sadly
Juke Joint Jezebel
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X1 user but I agree whole-heartedly. Especially considering my favourite full album DLC, Devin Townsend's "Ziltoid" was an RBN release, and is available on both PS3 and 360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjUkDkHfxuc&list=PL0f5PWLLP7-XfR3j3wxrzJb8M4429K3dC
So much good shit on RBN. Including some really high profile artists.
Ok I don't have the ION drums but my friend does so here is my question. I know right out of the box they won't work but if Harmonix got the Midi adapter to work couldn't you in theory plug the ION's into the midi and then the Midi into the Xbox One? Maybe I'm not understanding the midi adapter as we have never used it but couldn't this work?
The Lamonster
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Does "Rock Band Network" just refer to Rock Band 1-3 DLC or is it something separate that I've never heard of?
Juke Joint Jezebel
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RBN was a network and creation tool that Harmonix made with Microsoft's aid for users and creators to chart, and publish their own music, or somebody elses music with their permission. There were a crazy amount of songs published for independent artists, and even some high profile artists. It added an insane amount of variety alongside HMX's official DLC, you'd often get a dozen or so songs every fortnight, it was great. Made up at least a third of the total DLC I think, if not more.
Rock Band Network is a service that allowed artists/record labels to author and put out their own songs, as opposed to the songs put out weekly by Harmonix as "official DLC". It allowed for a lot more songs to be made and for tons of genres to be explored. The authoring process relied somewhat on XNA Creators Club (on the 360) which is why there were more RBN songs on the 360 than PS3. The Wikipedia page on it is actually pretty knowledgeable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Band_Network
March of the Crabs
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It was a separate part of the RB3 store where bands could get their music put in for people to download since Harmonix had terrible taste in music. LOTS of good stuff was in there. Hopefully it finds its way into RB4 eventually.
Baron von Loathsome
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The Rock Band Network was a way of artists getting their songs into Rock Band (mainly the Xbox 360 version, though a handful of songs got ported to PS3 and Wii) without having to go directly through Harmonix. It was mostly a way to let lesser-known artists to get into the game, but occasionally you had well-known songs like Semi-Charmed Life, Blue (Da Be Dee), and St. Elmo's Fire released through RBN.
ALLseeingEYE
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How many song do you already have? If you are one of the guys who still owns the entire RB set, and owns something like 300+ songs, why not just looks on craigslist for a cheap Xbox One?
X1 + RB4 = $2-300 for used system + $60 game = $260-$360
RB4 PS4 Full band set + 300 songs of discounted DLC = $250 + $198 = $448
The DLC pricing is based on your logical discount, and based on what I believe is Hamonix's pricing structure (1/3 HMX, 1/3 artist, 1/3 1st party) It's easy to see which choice is more logical. You get the same thing, plus you get an entire new system that you can enjoy a separate library of games on.
Your point, while noted, doesn't really make sense for anyone in the end, and would likely be a far greater engineering cost on Harmonix's end than you realize, for something they would not directly make money on. I'm sure they would even do it if they could, but I can't see any way either 1st party would allow this type of thing. Why would they? it would just be giving the opposition the benefit, in a situation that is currently potentially benefiting them a lot. It's cheaper and smarter to buy a new system than replace your entire rock band library and instruments.
Same here. I can't go back to a stock RB kit. I won't go back.
Also, outside of the XNA framework issues, PS3 didn't get that much RBN because Sony limited Harmonix to a maximum of 5 songs per week for RBN.
Nintendo didn't have a limit, so the Wii actually has about as many RBN 1.0 songs as the PS3 does, even though there were only 4 RBN batches on Wii before they pulled the plug on them, versus 26 weeks of PS3 RBN 1.0 releases. RBN 2.0 songs were never on Wii, though.
It was mathematically impossible for PS3 to ever catch up with the 5 song limit to the 360 output. Who knows why Sony did that.
Nintendo didn't have a limit, so the Wii actually has about as many RBN 1.0 songs as the PS3 does, even though there were only 4 RBN batches on Wii before they pulled the plug on them, versus 26 weeks of PS3 RBN 1.0 releases. RBN 2.0 songs were never on Wii, though.
It was mathematically impossible for PS3 to ever catch up with the 5 song limit to the 360 output. Who knows why Sony did that.
The MIDI adapter is a wired controller, and it isn't supported, either.
toymachine
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I want my Cynic in RB4, imagine freestyle solos over technical jazz death
Lady Siara
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I can't believe the stuff I've missed after I stopped playing.
I'm reading through just the RBN metal songs and am reeling in pain at what I'll be missing out on in RB4.
Fingers crossed for RBN support someday.
superNESjoe
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Wait so Xbox IONs are confirmed not supported?
toymachine
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I was thinking that Ion could work (without Pro Drums) if they allow the GHWT/WoR kits to work. Of course you'd need the Ion drum brain
This is exactly my position. Until everything's established, I'm content to retain my 360 as my Rock Band machine.
Jawmuncher
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I'm still sitting here waiting on Xbox One news and compatibility. Was kind of hoping it would all be ironed out by now in terms of details.
Rodeo Clown
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At least one of the songs that I know of off hand they're offering as a pre-order bonus is from Rock Band Network with Push Push (Lady Lightning). So I'm thinking that it'll just be select songs that made the transition.
Yes, kind of sucks.......I Am Abomination had two songs that were fucking amazing to play on all instruments on the RBN
Juke Joint Jezebel
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GH Live has a 6 button guitar, Rock Band 4's will only have 5 main frets. Both going for different things so I highly doubt there controllers will be compatibile.