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Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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lol
nah thats Karin
Shadoken
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The issue seems to be people who cant stand the fact that many people dont like Ingrid.
And generalizing everyone who says something against her inclusion.
Also its quite funny how everyone seems to be referring to my reply when I wasnt the one who brought up diversity in the first place.
Her age says Unknown. So am sorry for assuming shes some 1000 year old goddess in a 14 year olds body or w/e.
Also what does me calling her a loli have anything to do with my post about diversity.
When you break it down she is still blonde white female. If you want her in because of gameplay thats fine and your opinion. But she doesn't bring much culture diversity compared to many other female characters.
To you a character like Alex,Dudley,Vega may all just be the same "Muscular" dudes category. But they represent different culture and add to the diversity.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Yup you don't know what a loli is. Stop using the word please.
Shadoken
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Way to ignore the rest of the post. Especially since the post you quoted about diversity didnt even have the word loli in it.
Semi agreed but I bet more people have played Karin than Ingrid.
SpiceMelange
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Personally I don't like Ingrid because she look straight up ripped from a KoF game
You dont have to worry about diversity in a SF game. There will always be international representation, especially now that their targeting an international audience even more with a PC release. Also even if Ingrid was in fact a "1000 goddess in a 14 yr body" she still wouldnt be a loli, sorry.
Shadoken
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Seems both you and Q are just salty about me calling her a loli , rather than any of the other stuff I said.
If all you guys were interested in that part of my post , you could have just pointed that out. Instead Q went through all that BS about negating the rest of my post.
And yes for me the perfect initial roster would have all different nationalities/cultures.
She looks like a generic modern anime character. A couple of people saying she's awesome because of this or that, or her story is so pivotal to the series, based on... a PSP game and a POS release that nobody ever played? No thanks, save her for the last batch of DLC so I can accidentally unlock her, please.
Diverse would be adding an arabic female fighter or a black character who isn't a boxer or Birdie, or a southeast asian chick who is a viable glass cannon, or a Chinese charge shoto or something. A blonde chick who looks like fucking Marcy from Chrono Cross is not exciting. Of course she doesn't look like the existing characters in visual design, but that's the problem. You want diversity but within a theme. That's why cultural diversity is good. Gameplay diversity is good.
Ingrid looks like MUGEN in SFA3M and she would look like MUGEN in SFV unless they radically changed her design, and since she hasn't really appeared in any game that was played competitively, why even include her if they're going to radically change her design? By the bolded logic if they added a playable pink pony to the game we should be thrilled. A unique female design, what more could we ask for...
juri is only anime in the artwork witch in that case EVERYONE is anime.... in the game juri is the same as everyone else, oh wait shes Asian female so must be anime right......
She was designed by a former SNK artist (Senri Kita), so her looking more KoF than SF isn't too surprising.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
You mean this post I made?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175854042&postcount=6274
With that quote of you?
Wasn't in the diversity post but it's still stupid drivel that doesn't spark any meaningful discussion.
She would add diversity just not in the omg this character is black, this character is hispanic this character is from india type of way. You act like there are a ton of white females in SF in the first place. It would be awesome if they add more new female characters with more cultural diversity at the same time there is no one in SF like ingrid
Wasn't Cammy the only blonde character out of all the females in SF4? Not sure what hair colour matters but her being blonde is more diverse if anything.
I like KoF designs better anyway.
I wonder how disgustingly large Ingrid's feet will be in SF5 engine
Nah i really dont care if you misuse the term. I was just initially baffled by you saying the game lacks diversity when here we have a very unique character, but then i realized you meant 'diversity' as in gender/nationality etc. Which is a silly thing to get worried about in a Street Fighter game.
I do not follow your train of thought.
Ryu, Ken, Guy, Karin, Sakura and Juri have a lot of diversity in there. Even Ken/Ryu, Sakura/Karin have different types of design, both in visual style and gameplay. They can change Karin/Sakura to look more unique even if there are still wearing school uniforms or completely change their designs.
SF series was never about representing any type of cultural diversity. If anything, it's more about those stereotypes that everyone knows that it isn't real.
SFV does not have, what I would consider, an anime trope kind of character. Even if they added a lot more of those, I would be okay as long they would play cool. And even anime tropes can be nicely done, check Guilty Gear or BlazBlue.
Ingrid has never fit the mold for me, design and move set feels like its straight out of King of fighters
Really would rather characters like Karin, Maki or even Pullom from the ex series much more interesting in all aspects
I think ingrid is Goin to get the nod though from ono, ehhhh whatever
Really would rather characters like Karin, Maki or even Pullom from the ex series much more interesting in all aspects
I think ingrid is Goin to get the nod though from ono, ehhhh whatever
Shadoken
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This ... I hate how anyone who calls out a design for being generic anime , immediately means we only want "Strong muscular dudes" or w/e.
I hope if we get that new Indian character he would actually a legit indian fighting style ( there are sooo fking many of them) Karate did originate from here after all. Dhalsim is just uhhh.
Wonderboy91
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I don't know who Ingrid is but i want her in for meme value now.
ãInaba Residentã
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Its like Smash threads never ended.
1. What? SF series was about representing cultural diversity. The world warriors. You think it's an accident you flew to countries around the world and fought characters of those nationalities (Blanka aside)?
2. SF2 didn't have that, SF3 didn't have that, SF4 didn't have that. So why would SFV have it? If anything, save those for an eventual Alpha or VS game, since those are the series that employed the anime aesthetic.
Shadoken
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Ofcourse it does ... SF 2 The WORLD warriors. The giant map with the plane and stuff? It was always about nationalties/cultures fighting it out.
Yes it was HORRIBLY stereotypical back in the 90s. But does that mean it has to be that way now?
I would take LEGIT culturally diverse characters over someone like Ingrid.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
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Karin and R.Mika actually have a chance of being playable
Its like a Smash thread because of its a bunch of silly arguments for or against certain characters
bob_arctor
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So do you guys see what happens when you want R Mika and Karin? Stop trying to argue your trash opinions with "well everyone here is muscular in a fighting game" or "there's no such things as lolis in my sf"
lol ridiculous
Bow down to the true God
Awww yeah dude would beast in SFV. Aside from Remy, my hopeless fantasy of a pick, the man in diapers needs to be on the roster.
OmegaSmash
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It's likely an UDON thing.
Her moveset is basically a bootleg Athena from SNK, but I still like it. Plus, she's supposedly AKIMAN's last designed "SF" character. But I do hope they retcon her stupid storyline and shit.
Her moveset is basically a bootleg Athena from SNK, but I still like it. Plus, she's supposedly AKIMAN's last designed "SF" character. But I do hope they retcon her stupid storyline and shit.
I am not about to act like Ingrid isn't a trope. She is a magical girl afterall and all that. But here is the thing...so far of the characters we have, this trope is not being used...so her addition would add to diversity of THIS game.
As for the cultural representation....you are still offbase as we will STILL have a pretty culturally vast cast if the Leaks are to be believed (IIRC we are getting an Indian Character, Brazillian, and Africa)..add that to Spain (Vega), Japan (Ryu), America (Ken and Charlie), Aztec (Vicalli), England (Cammy and Birdie)..it is pretty diverse that way as well.
So in the end, the only diversity you want is diversity that appeals to your tastes..
I don't even want Ingrid like that...but she would add a unique moveset, a unique trope for THIS game, and a different aesthetic than other characters are bringing right now. So to chock her up as "another loli" in a game in which there currently are 0 is stupid and shows that you don't really know what it means. In the end, you just don't like the character..that's cool. Stop making it more than that.
Shadoken
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I think a majority of the female characters in this game are Japanese followed by ChunLi,Juri,Cammy,Rose,Elena. So Ingrid isn't really adding much to an already small category.
The new Brazillian female they are adding? Thats a much better idea than Ingrid. And adds much more variety.
if you can't handle Ingrid in SFV in 2015 you need re-evaluate your understanding of the franchise and the community, etc.
seems like a good fit to me IMO. there might be a saltstorm if she's in the starting roster but even then I could see it happening. seems like a decent candidate for DLC as well.
seems like a good fit to me IMO. there might be a saltstorm if she's in the starting roster but even then I could see it happening. seems like a decent candidate for DLC as well.
we don't even know where Ingrid is from tho
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Eh can't really say that til you see the character and the character in action.
IntelliHeath
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『Inaba Resident』;175862799 said:
Yep, I don't really get it for some people to arguing about their characters getting in or not. 16 characters roster isn't finalized since we are going to get more characters down in the road.
Also it has been like that for long time but it progressively getting worse.
hopeless? he has a good chance.
KidA Seven
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Well the stages each have a weather description when you select them in the new build. Maybe they will come or he had mistaken that description for weather effects.
As for Ingrid,
don't forget my boy urien
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Someone got hold of Ono's tweet before Ono himself deleted it:
Source? I meant where did you find that picture?
- How is Juri anime as hell? Because she's an asian female?
- Akuma did not look anime in SSF2.
- Oni and Evil Ryu are just lame "evil" clones, nothing particularly anime about that.
- How in the shit is Bison anime? He's a generic Nazi character. I mean, he's referred to as Dictator ffs. And no, I don't care that there was a manga that drew a character that looked like him, since they were just referencing the Nazis anyway.
- Ibuki is really only anime in her win costumes. Show me anime characters that look like her (in her regular costume).
- Show me anime characters that look like Yun/Yang. AFAIK those are fairly original designs by Capcom's admittedly low standards.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I'm cool with any character getting in honestly. I'd argue for a character way before against one unless say someone listed two and one of them filled in gameplay gaps the other didn't.
You seem to be in denial. A character doesn't have to look like someone from an anime to be anime.
Besides Yun and Yang are gundam wing characters.
Have you seen Ibuki's supers? Yeah I'm sure you have.
How is Bison anime? How is he not? Dude levitates, flies through the air with psychic powers, talks about wanting to take over the world and shit.
Everyone looked 90's anime in SF2 don't kid yourself.
Yun and Yang are literally aped from Gundam Wing, Trowa and Duo.
Shadoken
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Well I am glad you arent disagreeing that shes an anime trope. What I am trying to say is Since Ingrid isnt a popular character like say Ryu,Ken,Chun,Cammy who pretty much get a free-pass every fking game.
If shes being added a "new" surprise character , shouldn't that character at least be very different. I mean someone like Necalli or the new character we are getting.
You know very well the game is going to be filled with many Anime trope style characters soon like Sakura,Karin...etc at least through DLC. Why get hyped for another character of that similar style.
Yes gameplay might be great , but its not like you cant design another character with that style of gameplay.
Yun and Yang were deliberately modeled after Duo and Trowa from Gundam Wing.
EDIT: Beaten.
You both want to explain how Blanka represents Brazil ?
Or Zangief with Russia/USSR ?
Dalsim and India ?
Stereotypes.
Even Ryu is a japanese stereotype.
Regarding the selection of characters that we want back, I prefer that they will focus on gameplay. Regarding the new characters, they will probably add the diversity you are looking for.
Mr.PaVy-RD screen-capped it and posted it on the Shoryuken forum.
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