Forza Motorsport 6 has "wet weather, 3D puddles and night races" + more
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Had to turn this off. This dude is so butt hurt that Dan didn't recognize him.
Only 2 PR guys? What about Dan? If he isn't a PR guy what's his job at Turn 10?
I think he was referring to the two community managers which are HeliosT10 or Ian Webster and Brian Ekberg. Dan is the creative director of the Forza Franchise as a whole btw.
We know Dan listens to us. He just chooses to ignore what we say.
Dans appearances often seem like he tries to justify why Forza is a true simracer while in truth it's dumbed down with every version.
"It's all about the physics" - yeah right...
soundscream
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What has been dumbed down?
soundscream
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Good thing you posted this in the Forza thread!
Define "sim racer"
Well with every iteration career races get shorter and seem made for the casual folk... The focus shifts more into car porn instead of a racer (see Forzavista).
Inputwise gamepad is the controller of choice and it feels like wheel support is more like "if we have to" for them. FFB lacks compared to proper simracers etc.
In the physics department: pretty much every car has the same camber and caster angles. A lot of well known and public data of race cars aren't modeled in the game (DTM gearboxes for example, where data is available for the public but Forza does it completely wrong). Or remember the Bugatti EB110SS? RWD in game, AWD in reallife?
Forza is obviously not a simracer, so Turn 10 should stop selling it as a simracer and talking about "We care and love physics" when they obviously don't.
Turn 10 don't sell it as a simracer. If you watch enough of their briefings they simply say they want to "turn car-lovers into gamers and gamers into car-lovers". They're all for authenticity and yes, they simulate certain aspects of the physics like tyres, but the game itself is not designed to be a simulation.
Edit: if you want to have a chuckle at something that really does sell itself as a sim and falls way short, just take a look at this logo.
Before anything else though, I will say Gran Turismo is a fantastic series. It's just not a fantastic driving simulator.
Please don't say PCars has better physics...
I didn't mention pcars, right?
I was more thinking of games like Assetto Corsa, rFactor2 and so on.I also don't expect the Forza series to be THE simracer out there. They don't need to be. And even if they don't call themself a simracer, talking about physics and how important it is to them feels like they want people to think they are a simracer.
soundscream
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Well to say things have been dumbed down with every iteration with regards to FFB & physics, is just not correct. The improvements from 3 - > 4 - > 5 are extremely noticeable, especially when using a wheel.
Mistakes do happen, and ALL games have their share, but you seem to be making mountains out of mole hills.
JackAubrey
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They are all games. All of them. Stop trying to pretend you are some kind of racing driver because of the "purity" of game you want. (Edit: replying to thread, not post directly above me)
PCars, rFactor, NASCAR 2000, GPL, Forza, GT, Grid - all videogames. And all simulate some aspects of the automotive experience. Some more than others, some with a different focus. But they are still all just videogames. Put Forza or GT in a time machine back 20 years and there would be no doubt that they would be perceived as "real" simulators, whatever that's supposed to mean.
All the best physics modelling in the world are only half the picture when you have no physical sensations of real driving. When you stop trying to convince yourself that the level of fun you are having is somehow directly fixed to how "pure" a simulation is you might stop worrying yourself enjoy games more.
PCars, rFactor, NASCAR 2000, GPL, Forza, GT, Grid - all videogames. And all simulate some aspects of the automotive experience. Some more than others, some with a different focus. But they are still all just videogames. Put Forza or GT in a time machine back 20 years and there would be no doubt that they would be perceived as "real" simulators, whatever that's supposed to mean.
All the best physics modelling in the world are only half the picture when you have no physical sensations of real driving. When you stop trying to convince yourself that the level of fun you are having is somehow directly fixed to how "pure" a simulation is you might stop worrying yourself enjoy games more.
Forza 3 and 4 felt way better with a wheel than Forza 5. Somethings wrong with it and I don't seem the only one to feel that way if you look at the official Forza forums.
Well hard to prove some things were dumbed down, in some areas it did feel that way. But even if they werent dumbed down there wasn't any improvement at all. Focus seems more on the casual "gamers" who want pretty looking cars instead of the racing crowd.
The focus is where the money is, which is needed to sustain having lots of cars and tracks. Simracers just don't sell very well and don't have an awful lot of content because of it, and they sell extra cars and tracks at like 50 bucks a piece. Forza and GT are more car sandboxes than racing sims.
No love for Che
I was referring to the two mentioned in the video which were Ian/Brian, but should have mentioned Che as well as Fred or Phredesign (who just recently left T10 actually)
But that doesn't really make sense. As you say, PD nailed more realistic colour tone back in 2007 (not to mention PGR4), and there are plenty of games now that do so (DriveClub, PCars, even the new NFS). Even user-created mods for other games can nail realistic colour tone (ENB mods for Skyrim, GTA, etc.). I think it has to be a conscious choice. I think it's holding them back visually, but it seems to me like it must be a conscious choice.
soundscream
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Porsche9146
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"They don't listen to us" is only a valid argument if "The fans" is a united front with the same opinions. Some people wanted one thing, some people wanted another. One group not getting what they want does not mean that the generic "We" were not listened to, and in turn one group getting every single thing they'd ever ask for doesn't mean that the generic "We" were listened to.
Personally, I had no interest in fantasy tracks and think the real-world track additions were great choices. Obviously, quite a lot of people think exactly the opposite. A third person probably doesn't care what tracks are on the disc, so long as their M3 CSL is there.
It's true for content, and it's true for overall game direction. This is too broad a fanbase to make the "The fans were answered!/The fans weren't answered" assumption about on all things but obvious issues with unilateral support like the removal of custom public lobbies in Forza 3 and subsequent return in Forza 4.
Personally, I had no interest in fantasy tracks and think the real-world track additions were great choices. Obviously, quite a lot of people think exactly the opposite. A third person probably doesn't care what tracks are on the disc, so long as their M3 CSL is there.
It's true for content, and it's true for overall game direction. This is too broad a fanbase to make the "The fans were answered!/The fans weren't answered" assumption about on all things but obvious issues with unilateral support like the removal of custom public lobbies in Forza 3 and subsequent return in Forza 4.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Maybe it's the crooked gamma curve on Xbox platforms, idk. In some cases they totally nail the lighting, like say Spa in this comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwgpkeTtXaw. Their lighting engine is just inconsistent, and tracks and cars are lit separately. You can have a situation where your car is in shade but your instrument cluster is lit up and vice versa. It's just really a product of all the hacks and bandaids slapped on top of the same old Forza 1 engine.
I dunno how you can say they totally nail the lighting, the colour tone is considerably different:
The sky is right but the grass and track are totally different colours.
"They dont nail the lighting", so you proceed to talk about the colour of the grass? Seriously? We're saying they don't nail a track because the grass is a different shade of green.
And the rumble strips are all wrong, laserscanning lolz. I was talking in general it looks similar, the shitty camera also blows out the colors in the RL footage.
This image brings up another issue - even though T10 claims tracks are laserscanned we still have these inconsistencies with the curbs and rumble strips, it's evident here, on Silverstone and Nurburgring.
In Forza 4.
This is certainly the one thing any racing game doesn't need.
Stevey
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Why would you want to race them?
Because it's part of the fun of doing some amateur racing with small well tuned car? And that's what forza is all about, tuning small car and amateur trackday and make your way to better machinery improving your driving.
Let's add a Toyota Prius while we're at it.
Said no-one ever.
F-class racing in Forza 4 was fantastic, however.
Sorry for the double post and I'm not sure whether this has been posted yet, but these are the additional cars to go with the previously announced V8 Supercars list.
Good to see Justin Wilson's #25 in there too.
Good to see Justin Wilson's #25 in there too.
http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/news/fm6_forza_garage_week_9 said:
drugstore_cowboy
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We're nearing the complete list now?
Apart from the E21, anything not made it over?
Apart from the E21, anything not made it over?
GHG
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Forza isn't about that anymore unfortunately. You can now buy your dream supercar from minute 1 if you have the means to do so.
Hence they don't give a shit about entry level street cars anymore.
soundscream
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Haha YouTuber saying "don't you know who I am?". I have seen some of his videos and I remember him talking out of his ass when it comes to actual information, on more then one occasion. YouTube is great for getting your voice out but don't think you actually get the cache of someone who works for a website or magazine.
JackAubrey
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Great post. I agree.
soundscream
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Diablohead
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forza 4 felt the best for earning money, the grind wasn't too bad and it took a little while to buy the big hitters, forza 5 just threw that out the window so they could sell you booster pack dlc...
Forza rewards help a ton too, maybe a little too good with 1.5m every month at user level 7.
Forza rewards help a ton too, maybe a little too good with 1.5m every month at user level 7.
soundscream
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Or you could earn it by playing the game. The only people who would need to buy a pack is someone who wasn't driving and just wanted to pop in and out.
Diablohead
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Are we not allowed to race D and C class cars because we enjoy them? damn
Shortt Sirket
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Some of my favorite races have been in underpowered cars. You guys remember the ForzaGAF Miata League we ran? That thing was fuckin awesome.