Forza Motorsport 6 has "wet weather, 3D puddles and night races" + more
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Absolutely, I loved it. Looked so great and brought a great challenge to the race. Driving the Z06 in the rivals event there was one hell of an experience. I hope they add rain to more tracks post release.
The Indy race was incredible, I never felt a sense of speed like that in a game before. It was terrifying, but in a wonderful way.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Loving the force feedback improvements. Between that and whatever changes have been made to the handling I'm finding more confidence driving in the rain in this demo than I did at any time in F5.
Why didn't you turn the assists off?
CrudeDiatribe
Member
Demo impressions:
Love the driving. Simulation steering on the pad feels twitchier, but I am very rusty, so switched to normal.
Indy was quite something, with a tremendous sense of speed. With the 'normal steering' and on-screen/audio feedback it felt like I was using the arrow keys on a computer. Very easy to not clip the grass or the wall, which was a huge problem in the last two.
Have to hold the clutch button longer than the last games to avoid grinding the gears. Something to train myself on.
Audio kept cracking on me; maybe my Xbone needed a reboot after playing Fury Road? Dunno.
Took a long time to get to racing, and for fuck's sake let me pause and adjust the settings in the first race.
Also, remember my controller, audio and assist settings between rivals, please. There's got to be a way to differentiate from a copy of the demo running in a store and a personal XBox.
Love the driving. Simulation steering on the pad feels twitchier, but I am very rusty, so switched to normal.
Indy was quite something, with a tremendous sense of speed. With the 'normal steering' and on-screen/audio feedback it felt like I was using the arrow keys on a computer. Very easy to not clip the grass or the wall, which was a huge problem in the last two.
Have to hold the clutch button longer than the last games to avoid grinding the gears. Something to train myself on.
Audio kept cracking on me; maybe my Xbone needed a reboot after playing Fury Road? Dunno.
Took a long time to get to racing, and for fuck's sake let me pause and adjust the settings in the first race.
Also, remember my controller, audio and assist settings between rivals, please. There's got to be a way to differentiate from a copy of the demo running in a store and a personal XBox.
GHG
Member
With regards to puddles:
Puddles will tend to form in the same place most of the time due to track elevation and camber. However, if you have a field of 24 cars driving through these puddles then the puddle sizes should change dependant on how many cars are driving through them. For example look at where the water is on the track before after this incident: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KT0oN9UPi6U . Also, due to the fact that it is raining during the race, the puddles should actually get bigger as the race progresses and maybe even new ones should form in certain places. And those puddles that cover the entirety of the width of the track? The track would be getting shut down if those form. Like I said, it is far too static and because of that you just learn where the puddles are, alter your racing line accordingly and it's job done. There is no emergent gameplay to be found here because of it, it's a very predictable experience. It doesn't matter what other racers are doing or aren't doing, I'm talking about what is being represented here and my opinions on how it does (or doesn't) effect the moment to moment racing.
Track temps at night at Yas Marina:
In the daytime it's 40 degrees Celsius plus for a lot of the year here in the UAE while at night it's 30 degrees plus. That means that even at night the track temperatures at Yas Marina will be higher than the daytime track temps at most other tracks in the world. So yes, the track temperature is less that what it would be in the day there but the grip levels should still be at least on par with what you would find on most other tracks during the day elsewhere in the year. Whenever I have gone to Yas Marina or the Dubai Autodrome in the evenings or at night the track temps have been higher than what you would ever experience in the day at track days in the UK. Even in the cooler months here in the UAE track temps will still commonly exceed 25-30 degrees Celsius at night. Hence my question of why are they not providing us with information such as the track temperature that is being simulated?
And final note on the driving model, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with it. I actually think that the physics engine in Forza is one of the best in the business (hence my frustration with everything else the game has become). However, the rest of the game isn't well set up to play with all assists off and full damage simulation considering how aggressive the AI is and how short the races are.
Shortt Sirket
Member
Holy shit man, no kidding! I thought I was just fucking something up, I was grinding them all over the place.
haha was thinking the same during Sebring race. It plays really great now and it's without some nice tuning setups.
I can't wait to take for a spin on Nurburg at least half of that car list and some race cars just to see how they handle.
You still didn't address how static puddles don't present emergent gameplay when static turns on static tracks with static weather achieves this very thing.
How, for example, does worrying about 23 other racers in wet conditions with puddles on certain turns in different cars with different grip levels/power/turning capability etc not create emergent gameplay?
But...hey...just alter that race line and everything is ok. You're being disingenuous with that line.
Missile Defense
Banned
After a long break from F5 which I started playing again in anticipation, and after having spent so much time in Horizon, 2 things jumped out at me:
OMFG, 60fps is just so superior. Graphics in F5 are that much better and so much more impressive at 60fps.
That alone has hyped me for F6. Sucks that I'm away on travel, I won't get to try the demo till the weekend.
OMFG, 60fps is just so superior. Graphics in F5 are that much better and so much more impressive at 60fps.
That alone has hyped me for F6. Sucks that I'm away on travel, I won't get to try the demo till the weekend.
All the other races were fine. The only one that made me nauseous was the Indycar race. The sense of speed and the track itself definitely got to me. It almost looked like a sped up video. Really weird sensation. For what its worth, I drive using the hood cam so that might have made things worse.
Kacho
Member
This is a noticeable improvement over Forza 5 which I thought was a step backwards for the series. Most importantly the driving feels MUCH better this time and going into corners in a pack isn't a complete clusterfuck. Small things like better menu music, the prize wheel and card pack boosts will go a long way in keeping me engaged.
Hawk269
Member
Yeah, Sebring in the rain is fucking great. Really was blown away by the rain and how it looks, I mean visually it is so much better than the other courses in the demo.
With that said, I am not blown away as I thought I was. I am not that impressed by the night course, it had some cool parts, but lighting seemed a little flat to me. I also think that Indy is worse than the F5 version. I just played both versions and it seems like there is a layer of grain in the visuals in F6, where in F5 it seems cleaner/smoother.
In the end, now that I played more of the demo, I am little less excited for the game. It is not that impressive outside of the rain track at Sebring, that alone did blow me away, but considering the entire demo it just seemed "ok". I expected a bit more from Turn 10 in regards to advancements as they traditionally do. I mean Forza 2 to Forza 3 was a huge advancement. This just seems like an incremental upgrade (very slight) visually speaking. Not talking about 8 more cars on the track and the added night/rain. I am primarily talking about visuals from F5 to F6 and I swear, the frame rate does not feel as smooth as F5, especially after playing the demo and running the Indy course a few times on each.
Still getting the game as I love the series, but feel overall a little underwhelmed by the demo. Hope the final release looks a little cleaner and I really hope they improve some of the sound effects, especially those when you bump or crash into other cars, it is so subdued...it literally sounds like your car and the AI cars are covered in a thick layer of Styrofoam and when you hit them or they hit you it is a muffled/sound absorbing type of sound.
GHG
Member
Its pretty simple really, if you know where the puddles are going to be everytime you load up a particular track in the rain and you know those puddles will not change in size/depth/shape on a lap to lap basis then over time you will adjust and learn a new racing line in accordance with the conditions. Yes there are other cars on the track to contend with but its as simple as waiting until you can overtake without ploughing headfirst into a puddle based on knowing where the puddles are located on each track.
If you are racing online against human opponents then yes, it will be slightly different in that your opponents might well be more intelligent than the AI and can defend the optimal racing line and force you towards puddles in certain scenarios. But then against better opponents online you can be forced off track by someone defending their line well in dry conditions so its no different to that really. By nature, online gaming creates emergent gameplay scenarios. I'm talking about racing against the AI here where its simply a case of learning where the puddles are and then choosing your moments.
I'm going to play around with this more later, but from what I can tell so far, no only you seem to be affected, even if they cause the incident and plough into the back of you. Unless the final game is any different?
Can't believe we've got to a point in game development where we can complain that the 3D puddles don't propagate themselves due to the shifting of the bodies of water when cars drive through them!!.
I mean, come on, what other game has done puddles even close to the way they're done in here?
I get the arguments about it not being realistic that a race would take place with that amount of water in real life, but lets be honest, it's forza, it's moving more and more away from a SIM with every iteration, the puddles are there to change the track dynamic, make it more exciting and more challenging, and they do that in spades.
As for those asking about things persisting between demo playthroughs, I believe MS doesn't let demos do this, I may be wrong though, but I'm sure I read that somewhere.
I mean, come on, what other game has done puddles even close to the way they're done in here?
I get the arguments about it not being realistic that a race would take place with that amount of water in real life, but lets be honest, it's forza, it's moving more and more away from a SIM with every iteration, the puddles are there to change the track dynamic, make it more exciting and more challenging, and they do that in spades.
As for those asking about things persisting between demo playthroughs, I believe MS doesn't let demos do this, I may be wrong though, but I'm sure I read that somewhere.
ResidentDante
Member
Lol! Same here, how do those drivers sit behind the wheel and drive calmly in real life?!
To keep the framerate at 60fps. I recall in FM4 that time trials (with obviously no cars in the rear-view) would have a 60fps rear-view, while full races would have 30fps.
JayhawkerStL
Banned
Are people complaining about static puddles also complaining about the static turns? I mean, how much strategy is there if you know where every turn is?
Yea, when doing hot laps, you will learn the puddles just like the turns. But in races, they add one more element to navigate when trying pass and make up time.
Yea, when doing hot laps, you will learn the puddles just like the turns. But in races, they add one more element to navigate when trying pass and make up time.
Why not have the puddle get bigger / smaller depeding on rain severity? No reason its not dynamic. I understand constraints on going from clear to rain but severity of rain and puddle formation - as a minimum - should have been implemented. Considering that the competition does this and more....much more.
Because you know how much time it will cost to program this and if it's feasible within deadline and budget?
JayhawkerStL
Banned
I see where you're coming from.
Not to mention this is year One of rain puddles... Who knows what improvements will be made over the years...
It's still Pretty damned good for a new feature ever
JayhawkerStL
Banned
It's about time they let us import our own music and playlists like they did in PGR.
T10 should think about how Forza games start out, or provide a "jump into carreer" option for seasoned Forza players. It's always the same... Live-Action intro, show-race with no options, lot's of unskippable talk. It's frustrating and yes I realize it's only the first time you start the game, but an option would be highly appreciated.
edit: and I did not get to finish the whole demo due to private reasons and now I can do that all over again. Yes it's silly to complain about that for a demo, but stuff like that could happen with the full game too.
edit: and I did not get to finish the whole demo due to private reasons and now I can do that all over again. Yes it's silly to complain about that for a demo, but stuff like that could happen with the full game too.
the unskippable talk is so infuriating.
some of the stuff described is blatantly obvious on the screen, even if you've never played any game before.
I don't have time for an extra two minutes between races to listen to the VO.
Terbinator
Member
You mean more-forgiving, surely? Absolutely no way I'd take the F430S around Yas without aids on FM5 yet can do so on FM6.
ResidentDante
Member
"For each race you earn experience points, XP for short."
XP?! Damn tthat's something new in gaming! xD
Now, I'm not shit posting or trying to be callous but it just seems the way f6 is being marketed with rain/puddles/night as its main new selling feature is not sitting right with me. If it was for every track then no problem, but only a handful? That's just deceiving.
If anything, the rain/puddles/night is almost like a free weather dlc pack.
If anything, the rain/puddles/night is almost like a free weather dlc pack.
Played the demo. some impressions.
Graphics: good, could be better, really need to work on the lighting. Been spoiled by other games I think.
Gameplay: Great as usual with Forza
Night: Felt bland, maybe it was the track, didn't do anything for me.
Rain: Awesome. Absolutely nailed it. Puddles actually felt like they were there.
Microtransactions (never played FM5 so don't know how they're different if at all): mostly a non-issue, payout seems good for the races, but not a fan of what is essentially gambling with the packs and their random nature.
In the end, hasn't changed my mind, looks like I won't be getting it. I don't know whether it's the 2 year dev cycle, or they simply don't care for it that much, but they really need to work on the lighting. I don't think I can get into a sim again unless it has dynamic lighting due to its nature of sharing the majority of its tracks with past entries. Static lighting just makes the game get stale quickly for me.
Anyways, it's a slick presentation with solid gameplay and great customization, can definitely see the diehard fans loving it and can also see the demo resulting in some brand new players buying the game.
Just not doing it for me unfortunately. Oh well, hopefully, next game. I miss the fantastic customization aspect of the Forza games. No other game comes even close (at least on consoles, no idea about PC).
PS. I'm assuming this demo build is older code that they used to show off at an event or something which would explain the large amount of menu stuttering I faced.
Graphics: good, could be better, really need to work on the lighting. Been spoiled by other games I think.
Gameplay: Great as usual with Forza
Night: Felt bland, maybe it was the track, didn't do anything for me.
Rain: Awesome. Absolutely nailed it. Puddles actually felt like they were there.
Microtransactions (never played FM5 so don't know how they're different if at all): mostly a non-issue, payout seems good for the races, but not a fan of what is essentially gambling with the packs and their random nature.
In the end, hasn't changed my mind, looks like I won't be getting it. I don't know whether it's the 2 year dev cycle, or they simply don't care for it that much, but they really need to work on the lighting. I don't think I can get into a sim again unless it has dynamic lighting due to its nature of sharing the majority of its tracks with past entries. Static lighting just makes the game get stale quickly for me.
Anyways, it's a slick presentation with solid gameplay and great customization, can definitely see the diehard fans loving it and can also see the demo resulting in some brand new players buying the game.
Just not doing it for me unfortunately. Oh well, hopefully, next game. I miss the fantastic customization aspect of the Forza games. No other game comes even close (at least on consoles, no idea about PC).
PS. I'm assuming this demo build is older code that they used to show off at an event or something which would explain the large amount of menu stuttering I faced.
I feel the exact same. Although a step forward in the series, its a step backwards in the genre for me as other games are achieving more.
And before people start quoting car numbers and autovista in the grand scheme of things quantity isn't necessarily better. It's safe to assume MOST people will only use 5-10% of the cars unless forced via career mode.
GHG
Member
100% this. It sets the tone from minute 1 and is infuriating for people who know their way around games like this, not to mention its a waste of time.
Le Mans at Night looks insane holy shit. Thanks for posting this
Porsche9146
Neo Member
It really makes me wonder why they tried to showcase night with fully lit Yas Marina in the demo instead of this.
ResidentDante
Member
Demos are often taken from an early stage of the code, maybe the Le Mans track wasn't finished when the demo was being set up.
I think the tyre tracks in wet weather should really be more prominent so they aren't so hidden by the spray in chase cam*. That old Merc at Silverstone looks like a hovercraft. The spray actually reinforces this illusion (if you've ever seen a hovercraft go over wet Tarmac).
*you probably deserve this if you use chase cam in a sim. Maybe it's Dan's way of punishing you.