brianmcdoogle
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This is a wonderful description of video games that I wish I thought of myself and why the medium as a whole is in some sort of arrested development.
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This is a wonderful description of video games that I wish I thought of myself and why the medium as a whole is in some sort of arrested development.
Mission 51 is a bunch of incomplete cutscenes and concept art put together on the collector's edition bonus disc, concluding the Eli/Mantis/Sahelanthropus storyline.
The tape said Liquid wasn't a clone because they were comparing his DNA with Venom, who isn't actually Big Boss. In the tapes Ocelot says he hypnotized himself to forget the real Big Boss, so he doesn't realize the discrepancy.
And what are the odds the Patriots would let their prized clone project escape into the jungles of Africa and become a child warlord? And that he'd then get found by Big Boss?
It really is a small world.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Are you fucking with me? Did they really use that bullshit plot device AGAIN?
Its a huge issue for game's criticism since most reviews only examine the toy side of the question, and are in fact largely incapable of looking at or analyzing art.
Proof is in the MGS V reviews; just try to count how many give perfect or near-perfect marks while explicitly discounting everything other than how fun it is to play. Like a toy.
matrixman92
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sooo whatever happened to going back to camp omega?
And I was pretty disappointed that that one gamestop listing about how you get to go to Russia wasnt in the game. How could they even get misinformation like that
And I was pretty disappointed that that one gamestop listing about how you get to go to Russia wasnt in the game. How could they even get misinformation like that
Because you aren't playing as the real big boss
brianmcdoogle
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What are you talking about? I love anime, and comic books, and wrestling, and Fast and the Furious, and video game movies, and comic book movies, and action movies, and Michael Bay movies, and I haven't read a book since High School.... I'm totally qualified for this!
Camp Omega was cut or an empty promise to begin with.
The problem with trying to discount MGSV on the art charge, of course, is that art is entirely centered around subjective experience, so scores are idiotic to use to begin with if you go down that route. So I don't think this discredits the game in the way you appear to want it to.
Well your base can be invaded even when you're offline though I'm not sure if you can build a nuclear weapon without creating a FOB.
Crossing Eden
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Lmfao, first it was
Then it was
Now it's
After that it'll be
After that
After that
It was funny at first but now it's getting kinda sad. :|
Gameplay matters most in a game. That's the "art" part of a game, something that differentiates it from other mediums. There is nothing wrong in giving MGSV a perfect score for its gameplay alone. There is plenty wrong assuming that gameplay itself can't be art.
Hahaha, Kojima in a nutshell
johnsavage
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I wish they would troll us with dates that are sooner.... I doubt Konami would sell MGS and I'm sure they would never sell the Fox Engine.
Everything is subjective when the rating a game; not just whether you consider it good art, crappy art, or not art at all.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Can't you steal somebody's nuke from their FOB?
brianmcdoogle
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It's strange putting 50 hours into MGS5 without ever building a FOB because I could never connect to the servers while playing the game. Now, I could probably create one, but when I hit this "mission" things were offline. Yay!
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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If that's the case, then a group of people should go out and steal then dismantle all the nukes out there.
Maybe that's how you get that ending.
Everything about entertainment is subjective. I'm subjectively claiming MGS V fails as art. I believe strongly in my claim and I invite you to agree but I never said its objective truth.
Not at all what I said.
brianmcdoogle
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Hiding behind opinion and subjectiveness is garbage as I've said in many other topics.
That's certainly your opinion, but many people feel quite differently. Gameplay can certainly be art, but I think the issue many people have with MGSV is that the gameplay is great (not art IMO), but many other aspects of the game were lacking.
No, everything is not subjective when rating a game. However, when it comes to "art" or the "experience" of something, it's definitely the most subjective it can get when it comes to reviewing something.
The claim that reviewers only analyzed MGSV as a toy is a lie, anyway. Reading the actual reviews shows that people like IGN or Gamespot (10/10) mentioned things other than how "fun" it is quite a bit. IGN's review in particular highlighted emergent narrative (war stories) as the driving force behind the 10 even though they found the static narrative lacking.
I seriously doubt 0 worldwide nukes is the trigger for that scene.
You'd have to have every possible nuke stolen and then dismantled without a single person keeping one or building a new one.
You said MGSV fails as art, but what metric are we using to determine art in a videogame if not the gameplay itself being the most important one?
It matters at times, but I agree that it generally isn't a good counter argument. I don't think it works too well in this regard.
The Silver
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How did I not notice earlier that this FOB thing, stealing nukes and stuff is very similar to what Zanzibar Land does.(went around stealing nukes from countries until they were one of the few nuclear powers left)
Okay, I'm curious. How can one objectively rate a game?
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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Maybe it's for certain PF brackets or something. So only small pools of players that cooperate would get it. Either way, the whole situation is dumb, we don't even know if it's actually achievable in-game, so whatever :lol
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Also, if you watch the video, Ocelot says in the ACC after the "credits" that somebody broke the peace and made another nuke so you have to go after them, or something to that effect.
Jangowuzhere
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Okay, Kojima has always had a juvenile aspect to all his games when it comes to women, but Quiet is the first character in this series to make me roll my eyes with pure disgust.
She is literally being horribly tortured with shock rods at Mother Base, and the camera does all it can to focus on her breasts and crotch as much as possible. Same thing happens when life killing salt water is splashed onto her. I thought I was watching a snuff film during that scene.
She "dies" to a soviet soldier in mission 45, the soldier takes then her pants off and is prepared to rape her dead corpse. It's just an excuse to get Quiet into her panties. All so the camera can focus on her ass with slow mo shots every 10 seconds while she murders everyone. The transition from horrifying death/possible rape to sexy bad ass sequence in probably the worst tonal shift I've seen in an MGS game to date.
To top it all off, she's not even all that interesting as a character. She makes for an interesting plot/gameplay device, but I really didn't care when she had to leave Mother Base. She could have been so much more interesting, but we really didn't get anything with her.
She is literally being horribly tortured with shock rods at Mother Base, and the camera does all it can to focus on her breasts and crotch as much as possible. Same thing happens when life killing salt water is splashed onto her. I thought I was watching a snuff film during that scene.
She "dies" to a soviet soldier in mission 45, the soldier takes then her pants off and is prepared to rape her dead corpse. It's just an excuse to get Quiet into her panties. All so the camera can focus on her ass with slow mo shots every 10 seconds while she murders everyone. The transition from horrifying death/possible rape to sexy bad ass sequence in probably the worst tonal shift I've seen in an MGS game to date.
To top it all off, she's not even all that interesting as a character. She makes for an interesting plot/gameplay device, but I really didn't care when she had to leave Mother Base. She could have been so much more interesting, but we really didn't get anything with her.
Wait, are you seriously asking that? Objectively reviewing games is pathetically easy. Just see stuff like http://www.destructoid.com/100-objective-review-final-fantasy-xiii-179178.phtml
It's been 5 years since that, everyone can clearly review objectively.
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It's not very different. What's your point?
Yeah I doubt it as well. The guy on twitter was adamant but wouldn't be the first time someone official from twitter was wrong about this game.
MisterShine
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http://i.imgur.com/qUHXy5n.jpg
Fan comic ending of Phantom Pain... quite good. Prepare to hop on the feelings train.
Fan comic ending of Phantom Pain... quite good. Prepare to hop on the feelings train.
I would say the simple fact that we're here, on a message board about video game discussion means we all believe at least somewhat in a shared, communicable appreciation that goes beyond individual - or subjective - interest.
But I just wanted to respond to that dude playing the "subjective" card.
You're gone way too abstract; I don't even know what you're saying anymore. I can tell you I never divided gameplay and art. If you think I did you should take another read.
Again, I like this, but I'd have preferred V hating BB.
Thank you for sharing that. I thought my brain was going to explode for a second before clicking your link.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Still trying to decide if Quiet or B&B's are worse. Probably Quiet, the rain scene gives her an edge
It's exactly how I feel. There are disappointments regarding story but this is by far my favorite game of the year so far.
I don't see why people are getting bent out of shape about it then.
IMO the game got good reviews because the gameplay is really good.
I didn't like the story because it had no impact on the overal story, didn't really explain anything and the twist was pretty pointless. The story was clearly in the background here and playing was more important. Which is very not MGSlike.
But as a non MGSfan playing the game without these expectations I think most would find it fine. And I think the reviewers were doing just that. Reviewing the game as a just another game and not an MGS game compared to the others.
Not sure if my point comes across
MetroidPrimeRib
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But they did have sexy photoshoots for him
Those B&B "photoshoots" though
Wasn't helping either that there was a lot of intense sexual moaning during those sequences
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