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"Haha..... my mission is over...ishmael... i mean...big boss....................." *gets picked up by Punished Angel Quiet*
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"Haha..... my mission is over...ishmael... i mean...big boss....................." *gets picked up by Punished Angel Quiet*
Dr Duncan Steel
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Mission 45 is garbage. Anyone know how to make it not garbage?
The problem with reading the reviews in this way is the perception that 5 stars or a 10/10 means perfect. It often doesn't, most editorial staff realize that there is no such thing as a perfect game, so if the mechanics are so strong, but the story is average -- one can outweigh the other and give the game their highest rating if those mechanics are especially spectacular.
I'm not really arguing you here; I just want clarification...
How can we be anything but subjective when talking about our feelings regarding whether MGSV was a successful game or not?
Why can't MGSV be regarded as art, is what I'm getting at. For the medium it's in, I'd say it definitely is art considering its emergent gameplay.
You invited me to play the subjective card by trying to dismiss the gameplay and analyze MGSV as "art." Once you go down that road then you really have no basis whatsoever to be miffed at positive reviews of MGSV. Especially since your claim that they only analyzed the game as a toy is totally wrong, as anyone who read the reviews can see.
For the record, I really don't know the degree to which the game succeeds at art. It confused me more than it moved me. It just feels like you're angry that you had a different experience than the people reviewing the game did.
Air strikes.
Because there are ways to analyze a game that have nothing to do with feelings. Technical performance aside (being the obvious case here) you can always compare MGSV to other games in objective ways such as "different paths to completion" and things like that. So that when you say something like MGSV gives more freedom than any other stealth game, you have a factual basis for doing so.
Agreed.
So does Quiet, overtime Snake pops open the iDroid in the ACC.
Snake just forgot his camera.
synce
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Die a lot and equip the lil chick hat. Or use a trainer if you're on PC.
The Silver
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The fact the B&B unit were all mentally ill and had Drebin beating me over the head with there super tragic backstories made them way way worse than Quiet for me. B&B just felt like straight up exploitation.
If you're just going to dismiss me as angry I'm not going to bother engaging you.
better than kojima ending confirmed
I think both sides of the table would need to write a massive essay to have a fully compelling argument, regarding this. That's a lot to ask of someone on a message board.
If we're trapped on the distinction of "what is art?" -- then we aren't going anywhere.
Let's start at every video game is a piece of art. A good game (or part of a game) is good art, a bad game (or bad part of a game) is bad art. It's such a subjective term, even going and bringing up dictionary definitions to contradict this statement is opposite to the spirit of things, art is the most ambiguous classification something can have.
I understand that this is incredibly reductive, but so is denying somethings qualification as "art".
Let's start at every video game is a piece of art. A good game (or part of a game) is good art, a bad game (or bad part of a game) is bad art. It's such a subjective term, even going and bringing up dictionary definitions to contradict this statement is opposite to the spirit of things, art is the most ambiguous classification something can have.
I understand that this is incredibly reductive, but so is denying somethings qualification as "art".
Hide in the big destroyed building and call airstrikes on everything. You'll probably have to use a rocket launcher on the helicopter which appears near the end, but that's about it.
yo why the fuck is there no camera in this game, shit could be like Afrika 2
PensivePen
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I don't think anyone is trying to say you "can't" regard MGSV as art for its gameplay if you feel so. But that they personally don't (and I'm in agreement).
And that's not even me saying I dislike the game, I think it's pretty fun to play. But just in the same way being fun to watch doesn't necessarily make a movie art, being fun to play doesn't necessarily make a game art.
There's a ton of reasons I think that MGSV is flawed from a game design standpoint, and to go into it would take a long time, more than I'm willing to commit at the moment.
That depends on how to define freedom, but I kinda see what you're getting at.
I didn't dismiss you since I attempted to answer your claims about the reviews treating MGSV as a toy. Sorry if you felt that I was.
Talking about the 10/10 reviews, for example, Gamespot was very positive about the story itself, while IGN (more down on the narrative) praised the way in which the game enabled emergent narrative and "war stories" that arose from gameplay. I suppose you could say that fits in with the toy claim, but then it seems to me like we're really discounting the importance of a sandbox type of freedom in creating a meaningful experience in games that we might call art.
brianmcdoogle
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It's more of a... and I'll just invoke Godwin's law... that sometimes people will say "it's just my opinion that Hitler was an ok guy because he's a vegetarian and a decent painter" with little to no justification.
Art should be justified. Opinions should be justified. If I'm going to say MGSV is the worst game ever, I need to justify it, and conversely the opposite. But so often, people just say their "opinion" with little to no to poor evidence and leave it at that. It's ok to say "I like this" and give no evidence for it, but when you give a judgmental statement of "this is great!" or "this sucks!" and not give any evidence, except hiding hind the shadowy word of "opinion" is bullshit.
"Metal Gear Solid V is the best game ever!".... why? Oh, it's just your opinion? well, that's bullshit.
And so often we try to hide behind our shitty taste with "opinions". I'm glad you like wrestling and consider it art with its storylines and acting or faux athleticism or whatever, but until you express it with thought and heart, it's "your opinion" and that's worth as much as my spit.
In short, lots of people on the internet hide behind "opinion" to hide behind their crappy taste or lack of taste. And, for whatever the reason, people in this "nerd culture" of things excuse "opinion" because, on the internet, they reign supreme.
That's my major issue. Defend your bad taste or lack of taste in arts, and maybe then you'll elevate your taste and subjects. That's what I mean with the defense of "opinions".
It's like saying it's okay to have guilty pleasures. You either have pleasures or you don't. I love Bring it On and will argue that it is a fine movie. I won't say it's crap but I enjoy it anyway.
CambriaRising
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Above is some of the most snobby elitist bullshit I've ever read here.
brianmcdoogle
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I know.
PensivePen
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Why are we still here
EDIT: jezus this just makes me realize the story the trailers made was way more entertaining than the actual game...
just to suffer
MetroidPrimeRib
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Yeah, I think the narrative people tried to piece together from the stories was way better then the actual story we got, lol. For a game thats supposed to be about the fall of grace of Big Boss we got pretty much none of that shit.
Edit: How do I get that last picture for Paz? Is there an eleventh Wandering MB Soldier mission?
PensivePen
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I intentionally avoided watching most of the story trailers, but even if you do that, watching the "Coming in Chapter 2" intro that happens after the first credits sequence is bound to make you think there's a lot more to the story than there actually is.
Come back later and it's in the hallway outside her room.
brianmcdoogle
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There's a picture in the hall right outside her room (should be your left hand side) that you get, but you need to leave Mother Base and/or do a mission to get it to trigger when you return to visit her.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Wolbachia in a nutshell:
I needed that laugh after that stimulating tangent we went down.Wolbachia in a nutshell:
Edit: is that just a generic hotdog he's about to eat?
Dombrowski
is responsible for the well-being of this island.
It's funny how some people are pissed off that they didn't get to play as the big boss in this game.. Do you know that you never played as the real big boss? MGS3, PO, PW, GZ.. All just recollections of the phantom.
PensivePen
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It's all just a simulation Raiden went through anyway.
CambriaRising
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So what's up with the wandering motherbase staff? Are they all in Snake's head as well?
WrenchNinja
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The Elegia trailer was amazing, I was actually starting to believe that the story might be good.
We have Big Boss walking and slowly transforming into a bloody demon. It feels ominous, it feels like the fall of Big Boss is happening. The reality is nothing fucking happens.
Then we have Skull Face's backstory, it makes him seem like he might be a compelling villain, especially with the eerie music playing in the background. This is the kind of villainous speech I expect out of MGS, a talk of ideologies and philosophies. Then we have Ocelot starts talking about what it seems like is Skull Face. It feels like he's really elevating him as a nemesis to Big Boss. The reality, though is we have Skull Face droning on and on in a car ride with weird pauses and with Snake being reactionless.
Then we have Code Talker, he starts talking about language and how a nation can be one. He makes some compelling points. The reality is that he talks a bunch of nonsense about parasites in the game.
Then we have Zero, it makes him seem like he's going to be a huge characters in this, with his allusion to the AIs and finding a way to enact the Boss' will to make the world one, it also feels like he's talking with you. The trailer doesn't show a scene with him, but it feels like they're saving him for a surprise. The reality is we get a bunch of fucking cassette tapes with him.
Graphics Horse
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It's weird I have loads of small animals listed as captured that I don't even remember seeing.
God, the voice overs combined with the imagery in the trailers was so much more interesting than what we got! If only I belonged to universe B, where the game's story was kickass.
Do you think MGS4 was the only game that wasn't a VR mission for Raiden? If so, LMAO!
Kinda serious
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Yes.
This is the darkest, most negative this thread has been since the first one was made. The vitriol in here is palpable. I dunno what happened. People were complaining and voicing their concerns before but apparently MGSV is now Satan. Whatever.
brianmcdoogle
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We all agree Metal Gear Solid: Ghost Babel (GBC) is Raiden VR, right?
Well, it's true.
Didn't you know the rapture is upon us? This is one of the signs.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Men become demons indeed. Kojima was referring to the fan community the whole time!!
Dr Duncan Steel
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Die endlessly even with airstrikes and chicken hat in Mission 45. Talk me out of just YouTubing the ending cause this might be the worst thing I've ever played.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Use weather control device to make a sandstorm and fulton them
I would YouTube the ending no matter what. The story is more compelling knowing the twist ahead of time.
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