Thats why i mentioned his end goal was good, not the stuff he did to achieve it. Also what has solid done that was pretty bad? I cant think of much?
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Thats why i mentioned his end goal was good, not the stuff he did to achieve it. Also what has solid done that was pretty bad? I cant think of much?
plebegamer
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Ok, so after beating the game and getting the Truth, I ran the guantlet of emotions. I felt cheated to be honest. I'm still kinda shocked they didn't let us play as Big Boss at all in what is the final MGS game.
Then I stopped and realized that The Phantom Pain is the basis for the Raiden experiment in MGS2, and I fel a little bit better. Zero set up the entire Phantom Big Boss situation, and this same sort of process would be used on Raiden: His memories were repressed, he was a highly trained soldier before becoming a new Snake, and instead of hypnosis and memory implants, he was taught Snake's skills by VR training.
So Phantom Big Boss was known to the Patriots, and was used as the Template for the Solid Snake Simulation misinformation fed to Ocelot, who would have bought into it wholeheartedly knowing that the Patiot's founder had successfully created a second Big Boss even without Snake's genes.
Essentially genes aren't the most important part of the Snake line. Sufficient training and the self-efficacy that comes with the Snake/Big Boss title seems to be all that's needed to make a great soldier into a legendary soldier.
Then I stopped and realized that The Phantom Pain is the basis for the Raiden experiment in MGS2, and I fel a little bit better. Zero set up the entire Phantom Big Boss situation, and this same sort of process would be used on Raiden: His memories were repressed, he was a highly trained soldier before becoming a new Snake, and instead of hypnosis and memory implants, he was taught Snake's skills by VR training.
So Phantom Big Boss was known to the Patriots, and was used as the Template for the Solid Snake Simulation misinformation fed to Ocelot, who would have bought into it wholeheartedly knowing that the Patiot's founder had successfully created a second Big Boss even without Snake's genes.
Essentially genes aren't the most important part of the Snake line. Sufficient training and the self-efficacy that comes with the Snake/Big Boss title seems to be all that's needed to make a great soldier into a legendary soldier.
If you listen to all of the tapes in the Truth section, I can't even tell who is good and who is bad anymore. The game is a mind fuck, and it's sad that it isn't even finished. Mission 51 doesn't even add any closure - Ocelot tells Kaz they were fuckin him the whole time and all he says is "We'll have to get used to coexisting then" and that's it. Fkn BB riding into the sunset on a bike with a cigar and Kojima isn't there to end the series the way this game was meant to .. ..
digitalflame
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So is there anyway to get the goggles from the promo art?
If you listen to all of the tapes in the Truth section, I can't even tell who is good and who is bad anymore. The game is a mind fuck, and it's sad that it isn't even finished. Mission 51 doesn't even add any closure - Ocelot tells Kaz they were fuckin him the whole time and all he says is "We'll have to get used to coexisting then" and that's it. Fkn BB riding into the sunset on a bike with a cigar and Kojima isn't there to end the series the way this game was meant to .. ..
Zero did nothing wrong.
If you listen to all of the tapes in the Truth section, I can't even tell who is good and who is bad anymore. The game is a mind fuck, and it's sad that it isn't even finished. Mission 51 doesn't even add any closure - Ocelot tells Kaz they were fuckin him the whole time and all he says is "We'll have to get used to coexisting then" and that's it. Fkn BB riding into the sunset on a bike with a cigar and Kojima isn't there to end the series the way this game was meant to .. ..
Huey
Tecl0n, you're right, that's how I see it anyway. Actually the only thing he really did "wrong" IMO is his interpretation of what The Boss wanted, with the complete control of information (which we knew about with The Patriots) as he specifically mentions in the files. Nobody did anything wrong, except SIGINT.
yeah Huey is a psychopath. Kind of weird that he cops so much torture and abuse from Ocelot and Kaz, but it takes Hal smanging his wife for him to kill himself??
yeah Huey is a psychopath. Kind of weird that he cops so much torture and abuse from Ocelot and Kaz, but it takes Hal smanging his wife for him to kill himself??
Think thats partly the point Kojima tried to make. You can be your own human being and do whatever you want despite your genes/family heritage.
Also hate what they did with liquid, wish he was never in this game and i hate te whole idea of clearly not psycho mantis being best buds with liquid since they were kids.
"Whale DLC" Did this guy not play the intro?
Anyway cool Punished Whale™ spirit model.
I think the difference here is you're just some Medic, Raiden was raised by Solidus as a child soldier and his kill count was through the roof add to that all the VR missions he went through when working for Foxhound and it's entirely plausible he can fight as well as Snake.
Still a soldier of MSF, with training, but who's specialized as a Medic.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Sahelanthropus looks awesome on Extreme, nice black.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
According to Campbell whatever Snake has done is bad enough to have him locked up "for a very long time", Psycho Mantis seemed to echo this sentiment.
latched onto venom
when he's latched onto volgin his sleeves goes aflame, when he latches onto eli he gets a weird red thing on one shoulder to match eli's dumb red thing
razzmahtazz
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I think its more pertinent that Eli is the stand-in for the child soldiers given that he hates fact he has to live up to a fate he didnt want. It didnt matter that he was a clone or a super soldier or whatever, all that matters is they trained a child to be a soldier and that shit bleeds forward.
Maybe you were looking for the "this stuff is effed up" "dead child character that we were supposed to be attached to" visuals and I would understand if thats what you thought was lacking.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Whoever's lust for revenge is strongest is the person he helps.
In the prologue it was Big Boss, therefore he has a horn.
Eh, I just think it's too difficult to think of Eli as a character in that sense because he's too tainted by the fact that he's very obviously Liquid. Any function he would have as a representative of being a child soldier is overpowered by the fact of him being this important established character in the series.
They also don't really talk too much about his past and how anybody feels about it besides that Eli is angry.
FlutterPuffs
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The dumb red thing is a red beret right? The type the enemy commanders in the game wear.
A child commander wore it too in a mission.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Venom Snake*
plebegamer
Banned
The Medic was one of the best soldiers in the entire MSF outfit, and he had roughly 9 years of suggestion and memories of Big Boss force fed to him while he was in his long (sedated?) coma. It's like a primative form of the VR training Raiden underwent, and the success of Phantom Big Boss may have been the thing that led to the creation of the soldier Raiden.
I also like how the ending establishes why Miller would be against Big Boss in the Zanzibar Land incident, working for the Patriots in order to fuck with Big Boss. It puts Ocelot as his most likely killer, and firmly pits Ocelot against Solid Snake and tying his allegiance to Liquid and Solidus.
Man, I really love how Solid Snake was pretty much the inadvertent villain for the entire series, and each game that has come out since MGS2 has highlighted that a little more each time.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
remember when you thought flaming volgan was a telepathic apparition conjured by baby mantis, drawn from the deep recesses of big boss's psyche, his history, and the demons that haunt him
and then it turned out to be a literally physical embodiment of volgan from his brain dead corpse's will for revenge via mantis
and then it turned out to be a literally physical embodiment of volgan from his brain dead corpse's will for revenge via mantis
PW Big Boss: Soldiers will never again be used as tools of governments, fighting for their own sakes, blah blah blah
MGSV Big Boss: So this guy's been most my loyal and best soldier (i'll tell you this in an audiotape lol), let's use him as a tool without telling him so I can go build a nation
MGSV Big Boss: So this guy's been most my loyal and best soldier (i'll tell you this in an audiotape lol), let's use him as a tool without telling him so I can go build a nation
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
MSF soldier #492*
The Broken Ska Record
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Yup, because revenge lives on.
plebegamer
Banned
Well the guy did sacrifice his life to save the man he was fanatically devoted to, and in return became his biggest hero, built part of a legend, got super rich, and came into control of one of the world's most powerful armies.
I'd say that's a sweet deal.
maybe dude had a wife and kids or something tho. Who knows. More of the point is that BB did a complete 180 on his ideals for some reason
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
This sounds really dumb on paper, but the way it was written was actually pretty good, and felt believable for the MGS series. It also further cemented Mantis as a victim.
Dick Justice
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Or Big Boss.
Ben from GT said he called himself GreyFox then forgot about it, so during that moment, he just was so confused for a few seconds.
Stallion Dan
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Is easy to get, just dispose of all the nukes on your formats FOBs.
razzmahtazz
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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Moreso when it was already done without your behest
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
That's the point, Les Enfants Terribles is fundamentally flawed. Being a good soldier or becoming a legend isn't written in your genes. David, Eli and George, while all similar in various ways, turned out to be their own men, despite being clones of Jack/Big Boss. Liquid's downfall was letting his genes control his life - a big part of the message of MGS1 was that he put his mind in the wrong place and focused on the wrong things. MGS2 took it a step further and showed outright that you don't need to be Snake to be a Snake-like soldier.
TPP is the ultimate realization of this not only because it sets the basis for what The Patriots would later do with Raiden, but because out of the four Snakes that come from Big Boss/Naked, the only one he accepts as his successor is Venom, his comrade from MSF who fought alongside him and shared his ideals. Venom is the only one who's not a genetic clone, but also the only one who takes over the title of Boss. BB writes off Eli and David and may have not even ever known about George.
wow, i thought it was volgin the whole time during the prologue. That's why the whale ate the helicopter, it was Venom's doing in a certain way.
Now the questions left are "what was that hole in chico chest?", "is kaz really blind?" and "why we should be careful to kaz as code talker said?"
the rest of the answers are in mission 51. Oh yeah, and that "it's not over yet".
Maybe the hole in Chicos chest was an early version of the vocal cord parasite.
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Not sure how it fits into the timeline. Possible. If Skullface is in Cube though that probably means he hasn't been exiled to Africa yet, but maybe he was clandestinely visiting despite Zero's edict. He definitely hadn't attacked Zero yet though.
The Broken Ska Record
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If that's true, then he should have realized that way early on. No, I think he just ran out of steam.
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