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[Venom Fox]

Mantis and Quiet were sent by Skull Face to kill BB. Mantis saw the body of Sokolov in the hospital and latched onto his hatred turning him into the Man on Fire. This is why he was going crazy, and killing the Cipher soldiers. They attacked him first because they'd never seen him an figured he was a threat.

MoF was abandoned by Mantis when he saw his brother Eli who had even more rage and hatred for Mantis to leech.

Soooo wrong. Did you even play the game?
MoF is Sokolov? Mantis is Big Boss's clone? What? WHAT?

 

[Arkanius]

Huey played you liked a

Spoiler

wolbachia mutation

. His people manipulating skills rival ocelot. I feel like the AI Pod and shooting skull face in the face skull would be enough to consider him capable. And I would apply occam's razor to the quarantine thing and Ground Zeroes incident. This is all most likely his fault.

When he shot Skull Face in the face, it looked like the first time he killed someone
He was happy that he managed to do it, since he was his captor for 9 years.

It seems to go against the fact that he killed Strangelove by placing her in a Pod and letting her rot everyday. I find that... hard to believe, by a spineless guy like him.

I believe he was the culprit on the Mutation though.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Nope and it's completely unobtainable legally today, what's hilarious is it's also still canon.

Basically the tales of snake and otacon before 2 but after 1 when they're in philanthropy.

Ah damn. I still have my n-Gage. Would have been fun to try and play.

 

[Resilient]

Yes, but to remove a bomb... I suppose he could have cut her open further after having just done that once, but I don't know the situation was very tense. It's not like he was "FISTING HER!" he was removing a fucking bomb which was stupid as fuck to have been there in the first place... but honestly... the removal bit is a lame thing to be angry about.

that didn't happen. the Paz scenes aren't real, Imposter Snake is going to a "Under Construction" room the whole time and projecting; he is hallucinating because he feels bad that he couldn't save Paz. The ex-MB soldier photos are triggering it. BB got triggered.

 

[Zabant]

Ah damn. I still have my n-Gage. Would have been fun to try and play.

Google is your friend and i'll leave it at that.

 

[BotchPoppaPump]

I have always been amazed by the cult of personality that's cropped up around Kojima over the years. He's kind of an ignorant clown. Some of the stuff in Metal Gear is amazing and, at times, even somewhat insightful. But huge chunks of it are overly-long, drawn out nonsense blathering on about things that aren't intelligent in the least. Even worse, some stuff is legitimately offensive, like his treatment of women, to the point that it makes me not even want to play his games. The fact that he thinks anything about Quiet is well-written or paradigm-shifting is genuinely sad.

Isn't his appeal rooted in the fact that he's both a genius who can act like an idiot and also an idiot who can stumble onto genius? He seems to occupy a space where he is both reviled and lauded at the same time. He incites (often heated) debate, if nothing else. Like you say, cult of personality. Exactly that.

 

[Ran rp]

definitely update the GIF to suit Fake Snake.

and yeah I tried to believe the Quiet stuff was gonna have some deep meaning but it didn't
and the rain dancing scene was just fucking stupid and ruined it for me
still liked the character though but it was a real missed opportunity and a massive fuck you to women in gaming.

The shower scene seemed like a pure, unfiltered "fuck you" to me. I don't know why I was shocked by it, especially after the Paz stuff in GZ. I guess I didn't think Kojima would be so blatant about it.

 

[The Silver]

When he shot Skull Face in the face, it looked like the first time he killed someone
He was happy that he managed to do it, since he was his captor for 9 years.

It seems to go against the fact that he killed Strangelove by placing her in a Pod and letting her rot everyday. I find that... hard to believe, by a spineless guy like him.

I believe he was the culprit on the Mutation though.

locking her in the pod is exactly the sort of thing a spineless coward would do. He couldn't kill her face to face and he took the bitch way out.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

I have always been amazed by the cult of personality that's cropped up around Kojima over the years. He's kind of an ignorant clown. Some of the stuff in Metal Gear is amazing and, at times, even somewhat insightful. But huge chunks of it are overly-long, drawn out nonsense blathering on about things that aren't intelligent in the least. Even worse, some stuff is legitimately offensive, like his treatment of women, to the point that it makes me not even want to play his games. The fact that he thinks anything about Quiet is well-written or paradigm-shifting is genuinely sad.

I mostly agree with you. Kojima created The Boss, and I think that really boosts his image for people, but as I said in my other post, every game (with the exception of MGS2, I think) has gross sexualization of women, and they've all gotten worse in each installment culminating in the horrid treatment of every female character in MGSV.

The Boss doesn't excuse everything else.

Soooo wrong. Did you even play the game?
MoF is Sokolov? Mantis is Big Boss's clone? What? WHAT?

Man on Fire is Chico.

Farewell, burnt sausage.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

When he shot Skull Face in the face, it looked like the first time he killed someone
He was happy that he managed to do it, since he was his captor for 9 years.

It seems to go against the fact that he killed Strangelove by placing her in a Pod and letting her rot everyday. I find that... hard to believe, by a spineless guy like him.

I believe he was the culprit on the Mutation though.

The recording doesn't lie.

He was always a spineless shit, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have it in him to do horrible shit to other people.

Why are people so caught up on this? Of course he called Skull Face to get out of Mother Base, Skull Face says, "I refuse to be judged by the likes of you" and openly says how he's going to be absolutely destroyed by Snake and Co. for what he did.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

MGS4's divisiveness is that it was Metal Gear dialed up to 11, for better or worse. Long ass cutscenes, ridiculous plot twists every five minutes, wacky over the top shit happening almost directly before or after "serious" developments, core gameplay that's mechanically sound and interesting when they actually let you play it and not interrupting it with story and endless gimmick gameplay sections. For people who disliked it, it was like being somebody who liked bacon getting sick of it after everyone started putting pounds of it in everything.


MGSV's divisiveness is that it has a lot of un-Metal Gear-like attributes that can grate or catch you off guard, especially if you hadn't played or disliked Metal Gear. Missions that feed you the plot piecemeal if at all, no cast of memorable villainous baddies to fight, Silent Snake in cutscenes, the big final Metal Gear showdown and end of the big bad just sorta happening and then more stuff, the real big twist is just plopped in your lap at the end without any real exploration of it. To use another food analogy, like ordering your favorite dish at your favorite restaurant on the verge of shutting down, only to discover that they replaced a bunch of ingredients and sides with healthier alternatives. It might still taste great on its own, and to many it might be more palatable than the original, but to you you can't help but feel like it wasn't as filling and tasty.

 

[BotchPoppaPump]

Soooo wrong. Did you even play the game?
MoF is Sokolov? Mantis is Big Boss's clone? What? WHAT?

Isn't there a tape reference to Mantis being the "Third Child"?

 

[Arkanius]

The recording doesn't lie.

He was always a spineless shit, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have it in him to do horrible shit to other people.

Why are people so caught up on this? Of course he called Skull Face to get out of Mother Base, Skull Face says, "I refuse to be judged by the likes of you" and openly says how he's going to be absolutely destroyed by Snake and Co. for what he did.

I didn't caught this
Oh well

Spineless shit status confirmed.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Mantis and Quiet were sent by Skull Face to kill BB. Mantis saw the body of Sokolov in the hospital and latched onto his hatred turning him into the Man on Fire. This is why he was going crazy, and killing the Cipher soldiers. They attacked him first because they'd never seen him an figured he was a threat.

MoF was abandoned by Mantis when he saw his brother Eli who had even more rage and hatred for Mantis to leech.

rofl, wow dude you are sooooo off base.

I can't tell if this is like a joke, but if not you need to listen to some tapes.

 

[Venom Fox]

Isn't there a tape reference to Mantis being the "Third Child"?

The third child to be experimented on, not the third clone, which would have been Solidus anyway.

 

[Henkka]

When he shot Skull Face in the face, it looked like the first time he killed someone
He was happy that he managed to do it, since he was his captor for 9 years.

It seems to go against the fact that he killed Strangelove by placing her in a Pod and letting her rot everyday. I find that... hard to believe, by a spineless guym like him.

I believe he was the culprit on the Mutation though.

I interpreted him killing Skullface as erasing a witness to his betrayal of MB. Yelling out "revenge" like he's one of the guys

 

[Broken Joystick]

I mostly agree with you. Kojima created The Boss, and I think that really boosts his image for people, but as I said in my other post, every game (with the exception of MGS2, I think) has gross sexualization of women, and they've all gotten worse in each installment culminating in the horrid treatment of every female character in MGSV.

The Boss doesn't excuse everything else.

Even Kojima couldn't continue on The Boss' will.

 

[robotoboy20]

that didn't happen. the Paz scenes aren't real, Imposter Snake is going to a "Under Construction" room the whole time and projecting; he is hallucinating because he feels bad that he couldn't save Paz. The ex-MB soldier photos are triggering it. BB got triggered.

I know that. I'm talking about the cutscene and being offended by it.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I think Quiet could have been a really great character in the hands of someone who didn't have the mentality of a 14 year old boy. Oh well at least she's the best buddy...lol

Huey is a total bitch and every scene he was in just a made me angrier and angrier knowing that his arc in this game wouldn't end with me putting two in his dome.

 

[Hellwarden]

I don't know, I always considered Eva to be fine.

She's a character who is largely in control of her sexuality, and uses it to manipulate people around her. Are certain parts of Snake Eater uncomfortable, sure, but they do a good job of making her a character on her own.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

I interpreted him killing Skullface as erasing a witness to his betrayal of MB. Yelling out "revenge" like he's one of the guys

It came across as intentionally heavy handed.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

Even Kojima couldn't continue on The Boss' will.

Also, what's up with the random soldiers on Mother Base talking about Boss and Eva having some sort of romantic or sexual relationship?

 

[plebegamer]

I can understand the feeling of the game being incomplete from the lack of closure on the Eli/Sahelanthropous story just fucking right off, but the rest is pretty solid and well wrapped up when you realize TPP is just a tool to set up the time line as understood in MGS4.

It explains Grey Fox's absence, why he would go to Outter Heaven, and why he would be on Big Boss's side in Zanzibar Land.

It explains why miller would suddenly be present in MG2 instead of being part of Intrude N313, and makes a lot of sense on how Liquid and Ocelot would know about miller and want to kill him for MGS.

It shows how Big Boss descended into madness while also staying the greatest fucking saint in the world. Phantom Big Boss went renegade after that PTSD from the Quarantine chamber, while real Big Boss kept working in the background to oppose Donald Anderson's new Patriots.

Throughout all of this, it managed to do the twist reveal extremely well, the only shitty part was plying through that entire mssion again instead of breezing through or just doing the important bits. The signs were all there if you were looking for them: Ishmael's voice, abilities, and comments, Snake not knowing Russian which he was extremely fluent in (Which Ocelot tries to cover it up with a lie?), Phantom Big Boss had no real reaction to the Boss's voice, while real Big Boss would have had a PTSD attack, Volgin suddenly backs off when getting up close and personal with Phantom Big Boss because he realizes it's not his enemy, the DNA test was a 0% match for someone we knew was obviously Big Boss's clone.

Also, Quiet knew the whole time that she was dealing with Phantom Big Boss. She knew it wasn't Big Boss when she was sent to assassinate the real one, claiming the guy next to the real one saw her face and then proceeded to strangle him face to facel, getting a good look at the fact Phantom Big Boss had a damn horn. Years later, she'd fail to kill him again. He spared her, stopped her from committing suicide, abducted her, and was literally the only person to treat her like a human being on all of Mother Base. You have Lima and Stockholm Syndrome at work here, on top of Phantom Big Boss being a pretty decent guy all around, rich, powerful, charismatic, and supremely confident. They even work together a lot on the field sharing foxholes together so to speak. Hell, with all that I'd want to fuck the man too.

Overall, it's a great story that's true to the MGS themes. It's disjointed in its presentation, and left a little incomplete following the shitstorm at Konami. Just because it was told poorly, which was possibly out of Kojia's hands due to working conditions, doesn't mean you can't step away and appreciate how well constructed it is. TPP sets a rock solid foundation for future events, and had an ending that will stick with most of us forever.

 

[Intheflorsh]

At the end, even the boss ran around with her top unzipped. Yes, I know it was emotional.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I don't know, I always considered Eva to be fine.

She's a character who is largely in control of her sexuality, and uses it to manipulate people around her. Are certain parts of Snake Eater uncomfortable, sure, but they do a good job of making her a character on her own.

her entire thing is completely justifiable considering she uses it to completely betray Big Boss at the end and steal the legacy (which was fake but that's no important)

She was a bond girl who played John like a fool.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I have always been amazed by the cult of personality that's cropped up around Kojima over the years. He's kind of an ignorant clown. Some of the stuff in Metal Gear is amazing and, at times, even somewhat insightful. But huge chunks of it are overly-long, drawn out nonsense blathering on about things that aren't intelligent in the least. Even worse, some stuff is legitimately offensive, like his treatment of women, to the point that it makes me not even want to play his games. The fact that he thinks anything about Quiet is well-written or paradigm-shifting is genuinely sad.

Fully agree, Kojima has flashes of smarts filled with tons of stuff a kid going through puberty comes up with.

 

[akidnamededdy]

At the end, even the boss ran around with her top unzipped. Yes, I know it was emotional.

People throw this out there to, I dunno, try and discredit just how great The Boss was as a character, but there was really nothing titillating at all about The Boss showing off her jagged ass scars.

There's plenty of evidence that Kojima doesn't know what the fuck to do with female characters without trying to drag down The Boss, is what I'm saying.

 

[Makoto Yuki]

Isn't his appeal rooted in the fact that he's both a genius who can act like an idiot and also an idiot who can stumble onto genius? He seems to occupy a space where he is both reviled and lauded at the same time. He incites (often heated) debate, if nothing else. Like you say, cult of personality. Exactly that.

That cult of personality that defends him feverishly is what bothers me. Sure his games can incite debate, but most of it tends to be really stupid.

 

[BotchPoppaPump]

I mostly agree with you. Kojima created The Boss, and I think that really boosts his image for people, but as I said in my other post, every game (with the exception of MGS2, I think) has gross sexualization of women, and they've all gotten worse in each installment culminating in the horrid treatment of every female character in MGSV.

The Boss doesn't excuse everything else.

And The Boss isn't even all that great of a female character. And I only mean in the sense of variety. She's just a mother. Mothers or sex objects, the two default things for a woman to be. It's still limited.

 

[robotoboy20]

Also, what's up with the random soldiers on Mother Base talking about Boss and Eva having some sort of romantic or sexual relationship?

The Boss was bisexual. It's implied that Strangelove may have been a partner to The Boss at some point in Peace Walker. The Boss is like the only character I absolutely love. My second favorite character is Raiden. Go figure I end up not even like Solid Snake, or Big Boss that much lol. I kind of like Solid Snake though, he seemed like a good person.

And The Boss isn't even all that great of a female character. And I only mean in the sense of variety. She's just a mother. Mothers or sex objects, the two default things for a woman to be. It's still limited.

Not really. Kind of.. yes... but not really. She is a mother, and she did have her child taken from her. However she lived by her own standards, and she died a martyr. Women don't often get to be the central jesus figure in anything like this. She's tough as fuck, and she made her own choices. She's a very well written character. Wrought with loss, and he own will. A will so strong she influences her colleagues to "carry" it on... She's a great female character by Japanese standards. The issue is that she's basically the ONLY good female character... everyone else is just a piece of sexy eye-candy. The Boss was a good character, but I suspect Kojima didn't write her.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Fully agree, Kojima has flashes of smarts filled with tons of stuff a kid going through puberty comes up with.

Kojima's name had three amazing games with really great plots and characters.

Then he went along and had MGS4 which was a character assassination on every MGS character, but I forgave him because people wanted answers and that was going to happen when you try to deal with MGS2 literally.

Then he made Peace Walker and I gave him a break because it was a mobile game, even if the story was really bad I couldn't fault the level design.

Then MGSV came out and the gameplay is amazing but once again the story is really bad with horribly stale characters and almost zero character arc in anyone or even a story arc that's paced properly.

Three strikes, Kojima is out in my eyes.

 

[Mass One]

When he shot Skull Face in the face, it looked like the first time he killed someone
He was happy that he managed to do it, since he was his captor for 9 years.

It seems to go against the fact that he killed Strangelove by placing her in a Pod and letting her rot everyday. I find that... hard to believe, by a spineless guy like him.

I believe he was the culprit on the Mutation though.

I feel like he's spineless, opportunist but I'm not seeing it your way. He killed skull face, a immobile, defenseless phantom. At any time during his tenure with XOF, I feel he could a created a way out of there but decided to stay because like a parasite needed a host to complete his science

Strangleove-
Some lies have a kernel of truth. Strangelove probably fell in but Huey decided to just close the hatch. He saw a opportunity to achieve a outcome he wanted and took it. He's too much a of coward to push Strangelove in there. Because in his mind, then he would be responsible. It's not about what appears right to others but whenther it's right in his mind.

 

[Salaadin]

What really gets me is that Miller straight up tells him to shoot the shit out of the kids in that cutscene. But Big Medic being the demon all around nice guy that he is decides against it.

Then suddenly he's against harming kids half a minute later.

Are you talking about the mission where you have to escort the 4 child soldiers out? Because I don't think Miller is advocating the killing of those kids there...

 

[Jawmuncher]

Are you talking about the mission where you have to escort the 4 child soldiers out? Because I don't think Miller is advocating the killing of those kids there...

It sounded like it to me. That 180 was odd to me, unless I misheard.

 

[jett]

Pop up from behind cover quickly to get her to take a shot and then snipe her when she's reloading. There's no real tactics beyond that.

Everyone recommends this tactic.

It's a pain in the ass!



I've tried this, got her to 50% then died. It's just really annoying.

 

[Dick Justice]

*facepalm* my bad. Completely missed that part. I apologize.

Apology accepted.

At least they have some toys

Y'know, it wasn't until those action figures that I realised that Solidus actually had a beard in MGS2, rather than thick stubble.

 

[Henkka]

And The Boss isn't even all that great of a female character. And I only mean in the sense of variety. She's just a mother. Mothers or sex objects, the two default things for a woman to be. It's still limited.

I think it's fantastic how the Boss still had a definite feminine side. So many stories that have tough female soldiers simply don't take gender into account at all and make them act like men with boobs. Eva is a great character as well. That's what is so frustrating about the B&B squad and Quiet, they feel like they were designed by someone completely different. I gave Kojima the benefit of doubt on Quiet because he made MGS3 and was sorely let down.

 

[jediyoshi]

It sounded like it to me. That 180 was odd to me, unless I misheard.

Weren't they both deliberately acting it up because they were recording Snake's feed?

 

[Finalow]

He's Japanese... I don't think he has any clue what western society looks like. BTW Japanese feminism is pretty different than ours. I'm not saying what he did was right, because it was gross as hell.. but he's from another country... and he's not all that cultured to be honest. MGS is what he thinks the west looks like.

 

[Dick Justice]

her entire thing is completely justifiable considering she uses it to completely betray Big Boss at the end and steal the legacy (which was fake but that's no important)

She was a bond girl who played John like a fool.

I always liked how she used her giant tits to make Snake forget that she never knew the passphrase.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Isn't there a tape reference to Mantis being the "Third Child"?

Thats nothing to do with Le enacts terribles

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Isn't there a tape reference to Mantis being the "Third Child"?

That nothing to do with LES

Yeah. Dumb name but he is not Solidus.

 

[Resilient]

I can understand the feeling of the game being incomplete from the lack of closure on the Eli/Sahelanthropous story just fucking right off, but the rest is pretty solid and well wrapped up when you realize TPP is just a tool to set up the time line as understood in MGS4.

It explains Grey Fox's absence, why he would go to Outter Heaven, and why he would be on Big Boss's side in Zanzibar Land.

It explains why miller would suddenly be present in MG2 instead of being part of Intrude N313, and makes a lot of sense on how Liquid and Ocelot would know about miller and want to kill him for MGS.

It shows how Big Boss descended into madness while also staying the greatest fucking saint in the world. Phantom Big Boss went renegade after that PTSD from the Quarantine chamber, while real Big Boss kept working in the background to oppose Donald Anderson's new Patriots.

Throughout all of this, it managed to do the twist reveal extremely well, the only shitty part was plying through that entire mssion again instead of breezing through or just doing the important bits. The signs were all there if you were looking for them: Ishmael's voice, abilities, and comments, Snake not knowing Russian which he was extremely fluent in (Which Ocelot tries to cover it up with a lie?), Phantom Big Boss had no real reaction to the Boss's voice, while real Big Boss would have had a PTSD attack, Volgin suddenly backs off when getting up close and personal with Phantom Big Boss because he realizes it's not his enemy, the DNA test was a 0% match for someone we knew was obviously Big Boss's clone.

Also, Quiet knew the whole time that she was dealing with Phantom Big Boss. She knew it wasn't Big Boss when she was sent to assassinate the real one, claiming the guy next to the real one saw her face and then proceeded to strangle him face to facel, getting a good look at the fact Phantom Big Boss had a damn horn. Years later, she'd fail to kill him again. He spared her, stopped her from committing suicide, abducted her, and was literally the only person to treat her like a human being on all of Mother Base. You have Lima and Stockholm Syndrome at work here, on top of Phantom Big Boss being a pretty decent guy all around, rich, powerful, charismatic, and supremely confident. They even work together a lot on the field sharing foxholes together so to speak. Hell, with all that I'd want to fuck the man too.

Overall, it's a great story that's true to the MGS themes. It's disjointed in its presentation, and left a little incomplete following the shitstorm at Konami. Just because it was told poorly, which was possibly out of Kojia's hands due to working conditions, doesn't mean you can't step away and appreciate how well constructed it is. TPP sets a rock solid foundation for future events, and had an ending that will stick with most of us forever.

this is a great post, but I think everyone is still super salty we didn't get to play as the real Big Boss. at least that's how i feel

 

[plebegamer]

It sounded like it to me. That 180 was odd to me, unless I misheard.

They were recording it to send to their client. It was an act to make it seem like they assassinated the children so the warlord would pay them and stop pursuing the kids.

 

[Intheflorsh]

People throw this out there to, I dunno, try and discredit just how great The Boss was as a character, but there was really nothing titillating at all about The Boss showing off her jagged ass scars.

There's plenty of evidence that Kojima doesn't know what the fuck to do with female characters without trying to drag down The Boss, is what I'm saying.

I don't know, I think when you cross-reference all of the other MGS female characters with the exact same kind of cleavage who were absolutely supposed to be sexy, I'm not so sure you can easily say it wasn't at least intended to be titillating.

Not that I think she's all that great of a character anyways.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

Isn't there a tape reference to Mantis being the "Third Child"?

Everyone recommends this tactic.

It's a pain in the ass!



I've tried this, got her to 50% then died. It's just really annoying.

Quiet extreme? Bring D-Dog and rocket fist. Get in close to about 40 meters and use rocket punch on her. If your aim is on point, the rocket fist should hit her even after you lose control from going out of range. Use the cardboard box if you absolutely have to go out in the open because it will tank a shot for you before it breaks. Keep rocket punching. Take your time and prone to her position and stay behind cover as much as possible. Eventually she will have to go in water to heal. Run up to her with bionic arm equipped and do the super sprint punch to take off half her stamina. You should finish her off with a kick to the stomach. Good way to get all the tasks too since it's a non firearm tactic.

 

[BotchPoppaPump]

Yeah. Dumb name but he is not Solidus.

Okey dokey.

 

[Zomba13]

It sounded like it to me. That 180 was odd to me, unless I misheard.

He says something like "you know what you have to do" and then later implies it was all for the reccording for the person who gave them the mission. He says something like "that will be enough to convince the client. The Client wanted Diamond Dogs to eliminate those prisoners, DD seem to record audio of ever mission so that implies that it was enough to fool the client. Client hears discussion about kids in the cell, Miller says "you know what you have to do", gunshots, end recording. Jobs done, kids dead, DD gets paid while in reality BB shot a bucket and saved the kids lives.

 

[Reebot]

Please, stop flailing. Trying to create a semantic straw man based on the specificity of a 3-act structure isn't going to fly when you know damn well the point at hand is the validity of linear versus fragmented narratives.

And no, I didn't jump to insult. I merely questioned the validity of the complaint in a casual -albeit offhand- manner. Which I think was deserved and you have yet to demonstrate otherwise.

Uh, no its not. Dude you've gone off the rails - I never once said anything about linear v. fragmented narratives. Nor implied, or hinted, or anything.

I said the story is incomplete. It is. Completely unrelated to this irrelevant linear thing you've brought up twice now.

Uh and lol at "semantic strawman." Literally what you did, not me.

 

[robotoboy20]

I don't get it.