I did it after.
But that's a good way of looking at it, too. Great interpretation.
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I did it after.
But that's a good way of looking at it, too. Great interpretation.
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If they do a MG1/2 remake, I want them to go all in and cast all the actors who they blatantly based all the character designs from MG2 off of. Mel Gibson as Snake, Sean Connery as Big Boss, etc.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
They had to be working together in Outer Heaven, because once V went down Boss pretended he was dead for four years. That could just be him wanting to save face or taking advantage of being wiped off the map (or that could have been the intent all along, making him more of a jerk). The way the final scene is played out makes it seem like the two of them together form a single will as "Big Boss", though.
Just let it go. I'd rather see Kojima do something new already. A weapon to surpass metal gear.
Zabant
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What the fuck did your incredibly rude question regarding an implied issue you think I have with with my father based on a forum post have to do with a thread discussing the story of MGSV?
I'm done with you.
KOMANI
KOMANI
That was MGS4, MGSV gives us more questions than answers, like:
Who died in 1941 that upset the Boss?
Why would Liquid trust Ocelot in his unit?
EmCeeGramr
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The Missing Link between MGS3 and Portable Ops where BB meets Gray Fox for the first time in Africa and there's a bunch of stuff about how The Boss discovered 'some kind of mysterious biological weapon"
The Missing Link between Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes, where Big Boss goes on a mission to Mexico and meets a young Decoy Octopus who already has ultra disguise powers and then he mentions that Zero researched him and said "surgical disguises, huh"
The Missing Link between Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain, where real Big Boss, while waiting for Venom to wake up, got bored and went on an adventure in his bandages and met a younger Vamp
The Missing Link between Metal Gear NES and Snake's Revenge, where Lt. Solid Snake discovers a portal to another universe and ends up meeting The Boss in the 1930s and inspiring her future views
The Missing Link between Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes, where Big Boss goes on a mission to Mexico and meets a young Decoy Octopus who already has ultra disguise powers and then he mentions that Zero researched him and said "surgical disguises, huh"
The Missing Link between Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain, where real Big Boss, while waiting for Venom to wake up, got bored and went on an adventure in his bandages and met a younger Vamp
The Missing Link between Metal Gear NES and Snake's Revenge, where Lt. Solid Snake discovers a portal to another universe and ends up meeting The Boss in the 1930s and inspiring her future views
PC players would hate you
Someone mentioned the idea that Gray Fox was sent to deliver the tape to Phantom Big Boss.
The fact that BB sent the tape in the first place suggests the two of them were still working together. Or maybe it is like Zero and BB; they weren't working together, but still cared about each other, and BB had the decency of saying "hey, I am sending my clone in to bring you down. Sorry bro, my hands are tied".
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Out of that list this seems the most plausible to happen in an MGS game.
plebegamer
Banned
So they planned Operation Intrude N313 for a decade?
I love it because Kaz said he was going to back Phantom Big Boss to fuck with real Big Boss, and in the end Phantom Big Boss may have been working with real Big Boss
I guess you could say...
THEY PLAYED HIM LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!
Zombie James
Banned
That's the implication as you can hear commotion going on outside.
Though it doesn't sit right with me as it's canon that big boss looked like this during that time.
Where as Venom has seemingly not aged a day.
This is MG2 Big Boss.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Well the game has no guarantee of being good.
Until it sells well and does well critically, a game is a liability so Sony would be taking a bet on it.
Dick Justice
Banned
I'd rather see Kojima continue to make games that come out on PC as well, thanks.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
At least until 1977 because Zero visited BB when he was ina coma.
Incredibly rude? I simply asked if you had issues regarding a bind with your father because you were shitting all over highly regarded games for featuring a father/daughter relationship in them. You then proceeded to try and say those games are made for 30 year old men who have a relationship with their daughters like it was some major problem in an MGSV thread.
Obviously it offended me when I myself have daughters and I'm not one bit drawn towards those games for having a father/daughter relationship in them. I merely pointed out the fact that MGS itself is centred around a father/sons relationship and asked whether that was cliche too.
Anyway, good, I have nothing more to say to you anyway, your arguments are flawed and you randomly shit on other games for no apparent reason other than because they have a father figure at the center of them.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I think he gets the tape in '95, possibly even during the events of MG1 as gunfire is heard outside the locker room.
The Diamond Dog logos are the real wildcard, but my guess is that they are likely symbolic. When he punches the mirror the logo in the reflection changes to the Outer Heaven logo. We see the DD logos we carried throughout the game, and then the mirror punch reveals that Diamond Dogs turned into Outer Heaven. That's a pretty flimsy interpretation, but eh. I dunno.
Kaz exists to be fiddled. By his dad, by Big Boss, by Phantom Boss, by Ocelot, by Liquid, by everyone. The man is a master of strings by the time he is dead.
Maybe not then lol,
he should start his own team up.In all honesty, Sony probably would be the best bet, but as you say, it'd be limited to PS4. What's the point in not sharing the love.
On that note, I wonder what Kojima's next project will be? Oh and where the fuck did the MGS movie go to? It's obviously been cancelled but I wonder how far they went.
SuperStiltzkin
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Big Boss wasn't conscious during Zero's visit was he? He was just talking to the doctor and to a comatose BB?
The Broken Ska Record
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Well everything he's done outside of Metal Gear has been pretty different. ZoE, Boktai, Lunar Knights,...
SuperStiltzkin
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Kojima should launch a controversial and disappointing kickstarter campaign.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
This is what I wish they did after MGS4...
Easton Dark
Member
I'm more shocked that the dude you play as is just a nobody, yet he shits all over modern militaries by himself 10 days after awakening from a coma.
That and the apparent super strength that the MSF troops have as you try to extract them makes me think that every single soldier in the MSF were the baddest mother fuckers on the planet.
That and the apparent super strength that the MSF troops have as you try to extract them makes me think that every single soldier in the MSF were the baddest mother fuckers on the planet.
Dick Justice
Banned
Yeah, I think the implication is that Venom pretty much gets the memo from BB as Snake is tearing Outer Heaven apart.
I knew this was an unofficial sequel to the first Metal Gear but I didn't know that Konami never told Kojima they were even making it.
From Wiki.
Zabant
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Was mentioned, yeah my bad.
Though he did certainly look like that during MG1 also.
Big Boss prior to MGS1 has always been this grizzled old Sean Connery looking dude.
Just a shame that the BB we see at the end of MGSV- aka venom who is implied to be the BB during MG1 - is the exact same character model of venom we have used the entire game.
I think I just really like the traditional Big Boss design.
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When he showed up at the end of MGS4 looking like that I did fanboy out a little.
Just finished. It's a shame that the actual plot is so jumbled, but I do like the whole ending and "twist" of it. Even though I fucking knew it right from the prologue, it was way too obvious but part of me didn't think Kojima was actually going to go there.
I like that Kojima took a plot hole that nobody really cared about (how does Snake kill Big Boss in MG1 and then he's still alive in MG2??) and actually created a whole game that explains this lol.
It makes the weird plot make more sense to me. I can imagine it being hard to write a story where you know that the character isn't really Big Boss (so you can't just write him as if he's BB) but you're trying to keep the player believing that he is. It leads him being a bit bland of a character.
I like that Kojima took a plot hole that nobody really cared about (how does Snake kill Big Boss in MG1 and then he's still alive in MG2??) and actually created a whole game that explains this lol.
It makes the weird plot make more sense to me. I can imagine it being hard to write a story where you know that the character isn't really Big Boss (so you can't just write him as if he's BB) but you're trying to keep the player believing that he is. It leads him being a bit bland of a character.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Fuck no. As a gameplay consultant, MAYBE, but this game has cemented for me the opinion that he needs to move on and away from writing Metal Gear.
Yeah, I won't miss his writing. I will miss his attention to silly little gameplay details though, assuming that is him and he hasn't got a dude to do it for him.
XANDER CAGE
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Kojima was just mad because the Snake's Revenge cover fucking owns and it's for a game he didn't make:
You do know that the catalyst for the MG story is a Mother figure right?
And there's really not a lot of father/son stuff going on with BB and his clones. To try and boil it down to a father son story seems kind of silly.
I guess I have no idea what you've been trying to say the past few pages.
Dick Justice
Banned
Was mentioned, yeah my bad.
Though he did certainly look like that during MG1 also.
Big Boss prior to MGS1 has always been this grizzled old Sean Connery looking dude.
Just a shame that the BB we see at the end of MGSV- aka venom who is implied to be the BB during MG1 - is the exact same character model of venom we have used the entire game.
I think I just really like the traditional Big Boss design.
When he showed up at the end of MGS4 looking like that I did fanboy out a little.
The artwork suggests that his appearance was going to be a middle ground between Naked Snake and Old Big Boss, but then they just decided to take the GZ model and add a shitty half mullet, half ponytail to it.
SuperStiltzkin
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Kojima was just mad because the Snake's Revenge cover fucking owns and it's for a game he didn't make:
There's a train in Snake's Revenge? We never got to sneak on any trains in MGS...I may need to play Snake's Revenge.
The thing is, there was no need to explain how he survived at the end of MG1. That and the fact it retcons a fair amount of stuff like Liquid, Ocelot and Solidus's motives in future games and makes Solid Snake an even more tragic character when he didn't need to be.
Oh and I hate that it retcons the Zero in to having good intentions and Big Boss into having good intentions. As well, how the fuck did Kaz end up back at Foxhound with the real BB when he swore to kill him at the End?
Ghostmaster
Member
So will we ever know, how much did being stuck on last gen contribute to some of the seemingly under-cooked content in this game? Probably not.
It's possible that it's the reason why the platforms are so far apart and the animals are their own thing, since originally they were supposed to be on the main platforms.
It's possible that it's the reason why the platforms are so far apart and the animals are their own thing, since originally they were supposed to be on the main platforms.
Zabant
Member
It's a George Lucas situation.
If they could get a MGS fan on the same level as the people in this thread that is also a game dev to make the next game...the possibilities!
The most shocking result of finishing MGSV for me personally is that I now actually think the possibility of a narratively satisfying MGS not made by Kojima is something that could happen.
Huh, crazy.... MGSV's plot was so unsatisfying i'm willing to give someone else the chance with the series. I REALLY didn't think i'd be saying that a few weeks ago
Zombie James
Banned
I wish I could have played as this Big Boss. Damn it...
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Thinking about this is... man. Solid Snake is there, in that final cutscene. If the camera had just stayed with us a little longer, or panned outside the locker room, we could have seen a young Solid Snake in the Fox Engine.
Still my favorite scene in the game though.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Stuff like the latter is probably the only thing, as well as maybe the lack of more dynamic patrols or what have you in the open world. The game itself is pretty ambitious, even if it can run on ten year old consoles.
Zabant
Member
The artwork suggests that his appearance was going to be a middle ground between Naked Snake and Old Big Boss, but then they just decided to take the GZ model and add a shitty half mullet, half ponytail to it.
Holy crap you're 100% right.
An ingame model that looks like that Yoji Shinkawa art would have been incredible!
KOJIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Kojima was just mad because the Snake's Revenge cover fucking owns and it's for a game he didn't make:
Snake's face is killing me
BlastProcessing
Member
But isn't one of the main themes of the MGS series that intentions mean nothing?
I just don't want the most painful of the choices at hand
MGS is ruined without kojima.
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