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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO

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Finished this last night and the ending just left me completely bewildered. Even the Mission 51 stuff (on fucking youtube of all places) still left me confused.

- How did Quiet get captured by the Russians? I assumed she let herself get captured so they would kill her but then she fucked them all up so?
- why is there two Big Bosses? Aside from the 'AHA' factor, I just don't get the purpose. I know has something to do with Zanzibar Land but I don't understand how Diamond Dogs and Outer Heaven are linked
- What happened to Huey?
- What happened to Eli and Psycho Mantis after Mission 51?
- Where the fuck was Solid Snake?!
- Gray fox anyone?

I'm left feeling incredibly bothered by this whole thing. I fucking loved the game but I felt like it led me down a path of discovery only to say 'fuck you' and end.

All I wanted to see, even back when MGS3 was announced, was how all of this leads into OG Metal Gear. And the most we get is a fucking timeline.

And now I can't even use Quiet for the post game. Fuck off.
Huey probably did exactly what Miller said he would do.

Sometime after he married, had a daughter and died sometime before the original MGS.

Solid is in the US, no real reason for him to be in the game.
 
- How did Quiet get captured by the Russians? I assumed she let herself get captured so they would kill her but then she fucked them all up so?
- why is there two Big Bosses? Aside from the 'AHA' factor, I just don't get the purpose. I know has something to do with Zanzibar Land but I don't understand how Diamond Dogs and Outer Heaven are linked
- What happened to Huey?
- What happened to Eli and Psycho Mantis after Mission 51?
- Where the fuck was Solid Snake?!
- Gray fox anyone?

-Goood question.
-To hide from his enemies, while he built zanzibar land. But he was the head of foxhound, with his name so i don't kinda fully get it.
-Went back to US?, got his child back, married, had another child, killed himself after first child screwed his wife
-LOLCLOSURE/MISSINGLINK
-Happy in the US.
-It would seem Null is staying canon.
 
Something I remember hearing in the intro mission was Ishmael saying, "Back from the dead, huh?" To the Man on Fire/Volgin in the hospital. Did I imagine that, or did that actually happen? If so, it would kinda make sense that the real Big Boss immediately recognizes him as Volgin, whereas Venom just stares at it stupidly without saying a word. Actually, now that I think on it, if you consider all the stuff real BB/Ishmael said, he definitely sounds more like the chatty MGS3 snake than Venom, even considering how few lines he had compared to Venom in game. Kinda makes me even more annoyed that we went through the whole game playing as some nobody.
This is another missed oppurtuntiy. Venom could continuisly recalled past events overall correctly, but got details wrong since he was only informed of them and didn't actually live them. This could've went right into a random tape about Operation Snake Eater where he claims to remember Volgin very well, despite not knowing shit when seeing the Man on Fire.
I'm glad I got to see Big Boss's butt crack in this game
The missing gap.
 
Finished this last night and the ending just left me completely bewildered. Even the Mission 51 stuff (on fucking youtube of all places) still left me confused.

- How did Quiet get captured by the Russians? I assumed she let herself get captured so they would kill her but then she fucked them all up so?
- why is there two Big Bosses? Aside from the 'AHA' factor, I just don't get the purpose. I know has something to do with Zanzibar Land but I don't understand how Diamond Dogs and Outer Heaven are linked
- What happened to Huey?
- What happened to Eli and Psycho Mantis after Mission 51?
- Where the fuck was Solid Snake?!
- Gray fox anyone?

I'm left feeling incredibly bothered by this whole thing. I fucking loved the game but I felt like it led me down a path of discovery only to say 'fuck you' and end.

All I wanted to see, even back when MGS3 was announced, was how all of this leads into OG Metal Gear. And the most we get is a fucking timeline.

And now I can't even use Quiet for the post game. Fuck off.

Those who got the Collectors Edition got the Mission 51 on the extras blu-ray.
Still, it should have been on the main game disk for everyone

Everything that we were supposed to get was left on the cutting room floor. Hopefully when Kojima gets released from his office cel he can tell us all about the game that Konami wouldn't let him have an extra 50 million to make. :p

You can use Quiet in the post game stuff.
 
Something I remember hearing in the intro mission was Ishmael saying, "Back from the dead, huh?" To the Man on Fire/Volgin in the hospital. Did I imagine that, or did that actually happen? If so, it would kinda make sense that the real Big Boss immediately recognizes him as Volgin, whereas Venom just stares at it stupidly without saying a word. Actually, now that I think on it, if you consider all the stuff real BB/Ishmael said, he definitely sounds more like the chatty MGS3 snake than Venom, even considering how few lines he had compared to Venom in game. Kinda makes me even more annoyed that we went through the whole game playing as some nobody.

I thought Ocelot said that.
 
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Haha, perfect
 
I'm glad I got to see Big Boss's butt crack in this game
EDIT:1 LOL yeah
EDIT2: Below is referring to the guy in bandages who gets shot in the hallway with all those people

That wasn't him

His patient garb was clean when it should have been dirty after surviving the first encounter with tMoF

They zoom in on his butt again after he pulls you into the room on the ground to show you the difference.
 
- How did Quiet get captured by the Russians? I assumed she let herself get captured so they would kill her but then she fucked them all up so?
- why is there two Big Bosses? Aside from the 'AHA' factor, I just don't get the purpose. I know has something to do with Zanzibar Land but I don't understand how Diamond Dogs and Outer Heaven are linked
- What happened to Huey?
- What happened to Eli and Psycho Mantis after Mission 51?
- Where the fuck was Solid Snake?!
- Gray fox anyone?


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- Confused by that too honestly. She probably wandered off, got caught in a sandstorm + dehydration and the russians found her when she was weak, hence why she only started besting them up when she got water.

- Probably to explain how boss managed to become infamous whilst also creating outer heaven, also helps explain how solid snake killed Big boss (aka venom snake aka fake snake) in metal gear 1 yet he is miraculously alove in MG2

- Left, most likely picked up by cipher, developed some shit, got married and got his kid back ( otacon), otacon has affair with step mom, huey kills himself

- They became the absolute best of buddies and joined the sas and fox unit, despite none of the previous games mentioning any connection between the two ( this game messed up a few things, including liquid and psychos supposed connection at a young age)

- In america, no reason to be here.

- Why would he be here. Also hope the null story stays as like a 'legendary recollection' pf the events of portable ops. Much prefer the idea of gray fox simply being a good soldier and not some manufactured soldier thing
 
I'm glad I got to see Big Boss's butt crack in this game

mgsv is worth it just for this

also theres no real reason for Solid Snake to be in this game, he was a relatively normal person/soldier until Outer Heaven
 
Also, good way to get resourcess somewhat fast is to do the metallic archea mission on extreme, you know the battle with the skulls and Code Talker.

There are a lot of containers around, all have 7500 materials, 10 times as the usual.

It's also a good idea to pick them up after beating the skulls, no hurry.
 
mgsv is worth it just for this

also theres no real reason for Solid Snake to be in this game, he was a relatively normal person/soldier until Outer Heaven

If people really want their Solid Snake fix, they should go and play Ghost Babel or AC!D 1 (non-canon, but still, they have Snake). Bet a lot of MG fans still haven't played those.
 
Surprised some people here didn't use a vehicle for sahelanthropus. You ran around on foot with a launcher?
 
Surprised some people here didn't use a vehicle for sahelanthropus. You ran around on foot with a launcher?

Surprised if you used a vehicle considering how slow and clunky most of them are. You're pretty much screwed if you accidentally crash into one of the big rocks sticking out and Sahelanthropus decides to fuck you over. Vehicles blow up real easy.
 
Ōkami;178790474 said:
Also, good way to get resourcess somewhat fast is to do the metallic archea mission on extreme, you know the battle with the skulls and Code Talker.

There are a lot of containers around, all have 7500 materials, 10 times as the usual.

It's also a good idea to pick them up after beating the skulls, no hurry.
Bring D-Walker, kill skulls in 30 seconds, get containers, extract. I think I found my new grind spot.

Extreme though? Hmmmm. Haven't done that yet.
 
Quiet runs away to save herself, Boss, and everyone. Where does she run to? A desert where a military war is waging, where she is immediately captured. Uh. huh. Maybe she should have wandered off into the rainforest or Seattle for water/rain.

Surprised if you used a vehicle considering how slow and clunky most of them are. You're pretty much screwed if you accidentally crash into one of the big rocks sticking out and Sahelanthropus decides to fuck you over. Vehicles blow up real easy.

I ran around on foot with a launcher and never left the high top area where the mission first starts. If you run in a circle, he can't hit you, and when he does his one shot kill energy weapon, he can't target you because he's on the mountain and can't aim down at you.

It's such a broken boss fight and the simplest S rank I got in the game.
 
As much as it would have been sweet to have hayter, i can't help but feel that Kojima would have wanted to have som scenes, or remake. Metal gear 1 and 2, hence why big bosses appearance is more like his mgs4 version and the voice change. It would have been super weird to have solid snake and big boss encounter each other with exactly the same voice and appearence ( except for age gap)

Yet he left Akio Ohtsuka alone. Until recently I don't think Kojima necessarily cared as much about the English dub as some people like to think, but decision to bring Kiefer on board seemed to be his and was probably borne from a desire to give western audiences a Snake that's a little more authentic to the Japanese version.
 
Question

Why was the spirit of volgin using fire ? As opposed to lightning ?

When V is used by Mantis, Mantis summons a fire whale. So there's no reasoning really. He uses a bolt once when they are outside running away on the horse and it's cloudy.
 
Surprised if you used a vehicle considering how slow and clunky most of them are. You're pretty much screwed if you accidentally crash into one of the big rocks sticking out and Sahelanthropus decides to fuck you over. Vehicles blow up real easy.

It worked well enough for normal. On Extreme I died a couple of times and had to drop my own vehicles in. I think I tried a launcher and found the damage to be crapzilla so just didn't bother.

I re-did the missions with the 2 penetration snipers hoping it would be OP but no :(

When V is used by Mantis, Mantis summons a fire whale. So there's no reasoning really. He uses a bolt once when they are outside running away on the horse.

Vengeful. Whale. Spirit.
 
Pretty interesting stuff.

"The Man Who Sold The World"
Lyrics
The lyrics for "A Phantom Pain" are interesting too when you view it as Venom Snake's theme. It's a very sad song that only gains meaning with the twist.

I'm searching for a whole new beginning
An endless void
This notion that I sense within me
You're still by my side

Oh, I feel your presence
You'll never leave here
But if I reach out there to hold you
Every part that's real disappears

As I become more present now
I can't see through the pain
A hollow cut through my veins
(the phantom takes his toll)

The days that just keep on coming
The stain that they leave
I wish I could break this casket
But I'm left here to grieve
In a world of my own design

As I become more present now
I can't see through the pain
A hollow cut through my veins
(the shadows takes their toll)

And did you leave me anything?
You're the phantom of my past...
Do you expect me to last, this way?
(a scar and a phantom pain)

The last verse in particular. I get the sense that V always took to being BB's phantom like the good soldier he is but wasn't entirely happy with it, and the lyrics give the same impression.
 
Surprised some people here didn't use a vehicle for sahelanthropus. You ran around on foot with a launcher?

That's how I brought it down, it was one of the easier bosses I've ever beat in my whole life. I wonder if I found some kind of bug in the game? I hop in a tank, and shot the tank's machine-gun at it until sahelanthropus HP bar went to zero. I was expecting to see a couple more stages to this boss. MGS style, bad guy keeps on coming, the carcass of sahelanthropus coming for another round, but nope... sigh..

This game can really be the best thing ever, and the most disappointing thing ever at the same time.
 
Of all the plot points, Volgin was definitely the most stupid.

Remember, the reason he lived and could survive the fire and all the rest was nothing but his pure lust for revenge. There was nothing else keeping him going. Not like Mantis brought him back to life. Not parasites. Not nanomachines. No, he lived on for Mantis to find him purely because of his hatred.

There was no reason for him not to just be an illusion caused by Mantis working for Skullface, to get into BB's head.

It also shows that despite his best efforts to explain everything, Kojima just loves the supernatural, the impossible, and the rule of cool. That's fine! I just wish he'd roll with that and stop taking hours to explain all the other supernatural bullshit in his games. We get it dude! It's a Japanese take on an American spy thriller with mechas and vampires! That's fine! We don't need the long-winded midichlorian bullshit, it just makes it look like you're embarrassed by your own subject matter.
 
Of all the plot points, Volgin was definitely the most stupid.

Remember, the reason he lived and could survive the fire and all the rest was nothing but his pure lust for revenge. There was nothing else keeping him going. Not like Mantis brought him back to life. Not parasites. Not nanomachines. No, he lived on for Mantis to find him purely because of his hatred.

There was no reason for him not to just be an illusion caused by Mantis working for Skullface, to get into BB's head.

It also shows that despite his best efforts to explain everything, Kojima just loves the supernatural, the impossible, and the rule of cool. That's fine! I just wish he'd roll with that and stop taking hours to explain all the other supernatural bullshit in his games. We get it dude! It's a Japanese take on an American spy thriller with mechas and vampires! That's fine! We don't need the long-winded midichlorian bullshit, it just makes it look like you're embarrassed by your own subject matter.

Ditto.

I thought Mantis was creating demons out of your psyche. But nope... its real. Which led me to question where does the Whale come from. Still to get an answer to that. lol.
 
Of all the plot points, Volgin was definitely the most stupid.

Remember, the reason he lived and could survive the fire and all the rest was nothing but his pure lust for revenge. There was nothing else keeping him going. Not like Mantis brought him back to life. Not parasites. Not nanomachines. No, he lived on for Mantis to find him purely because of his hatred.

There was no reason for him not to just be an illusion caused by Mantis working for Skullface, to get into BB's head.

It also shows that despite his best efforts to explain everything, Kojima just loves the supernatural, the impossible, and the rule of cool. That's fine! I just wish he'd roll with that and stop taking hours to explain all the other supernatural bullshit in his games. We get it dude! It's a Japanese take on an American spy thriller with mechas and vampires! That's fine! We don't need the long-winded midichlorian bullshit, it just makes it look like you're embarrassed by your own subject matter.

I love all the nonsense lore backstory explanation attempts, though.

Was hoping one would randomly throw out Vamp having powers caused by Parasites lol

Ditto.

I thought Mantis was creating demons out of your psyche. But nope... its real. Which led me to question where does the Whale come from. Still to get an answer to that. lol.

Best theory is that because there was a whaling ship nearby (the one Ocelot took Venom on) it was a whale spirit out for revenge against humans.

That's just reality.
 
I love all the nonsense lore backstory explanation attempts, though.

Was hoping one would randomly throw out Vamp having powers caused by Parasites lol

I think Vamp's nanomachines were attacked by parasites. Both the parasites and the nanomachines ended up having
copulatory copulation.
Only thing that would explain how OP he was.


Best theory is that because there was a whaling ship nearby (the one Ocelot took Venom on) it was a whale spirit out for revenge against humans.

That's just reality.

Laughing my fucking ass off. Sorry I don't have a better way to put that. Just lmao.
 
Of all the plot points, Volgin was definitely the most stupid.

Remember, the reason he lived and could survive the fire and all the rest was nothing but his pure lust for revenge. There was nothing else keeping him going. Not like Mantis brought him back to life. Not parasites. Not nanomachines. No, he lived on for Mantis to find him purely because of his hatred.

There was no reason for him not to just be an illusion caused by Mantis working for Skullface, to get into BB's head.

I don't see the problem with Volgin. He was rendered comatose and braindead after Snake Eater, but his subcontious had such LUST FOR REVENGE that it attracted Mantis, who acted as a vessel and "reanimated" Volgin. Once Volgin got up close and personal with Big Boss during mission 31, he sensed that it wasn't actually Big Boss at all. Which is why he backed off.

I too wish he was a hallucination because ironically that would be easier to explain, but it's interesting to see how Volgin is used as a plot point and one of the most important hints that Big Boss is not THE Big Boss. Everyone who played MGS3 recognized that it was Volgin, yet Big Boss calls him "The Man On Fire" and doesn't seem to recognize him whatsoever. Even when Ocelot [finally] calls out that the Man on Fire is Volgin in a certain tape, Big Boss doesn't respond at all.
 
I love all the nonsense lore backstory explanation attempts, though.

Was hoping one would randomly throw out Vamp having powers caused by Parasites lol



Best theory is that because there was a whaling ship nearby (the one Ocelot took Venom on) it was a whale spirit out for revenge against humans.

That's just reality.

That whale had one hell of a lust revenge.

Shame on you guys. Thought someone would bring up the most obvious answer.

PARASITES!!! lol.

The ship idea sounds interesting. *shrugs... i am at a loss.
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Lots of votes already.
 
Surprised some people here didn't use a vehicle for sahelanthropus. You ran around on foot with a launcher?

Yeah. There is one area where you initially start off at if you run down the road a bit it's just a big rock you can circle around. I just stayed there the entire fight and ran around it and shot him with the launcher...so easy.
 
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