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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO

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So just any piece of shit soldier with a bit of that Ocelot mumbo jumbo can all of sudden be the pinnacle of human fighting excellence? All it takes is some face surgery and hypnotherapy and anyone can run 15 miles past their breaking point, murder kill whoever with precision and operate on a level unseen in the modern world? Some fucking go-get-em gumption and a tranq pistol and you might as well call yourself fucking big boss???

Why didn't we clone this godamned medic? Why not clone any S+ soldier on DD? Why not tattoo BIGBOSS on all our dicks and go into Angola butt fucken nakkid like that General. Butt Naked guy from that VICE doc? NBD

Fuck Emmerich with a hot poker that guy annoys me, Quiet is the part of the game for multiple reasons, Jokima is a fucking nut bag and I might hate him but this game is fun as shit so I guess it's a wash.

Just finished, btw.
 
So just any piece of shit soldier with a bit of that Ocelot mumbo jumbo can all of sudden be the pinnacle of human fighting excellence? All it takes is some face surgery and hypnotherapy and anyone can run 15 miles past their breaking point, murder kill whoever with precision and operate on a level unseen in the modern world? Some fucking go-get-em gumption and a tranq pistol and you might as well call yourself fucking big boss???

Why didn't we clone this godamned medic? Why not clone any S+ soldier on DD? Why not tattoo BIGBOSS on all our dicks and go into Angola butt fucken nakkid like that General. Butt Naked guy from that VICE doc? NBD

Fuck Emmerich with a hot poker that guy annoys me, Quiet is the part of the game for multiple reasons, Jokima is a fucking nut bag and I might hate him but this game is fun as shit so I guess it's a wash.

Just finished, btw.

Big Boss himself mentions Medic Snake was their best man. It's thin rationalization and it's barely mentioned, but it's there.

And yeah, the Emmerich voice has always been a whiny irritating thing, but at least before he was on the right side of things. Now he's just a sniveling prick who killed Strangelove.

By the way, why didn't they at least fucking SHOW the discovery of Strangelove's body in the pod? Of the fucking litany of things that are relinquished to tapes after the fact that could have been animated, this may be the easiest one. It could have literally been a 30 second scene of some R&D guy or Ocelot or something opening up the pod, Strangelove falls out, and Emmerich does his whiny thing while Ocelot or Silent Snake gives him a "Huey, you got some splainin' to do" look.
 
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You're joking right. Last time they tried that we got the end of AC3 which is 100x worse then anything in MGS V.

This is true.

I'm still raging at AC3's ending. At least MGSV's does some cool things and I can fill in some gaps with my own head-canon.

A big part of Syndicate is starting a new arc so not likely, the twins will probably have some good closure tho.




EDIT:That CQC win.


This is also true. I do have high hopes though... but I always have high hopes. Unity, I had high hopes for a great romantic tale.

Sigh.
 
BB left the patriots because he didn't like that they were trying to form a cult of personality around him. The breaking point was when he found out they had cloned him to keep the cult going.

MGS V is about how BB has become what he once hated. He embraces his cult of personality and creates a clone of his own. He's a bad guy by the end of the game. He even sends his clone to die in almost the same way the US government sent the Boss to die. The twist absolutely fits in with the story of MGS and wasn't thrown in randomly.

The game isn't at all about that. That's an addendum in the last quarter hour of the game. That's the problem.
 
So just any piece of shit soldier with a bit of that Ocelot mumbo jumbo can all of sudden be the pinnacle of human fighting excellence? All it takes is some face surgery and hypnotherapy and anyone can run 15 miles past their breaking point, murder kill whoever with precision and operate on a level unseen in the modern world? Some fucking go-get-em gumption and a tranq pistol and you might as well call yourself fucking big boss???

Why didn't we clone this godamned medic? Why not clone any S+ soldier on DD? Why not tattoo BIGBOSS on all our dicks and go into Angola butt fucken nakkid like that General. Butt Naked guy from that VICE doc? NBD

Fuck Emmerich with a hot poker that guy annoys me, Quiet is the part of the game for multiple reasons, Jokima is a fucking nut bag and I might hate him but this game is fun as shit so I guess it's a wash.

Just finished, btw.

That soldier is you, the guy that beat all the other mgs games. He's plenty qualified.
 
And finished.

So uh... is it explained in the cassettes why Big Boss had Venom take his place completely beyond "oh I gotta hide from Cypher/Zero LOL!"? :/

I don't mind the twist, I just don't get the reasoning behind it.
 
And finished.

So uh... is it explained in the cassettes why Big Boss had Venom take his place completely beyond "oh I gotta hide from Cypher/Zero LOL!"? :/

I don't mind the twist, I just don't get the reasoning behind it.

He's not hiding from Zero. Zero is the one who came up with the body double plan in the first place to protect Snake from Skull Face.
 
I think it's a valid complaint. Even before realizing you're not playing Big Boss, you don't ever feel like you are. I get the intended effect, but at least with previous games, you were good old trouser snake. (Except MGS2 obviously)

And I would've been okay with real BB doing this because he was just tired of fighting, even if it went against canon. He watched most of his soldiers die, including Chico and Paz. He saw what being a dog of the military meant and... he just wanted a new life somewhere else. But he knew someone had to take his place, fulfill his and the others' plans for the sake of the future.

Of course we're aware that this isn't the case, but I'm sure in another reality him and Eva are on a beach in Costa Rica drinking mojitos.
 
And finished.

So uh... is it explained in the cassettes why Big Boss had Venom take his place completely beyond "oh I gotta hide from Cypher/Zero LOL!"? :/

I don't mind the twist, I just don't get the reasoning behind it.

why don't you listen to all those cassette tapes and find out! alternatively, ask the internet to tell you the game plot
 
And finished.

So uh... is it explained in the cassettes why Big Boss had Venom take his place completely beyond "oh I gotta hide from Cypher/Zero LOL!"? :/

I don't mind the twist, I just don't get the reasoning behind it.

Dont think about it too hard.

Clearly Kojima didnt.
 
So I go to sleep every night believing that the Kojima/Konami beef was just a PR stunt and they are actually going to announce the REAL MGS5 (for the third time) and MGSV was just an elaborate troll.

Am I the only one?
 
if he were really me he would have shot both of huey's legs off and dumped him in the ocean

TIME PARAAADOXXXX

The most baffling thing about this plan is that the real Big Boss was just two feet away from the fake one the whole time?????

Big Boss helping Venom escape (putting himself in danger to do it) isn't the most ridiculous part of the plan but it's up there.

Unless Big Boss having ever been anywhere near Venom is all just an Ocelot doublethink hypnosis mindfuck.
 
So I go to sleep every night believing that the Kojima/Konami beef was just a PR stunt and they are actually going to announce the REAL MGS5 (for the third time) and MGSV was just an elaborate troll.

Am I the only one?

I think the Kojima name removal might be the only plausible intentional conspiracy thing as some weird way to tie into the game's language topic. But even that is a huge stretch.
 
At we least got fake Kojima for our Intel team. I'm surprised Konami didn't JAV censor his name and face when you removed the potato sack.
 
So I go to sleep every night believing that the Kojima/Konami beef was just a PR stunt and they are actually going to announce the REAL MGS5 (for the third time) and MGSV was just an elaborate troll.

Am I the only one?

If you're being serious, that's a really sad level of denial and I hope you find closure. =(
 
Skull Face attacks Mother Base and poisons Zero, then Zero sends Skull Face to Africa instead of killing him.

Why.

i still don't know, i think zero sends skullface to africa first where he finds the parasites to attack zero with

but

BUT

I'm not certain and it's a fucking stupid-ass plan anyway
 
If you're being serious, that's a really sad level of denial and I hope you find closure. =(

Based on how the trailers showed the game this should have all been about revenge, Im still waiting to become a demon and have closure that big boss is truly a terrible man and soldier and we wont get it, even if they remake mg1, we have to wait until mg2 to see and kill the real son of a bitch
 
He's not hiding from Zero. Zero is the one who came up with the body double plan in the first place to protect Snake from Skull Face.

Wait, what? Where the hell is that? In the truth tapes? Because the cutscene doesn't even imply that and everything I've "heard" in the tapes so far doesn't even consider that.
 
Wait, what? Where the hell is that? In the truth tapes? Because the cutscene doesn't even imply that and everything I've "heard" in the tapes so far doesn't even consider that.

yea it was zeros plan, he wanted to keep the legend and legendary soldier intact, to zero the legend meant more than the man, so they figured if they have a double at least the legend continues
 
Wait, what? Where the hell is that? In the truth tapes? Because the cutscene doesn't even imply that and everything I've "heard" in the tapes so far doesn't even consider that.

Try truth tape "Secret recording of Ocelot and Zero"
 
That soldier is you, the guy that beat all the other mgs games. He's plenty qualified.

So meta.

So i'm a ghost then? And also know what the future holds? Why can't i use some of DD's GMP to invest in apple AND facebook AND Tesla and own the world via a fuckin monopoly on everything???

But the statement stands... if there is this apparently heroic god tier soldier sitting right there why not make some more clones? Because apparently it doesn't really MATTER that Big Boss is who he is does it? DOES IT!?

and the fuck is up with Ocelot? There are so many scenes in my head now that i'm going to go back and watch with new eyes thinking "Is this like that scene in the car in Fight Club where he MUST be talking to himself in the front seat while his flunkies in the back seat are all like "Man this dude is hardcore but he is fuuuuuuucking crazy."

no wonder so many soldiers instantly decided to switch sides. Fuckin medic-bro is having a conversation with 2 friends that don't exist in the brig and everyones just like "No. Just start patrolling and leave it alone. this guy here? he is fuckin in-sane."
 
yea it was zeros plan, he wanted to keep the legend and legendary soldier intact, to zero the legend meant more than the man, so they figured if they have a double at least the legend continues

Except everything in the timeline (AFAIK) hints that Zero clones Big Boss AFTER Big Boss leaves the "Nu-Philosophers"/the Patriots because Zero is going against "the Boss's will" of having a whole world.

(Which turns out they both got the will wrong, ironically)

But because Big Boss is such an amazing solider, Zero wanted to keep his "legacy" going and pass his skills on, hence the cloning: David/Eli (Solid/Liquid). Big Boss didn't know about this until years later(?).
 
Except everything in the timeline (AFAIK) hints that Zero clones Big Boss AFTER Big Boss leaves the "Nu-Philosophers"/the Patriots because Zero is going against "the Boss's will" of having a whole world.

(Which turns out they both got the will wrong, ironically)

But because Big Boss is such an amazing solider, Zero wanted to keep his "legacy" going and pass his skills on, hence the cloning: David/Eli (Solid/Liquid). Big Boss didn't know about this until years later(?).
Play all the truth tapes.

Zero visited Big Boss while on a coma, while he wants the legend to live on, he sort of want him to join him too.

Also Big Boss is well aware about the twin snakes in the game.
 
Also the way Big Boss handled Quiet was really...not at all like Big Boss.

He jumped on her back and then threw a bed pan at her.

Good job, father of close-quarters combat.
 
Except everything in the timeline (AFAIK) hints that Zero clones Big Boss AFTER Big Boss leaves the "Nu-Philosophers"/the Patriots because Zero is going against "the Boss's will" of having a whole world.

(Which turns out they both got the will wrong, ironically)

But because Big Boss is such an amazing solider, Zero wanted to keep his "legacy" going and pass his skills on, hence the cloning: David/Eli (Solid/Liquid). Big Boss didn't know about this until years later(?).

are you actually arguing about the plot of this story and MGS having not listened to the truth tapes in MGSV? lmao WTF this thread is great. bro, there are retcons, listen to the damn truth tapes. seriously, listen to them.

I seriously need to just understand how some people play video games. I stand by my assertion that majority are playing with headphones and a podcast running.

also BB knows about it as the cloning happens, because Zero approaches him. he just doesn't know he did it in secret anyway.
 
Also the way Big Boss handled Quiet was really...not at all like Big Boss.

He jumped on her back and then threw a bed pan at her.

Good job, father of close-quarters combat.

LoL holy shit i just thought of this. I get it that he's still muscular and using the wrap to hide his identity and all that jazz... i'm assuming he was the super secret spy mole that we know and love in a BB grooming his replacement and making sure he made it out of the hospital ok but he's all "bedpan! Syringe! Speculum!" so fuckin funny...

BUT - he's BB so maybe that's just a distraction ploy. He can't pull any fancy wrist locks cause then you'd be all "wwaaaaiiiiit a minute" but NINE years ago he planted that bottle next to your bed knowing you would use it. Couldn't sneak hairspray into the extended care ward so he had to hide in a bottle of Neproxen.

This fucking game.
 
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