johnsavage
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Xpike
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figured if he did anything too Big Boss-y he would blow his cover
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Not like Big Boss was the only on in the whole world who was good at CQC.
The Dear Leader
Banned
When you see someone like Big Boss CQC... it's unlike any other. The grace, the speed... the force.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Didn't he teach freaking everyone in MSF CQC?
The Silver
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Solid looked at him and thought "man this guy's been through some shit, I should listen to him".
Finally bothered listening to the 'truth tapes', hours after beating the game.
Jesus, why oh why was this - the very best part of the entire story, and by far the best acted - relegated to post-game tapes, by which point all hope had been lost for the narrative and I barely cared any more? Zero's actor is superb, and what you learn there transforms your understanding of a lot of the characters in ways far more profound than the stupid Venom twist.
I also went back and watched some MGS3 and 4 cutscenes. Man, it's crazy to think that that was over a decade and then 7 years ago. The standard of storytelling there just jumps out as being instantly superior, going back to them now. Especially the opening of MGS4. Sets the tone for the game so fucking well.
Jesus, why oh why was this - the very best part of the entire story, and by far the best acted - relegated to post-game tapes, by which point all hope had been lost for the narrative and I barely cared any more? Zero's actor is superb, and what you learn there transforms your understanding of a lot of the characters in ways far more profound than the stupid Venom twist.
I also went back and watched some MGS3 and 4 cutscenes. Man, it's crazy to think that that was over a decade and then 7 years ago. The standard of storytelling there just jumps out as being instantly superior, going back to them now. Especially the opening of MGS4. Sets the tone for the game so fucking well.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Curious by the way - which tapes should i be absorbing to hear about this? Or is it just a minor mention in a cutscene from GZ or something?
Either way - Best/most trusted/most deadly Lt. on MB? Better assign him to the Medic team!!! No wonder MB fell to shit. True Blue BB is a terrible base manager.
edit: Imagine the mind fuck that Miller's entire life turns into after all this goes down. Maimed, tortured, friends turned enemies, enemies turned friends and every 10th person you meet looks like the guy who set your life on the most insanely violent path it could have possibly gone down. You can't throw a rock in Kaz's life without hitting a godamned mullet.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
He probably had A++ stats in all categories, just like Big Boss. Venom was likely backup in case the mission went south or something.
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Xpike
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Wouldn't you listen to this man? He probably knows all about survival.
Then hold back or something. Or better do not, what was his plan when Quiet wouldn't catch fire suddenly?
ShockingAlberto
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But they were going to die.
And he clearly had no problem killing her.
And also every soldier in the world fucking loves CQC.
So I'm not sure that really flies.
akidnamededdy
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I still maintain that there was no good reason for Big Boss to be there anymore once he woke up. Deuce ASAP and let the decoy take the heat as intended.
He hung around to ogle the nurse
ShockingAlberto
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I think it's weird that his entire plan hinged on Venom waking up in a few days.
Was Big Boss just going to hang out for years until he rethought this plan? I feel like some sort of stupid "We woke him from his coma with this injection" would have worked better.
Isn't that what they did? Unless I misunderstood the BB and Ocelot tape.
Jangowuzhere
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Well, they needed the decoy to survive. Venom isn't there just to buy time for Big Boss to escape.
Unknown One
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Yeah, but he could always just kill her. No more witnesses. Venom was tripping balls anyways.
So really, Zero had the dumbest plan ever because the real Big Boss was still in the hospital when Cypher showed up.
Then, the fake big boss proceeded to be completely successful and needed absolutely no reason to stand in for the real one.
And then, in order to lay low, Big Boss had his name legally changed to Big Boss on his passport, meaning his entire cover was blown every time he showed it to someone.
Then, the fake big boss proceeded to be completely successful and needed absolutely no reason to stand in for the real one.
And then, in order to lay low, Big Boss had his name legally changed to Big Boss on his passport, meaning his entire cover was blown every time he showed it to someone.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Should've been Ocelot himself in there instead of the guy they engineered the whole plan to protect in the first place.
I will never be convinced that this wasn't dumb.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Well he had the wraps on for the sole purpose of hiding his face correct? Is there info in the tapes that says he was actually staying there for medical reasons? entirely possible that they got some limited wind of the shitstorm about to go down and were like "Our patsy is sitting in the middle of the Death Wing at NewFace Medical. We better get there and point this gun in the right direction before our extremely complicated plan goes to hell."
akidnamededdy
Banned
Real, summoned by mantis, who was channeling Venom's rage at the time.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It was real, it was channeled through someone...or something
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
....... because the horn he's sporting at the time?
Hmm. At least the Mantis stuff is kind of consistent. Dude is like the one true blue staple through almost the whole series. And a powerhouse at that. Poor kid.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I think the way Boss handled Quiet was very much like Big Boss. Using CQC would blow his cover and BB is a goofy guy, I don't think throwing bedpans and medical equipment is beyond him. This is the guy who thought this was a good disguise
Quiet also likely took him by surprise.
BB's characterization as Ishmael is really just perfect. He's super chatty, witty ("You're talking to yourself"), and has his awesome moments (jumping off the stairwell). He felt like Boss to me, in contrast to Venom who, aside from being a leader who cares about his subordinates, isn't really like Big Boss at all.
Quiet also likely took him by surprise.
BB's characterization as Ishmael is really just perfect. He's super chatty, witty ("You're talking to yourself"), and has his awesome moments (jumping off the stairwell). He felt like Boss to me, in contrast to Venom who, aside from being a leader who cares about his subordinates, isn't really like Big Boss at all.
OrochiJR
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The loss of Quiet is really bugging me. The whole phantom pain thing gets a whole new meaning from a gameplay perspective. First Kojima gives us this awesome, slightly OP buddy, she even gets a Sniper Wolf outfit, but if you use her too much and max her out she gets taken away from you if you want to finish her story. I feel the pain everytime I want to do side ops in post-game. 
Starting the game over and not doing her ending quest would be an option, but then I don't want to build the whole Mother Base up from scratch again...
Starting the game over and not doing her ending quest would be an option, but then I don't want to build the whole Mother Base up from scratch again...
My favourite theory is that it is an actual angry undead whale with a lust for revenge since a whaling ship is nearby.
No, the passport name is the name you picked in the very beginning of the game.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Seriously, this fan trailer makes the ending look baller as fuck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITDZUfRsFmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITDZUfRsFmg
akidnamededdy
Banned
Aye. Neat little touch they implemented with Mantis there.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I couldn't take Big Boss as Ishmael seriously mainly because his butt was out in the open. Almost every camera angle in that section positions you right behind him. It was futile to ignore.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Kojima loves the man booty, MGS4 proves this
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
This is staggeringly well done.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Well, a person like Big Boss is the most likely person to pull it off. They don't have any other soldiers to pick from considering MB is destroyed. Ocelot is no where near the level of BB's skills.
It's a risky plan, but it all makes sense in my mind
The only dumb thing to me is not carrying a gun when the enemy arrived. I guess they got caught off guard, but it's still super dumb.
It's a beginning of the mystery. What secrets does the buttcrack hold? Don't we know this buttcrack? Could this be Hayters buttcrack, even if it looks like Kiefers right now?
Zomba13
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That's a good trailer. Only issues is that I would have kept the default arm and cut the bit with the parasite, the bit with Mantis catching it and giving it to Eli, purely because it's something that isn't concluded in the game and is really pointless.
It's not like Kojima hasn't left clues that he isn't some not-so-secret-bisexual.
Also watching "Episode 51:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4JIHh5Jqk
I kinda like that ending. Though I don't like how Mantis is just able to hand-wave Eli's parasite/the English strain out of him to save him because LOL METAL GEAR SOLID 1 YA'LL. WHOOPS. WE DIDN'T THINK THIS THROUGH AMIRITE?
Unknown One
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Snake has rid the world of the true savior. Psycho Mantis could probably cure cancer.
Well, I am now hyped for a game I already played. Dear lord.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Wait, why does BB kill Vegetable Zero if BB and Zero and Ocelot were all in on the Phantom plan? I mean... they all have access to these tapes.
Mercy killing. Zero isn't actually living an amazing life at that moment and he wants him to accompany him to their comrades, I guess.
Btw. they are probably all burning in hell, so many of gods rules broken.
ShockingAlberto
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You're guessing things that were explicitly stated in the game?
He's alive but pretty much brain dead.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Essentially yes, that much was explained.
oh okay, just completed mission 22. was just posting some thoughts lol
Well, I am guessing that that isn't Volgin, but Meramon and the cut chapter 3 was to play in the Digiworld and the Patriot AI was the D-Reaper.
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