Seems about as meaningful as the Patriots hiding the existence of a handful of genes in the human genome in MGS2.
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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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I don't see it.
So wait, does that BB mod fix blood not getting on the eye patch?
"My hair was bleached blonde by my time in the Middle East, brooootherrrr. That was sometime before I became the leader of a group of child soldiers in Africa, and met Big Boss. Then Ocelot, and Miller. Then I went back to the Middle East, Afghanistan, but only for a short while in a helicopter, and met Psycho Mantis, brooootherrrr".
Dick Justice
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Apparently so. I think it has a different wound layout to the default head, which is why blood appears and disappears in particular areas. Only real downside is the slight gap in the neck, and the fact that the mullet has clipping issues with certain outfits (normal fatigues, sneaking suit). Funnily enough, it works better with the battle dress because the default ponytail clips with the neck area.
I'm so glad I managed to avoid all images of it before playing the game. At first I was all, oh boy another anachronistic REX lookali-ORBITAL FRAME UP IN THIS SHIT.
I'm only disappointed that it never uses the pile bunker on its right arm for anything.
Dick Justice
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Probably had to cut that part out.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
You are destroying my headcanonI don't see it.
And the future of Code Talker's clan is obviously this
ShockingAlberto
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The camera panning of that section is so weird.
It's basically "YO MALE VIDEO GAME PLAYER, JACK IT TO THESE ALMOST-DEAD MIND CONTROLLED ZOMBIE WOMEN"
You are destroying my headcanon
And the future of Code Talker's clan is obviously this
Makes sense Raven is a ex employee who takes revenge because he finds out the company is because of Millers influence and he reallllyy hated working fast food.
Zero and Miller are definitely the worst offenders regarding this series' overarching plot continuity.
Miller's introduction was done via backstory in Peace Walker, where he starts out as an already well-established ally. It turns out that he was collaborating with Cipher on Paz and Galvez's plot from the beginning, though. When Big Boss doesn't ally with Cipher, Zero decides to nuke the US and pin it on MSF. Uhhhhh, wtf Zero? That solidifies Cipher asa ridiculous nutcase MSF's enemy. Miller no longer trusts him.
Then Ground Zeroes happens, Cipher is suspected, and the Side Ops give more credence to a Cipher Agent, Skull Face, being involved. Okay... But Zero isn't involved. Zero is actually Big Boss's biggest ally between the time frame of Ground Zeroes and MGS5, as he's the one who creates Venom Snake, allies Ocelot and Miller in order to protect Big Boss. Understandably, Miller doesn't trust him, but by the end of the game, we are to believe that he eventually goes back to Cipher - and we know that he works with US forces to train FOXHOUND members like Snake.
MGS5 ends up being more about Miller's decent into madness than Big Boss's. The tension between him and Ocelot and Venom are apparent throughout the game, but the final line about cursing Big Boss comes out of nowhere to me. Does that not seem completely out of place to anyone else?
Miller's introduction was done via backstory in Peace Walker, where he starts out as an already well-established ally. It turns out that he was collaborating with Cipher on Paz and Galvez's plot from the beginning, though. When Big Boss doesn't ally with Cipher, Zero decides to nuke the US and pin it on MSF. Uhhhhh, wtf Zero? That solidifies Cipher as
Then Ground Zeroes happens, Cipher is suspected, and the Side Ops give more credence to a Cipher Agent, Skull Face, being involved. Okay... But Zero isn't involved. Zero is actually Big Boss's biggest ally between the time frame of Ground Zeroes and MGS5, as he's the one who creates Venom Snake, allies Ocelot and Miller in order to protect Big Boss. Understandably, Miller doesn't trust him, but by the end of the game, we are to believe that he eventually goes back to Cipher - and we know that he works with US forces to train FOXHOUND members like Snake.
MGS5 ends up being more about Miller's decent into madness than Big Boss's. The tension between him and Ocelot and Venom are apparent throughout the game, but the final line about cursing Big Boss comes out of nowhere to me. Does that not seem completely out of place to anyone else?
FlutterPuffs
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The thing I understood most about the rain scene is that Quiet's butt and groin area are horribly chafed.
Can't she wear something that doesnt dig on her skin considering that she needs to get wet constantly.
Can't she wear something that doesnt dig on her skin considering that she needs to get wet constantly.
I think we're lucky that he didn't make it so Code Talker WAS Raven who was reverse add and memory wiped by parasites.
FlutterPuffs
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I don't get how she can stand being that uncomfortable.
Her groin area must be itchy as hell by now.
Miller is best character because that final scene we hear him and ocelot talking. Miller calls out how stupid and dumb the plan is and is like fuck you lot going train somebody kill you dumbassholes coming up with this bullshit.
Maybe Miller is the one who set up Kojima to be captured in Afghanistan
Maybe Miller is the one who set up Kojima to be captured in Afghanistan
Dick Justice
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She was saving it for Venom. Probably.
Also, strange how only the naked variant of the fatigues has an actual radio earpiece (think the sneaking suit has one as well).
Dick Justice
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And then Ocelot murders him instead and lets Eli take his place.
Dick Justice, indeed
It's why Tomokazu Fukushima disappeared
He became Venom "Punished' Kojima and will be working to undermine Konami while the real Kojima works from the background.
Venom Kojima will be supported by Koji "Iga" Igarashi, a visionary robbed of his future, and Itagaki, a rival living a lie.
Also, Inafune, a Businessman who stands his Ground will be in the background trying to sabotage them while claiming that he was a good guy and they are the real villains
MAX PAYMENT
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I read this as hulk hogan.
They're both terrible jackasses, so it works.
Does this also make Solid Snake Macho Man Randy Savage?
From my understanding Hot Coldman had backing from the CIA and was in league with Zadornov (who was KGB). Cipher orchestrated the events of Peacewalker, but probably knew full well that Snake would come in and take down PW. Cipher contributed to MSF's funding to make it what it became, and ultimately wanted Snake to build up and become the deterrent force for Cipher. Snake did not approve and was forced to face Zeke.
MGS5 pretty much flips Zero's character on the head (in my eyes). He's not such a bad dude at the end of the day. He's done some poor things, and his vision ultimately led to a shitty future, but like he said, his subordinates do things without his approval or knowledge. I don't think Zero would want that nuke to hit the US.
I did too, actually, lol.
Ocelot probably cheated using hypnosis made Miller forget about everything. Miller is basically a one arm and leg Daredevil
That's hilarious but I think the best part of the scene is when Snake interacts with a computer actually out of the 80s when he was probably flipping through his magic super tech iDroid minutes before.
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I'll take those over "zero" and "nanomachines"
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Did you play Peace Walker?
akidnamededdy
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Oh I do this shit all the time, I extract any good ones and the rest I pick up and throw overboard. Fuck your soldiers son.
Christ this game is a doozy and just incredibly dicey. I'm overall left with a negative impression.
Is it wrong of me to think that the way they treated Huey in this game was pretty much character assassination? I really, really don't like the way they wrote him in this game. I don't mind the way they wanted to paint him with a level of ambiguity but the fact that the game paints a narrative where Big Boss and co. were essentially right all along is just so misguided. The moment when he kills Skullface could have been such a great moment in which you sympathize with him if they didn't put in that awkward "I did it! REVENGE!" comment. He spits some of the harshest truthbombs I expected to hear directed at the Diamond Dogs when he gets kicked out and yet it's only after the fact that we realize "oh well it's okay guys Huey was a dick anyway who killed Strangelove because I can't have muh kid powered Metal Gear". This game REALLY doesn't want you to like Huey, but simultaneously it also REALLY wants you to like Diamond Dogs.
It's funny because Kaz is the one who is the most vindictive about how to treat Huey (despite Ocelot being the most assumptive so I don't know what the hell they were doing there), and yet I almost feel like the way Kaz responds to this entire ordeal is so wrong if only because the moment I was most interested to see (him "leaving" Diamond Dogs out of his new found resentment of Big Boss) was handled in such a hamfisted matter.
I dunno if this has been brought up really but in terms of Big Boss exhibiting the kind of personality he has, or lack thereof, I can't say I wholly mind because at least two games in the past have both depicted a start of darkness moment for him. His "role" in the game reminds me of the Mad Max movies and how, while it generally depicts the protagonist's own journey and uses him as the framing device, the actual story revolves around other people and how they get influenced by the protagonist entering their lives. That's why I'm less miffed about how they handled Big Boss and more miffed about how the leading side cast is unbelievably one-dimensional.
For example, I raved earlier in the OT thread about how Mission 43 was such a profound narrative moment for me through almost game play alone, and how I felt that would be a fantastic penultimate mission. In the end though... it didn't actually change much in the context of the story. All it did was yet again serve as an excuse to add yet another "no I didn't do it" moment in the pile for Huey, which is kind of ironic since his interaction with you during that mission was one of the reasons that entire sequence resonated with me so much. He seems to be the only one out of the entire DD squad with somewhat of a conscience.
Hell, after I finished that I half expected that to be the moment where Kaz starts doubting Big Boss but instead he reverts straight back to "wow you're the best than I thought Boss". The story feels like it lacks any sort of friction without the lack of an internal reluctant party, and he feels like he would have fit the mold perfectly due to how we've known since Metal Gear 2 that Miller considers him a monster. I recall that line he had in multiple trailers of the game ("Why are we still here, just to suffer?") was a foreshadowing of that, and that Kaz would be the person who would see the greatest internal struggle and start questioning the moral compass they're on.
Ocelot's performance ties a little bit into it as well I think. Considering how the game reintroduces and spins Big Boss' most iconic rival into his passive lap dog, I think the lack of any gusto on his part isn't just a detriment to the way he made an impression in the past but it also makes the interplay suffer a bit. The game sets up it's ending implying that Ocelot is going to help forward Big Boss and Eli down the path of darkness but I wish we could have seen more of that in the game by making him be more of that little devil on Big Boss' shoulder. I feel like there'd have been so much potential for better drama here if Kaz and Ocelot were bumping their heads a little more since they're effectively two sides of Big Boss' coin. Instead they're all just really the same grumpy interchangeable character with varying degrees of anger depending on cassette tape and cutscene.
I remember I made a post way back when, saying that the game already felt wholly unnecessary by spelling out the MGS chronology, and someone responded to me theorizing that MGSV was Kojima's way of taking Big Boss down the whole Breaking Bad path (and I'm pretty sure Kojima has stated as much in the past since he loves the show). But the reason that "works" in Breaking Bad is because no one in that series ever assumes that Walter White is a good guy, or even justified. He's a diabolic mastermind existing within a facade, and the closest people to him, especially the closest people he works with, are always the most questioning of that while eating themselves away inside at their compliance. MGSV has... none of that, and I almost feel like Kojima is way too attached to Big Boss to call him out. I don't even really want a better conclusion since there's not really much I want explained. I just want a better narrative. The story is the equivalent of a garish and loud party van, aimlessly driving around until someone gets kicked out for not telling the driver that they drank the entire punch bowl, only to immediately resume afterwards.
It's a good thing the game itself was a lot of fun because so much here is wasted potential in my opinion.
Have to say though I find it fucking hilarious that when you boil it down, the main twist of the game, and everything it builds up to, is Kojima attempting to justify how Big Boss survived Metal Gear 1.
Is it wrong of me to think that the way they treated Huey in this game was pretty much character assassination? I really, really don't like the way they wrote him in this game. I don't mind the way they wanted to paint him with a level of ambiguity but the fact that the game paints a narrative where Big Boss and co. were essentially right all along is just so misguided. The moment when he kills Skullface could have been such a great moment in which you sympathize with him if they didn't put in that awkward "I did it! REVENGE!" comment. He spits some of the harshest truthbombs I expected to hear directed at the Diamond Dogs when he gets kicked out and yet it's only after the fact that we realize "oh well it's okay guys Huey was a dick anyway who killed Strangelove because I can't have muh kid powered Metal Gear". This game REALLY doesn't want you to like Huey, but simultaneously it also REALLY wants you to like Diamond Dogs.
It's funny because Kaz is the one who is the most vindictive about how to treat Huey (despite Ocelot being the most assumptive so I don't know what the hell they were doing there), and yet I almost feel like the way Kaz responds to this entire ordeal is so wrong if only because the moment I was most interested to see (him "leaving" Diamond Dogs out of his new found resentment of Big Boss) was handled in such a hamfisted matter.
I dunno if this has been brought up really but in terms of Big Boss exhibiting the kind of personality he has, or lack thereof, I can't say I wholly mind because at least two games in the past have both depicted a start of darkness moment for him. His "role" in the game reminds me of the Mad Max movies and how, while it generally depicts the protagonist's own journey and uses him as the framing device, the actual story revolves around other people and how they get influenced by the protagonist entering their lives. That's why I'm less miffed about how they handled Big Boss and more miffed about how the leading side cast is unbelievably one-dimensional.
For example, I raved earlier in the OT thread about how Mission 43 was such a profound narrative moment for me through almost game play alone, and how I felt that would be a fantastic penultimate mission. In the end though... it didn't actually change much in the context of the story. All it did was yet again serve as an excuse to add yet another "no I didn't do it" moment in the pile for Huey, which is kind of ironic since his interaction with you during that mission was one of the reasons that entire sequence resonated with me so much. He seems to be the only one out of the entire DD squad with somewhat of a conscience.
Hell, after I finished that I half expected that to be the moment where Kaz starts doubting Big Boss but instead he reverts straight back to "wow you're the best than I thought Boss". The story feels like it lacks any sort of friction without the lack of an internal reluctant party, and he feels like he would have fit the mold perfectly due to how we've known since Metal Gear 2 that Miller considers him a monster. I recall that line he had in multiple trailers of the game ("Why are we still here, just to suffer?") was a foreshadowing of that, and that Kaz would be the person who would see the greatest internal struggle and start questioning the moral compass they're on.
Ocelot's performance ties a little bit into it as well I think. Considering how the game reintroduces and spins Big Boss' most iconic rival into his passive lap dog, I think the lack of any gusto on his part isn't just a detriment to the way he made an impression in the past but it also makes the interplay suffer a bit. The game sets up it's ending implying that Ocelot is going to help forward Big Boss and Eli down the path of darkness but I wish we could have seen more of that in the game by making him be more of that little devil on Big Boss' shoulder. I feel like there'd have been so much potential for better drama here if Kaz and Ocelot were bumping their heads a little more since they're effectively two sides of Big Boss' coin. Instead they're all just really the same grumpy interchangeable character with varying degrees of anger depending on cassette tape and cutscene.
I remember I made a post way back when, saying that the game already felt wholly unnecessary by spelling out the MGS chronology, and someone responded to me theorizing that MGSV was Kojima's way of taking Big Boss down the whole Breaking Bad path (and I'm pretty sure Kojima has stated as much in the past since he loves the show). But the reason that "works" in Breaking Bad is because no one in that series ever assumes that Walter White is a good guy, or even justified. He's a diabolic mastermind existing within a facade, and the closest people to him, especially the closest people he works with, are always the most questioning of that while eating themselves away inside at their compliance. MGSV has... none of that, and I almost feel like Kojima is way too attached to Big Boss to call him out. I don't even really want a better conclusion since there's not really much I want explained. I just want a better narrative. The story is the equivalent of a garish and loud party van, aimlessly driving around until someone gets kicked out for not telling the driver that they drank the entire punch bowl, only to immediately resume afterwards.
It's a good thing the game itself was a lot of fun because so much here is wasted potential in my opinion.
Have to say though I find it fucking hilarious that when you boil it down, the main twist of the game, and everything it builds up to, is Kojima attempting to justify how Big Boss survived Metal Gear 1.
I love this comic so much. Pretty sure one of the comics had kid Liquid being a douche too which we find out that he just so happens to be!
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Just finished it. Was dreading the ending because of the negative sentiment on Gaf.
But I fucking loved it.
I can see how people who wanted a big chunk of lore filled out would be mad but I'm glad I didn't get what I expected and glad Kojima didn't feel too beholden to his fans to deliver an insane twist.
But I fucking loved it.
I can see how people who wanted a big chunk of lore filled out would be mad but I'm glad I didn't get what I expected and glad Kojima didn't feel too beholden to his fans to deliver an insane twist.
KOMANI
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If like to add Phantom and Gunship to this list
Charlouie Jonesman
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Seems like Japanese opinions are pretty divided as well.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00UA2AFBC/
I wonder if they're focusing on all the same negative points that we do.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00UA2AFBC/
I wonder if they're focusing on all the same negative points that we do.
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