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But the song isn't about schizophrenia.
ShockingAlberto
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Big Boss' Shoulder Angel: Hey isn't this a lot like sacrificing a soldier for the greater good
Big Boss' Shoulder Devil: Being in a coma sucked
Big Boss: Shoulder Devil's got a good point
Oh, didn't know this either! Listening to it just makes me miss David Hayter as Snake even more...
Kiefer wasn't bad or anything, but not exactly great or worth replacing Hayter's iconic Snake voice :/
lol
Still wish that Kaz and Ocelot could have basically been those figurative shoulder angels/devils. Would have made them so much more fun.
Storm Raider
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The only emotion I truly felt in the game.
The reason is Kojima
Yeah, but 43 tho
Valkyri von Thanatos
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I'm watching the E3 2013 trailer, and how the hell was this more hype than literally anything in the actual game!? They even cut the first Mother Base cutscene way better in this! The scene is framed more evocatively, showing clearly Kaz and Venom's ("Punished Snake's") agony and struggle to continue fighting. The sunset, background struts and helicopters adds even more to the E3 2013 version's gravitas, day and night cycle in cutscenes be damned!
The way the game uses Sins of the Father is a joke, the fact that they didn't take the perfect opportunity to use it in an opening, or at the very least accompany it with any kind of choreographed cutscene is bizarre. It would have literally been more satisfying if after the first ending they had just given you another trailer with the song on a VHS or something...
Also I like Stephanie Joosten's version of Quiet's theme, but I prefer it as the lead-in to Sins of the Father rather than its own song. Most fan rips of the song included the two together since it wasn't common knowledge at all that they were separate tracks, and I actually think Sins of the Father's start is kind of weak in the final version and was better off with the wordless version of Quiet's theme as its beginning. I also kind of think the lyrics of Quiet's theme get in the way of evoking the pain the song originally did.
The way the game uses Sins of the Father is a joke, the fact that they didn't take the perfect opportunity to use it in an opening, or at the very least accompany it with any kind of choreographed cutscene is bizarre. It would have literally been more satisfying if after the first ending they had just given you another trailer with the song on a VHS or something...
Also I like Stephanie Joosten's version of Quiet's theme, but I prefer it as the lead-in to Sins of the Father rather than its own song. Most fan rips of the song included the two together since it wasn't common knowledge at all that they were separate tracks, and I actually think Sins of the Father's start is kind of weak in the final version and was better off with the wordless version of Quiet's theme as its beginning. I also kind of think the lyrics of Quiet's theme get in the way of evoking the pain the song originally did.
Holy shit. He sounds GREAT here. If not Cygan or Doyle, THIS is how Big Boss should sound. He has a lot of presence.
The other DB version of the song deserves some love just for the instruments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpJyRfL45jQ
Finished mission 46 in the morning and since then i've been letting it sink in and just now, after listening to a spotify playlist I made with the songs from the trailers, it finally made me realize why the whole game felt weird.
When I hear the songs in the playlist I still get a kind of nostalgia for a second like wow... those fucking trailers, what a great game this will be. And then it hits me, I already played it and it's not the game I expected after those incredible trailers, incredible hype and incredible everything.
I mean I still remember the fucking Moby Dick ruse. It was really obvious but what a cool way to reveal the game IMO.
It's like my mind can't link all that to the game. I even feel like Sins of the Father is not even the game main theme, it's like it has been borrowed and it's there in the cassette tapes to fill song spots.
At the end I really think Kojima made me feel phantom pain. The pain of never playing the incredible ending a series like Metal Gear deserved.
Still an excellent game, though.
When I hear the songs in the playlist I still get a kind of nostalgia for a second like wow... those fucking trailers, what a great game this will be. And then it hits me, I already played it and it's not the game I expected after those incredible trailers, incredible hype and incredible everything.
I mean I still remember the fucking Moby Dick ruse. It was really obvious but what a cool way to reveal the game IMO.
It's like my mind can't link all that to the game. I even feel like Sins of the Father is not even the game main theme, it's like it has been borrowed and it's there in the cassette tapes to fill song spots.
At the end I really think Kojima made me feel phantom pain. The pain of never playing the incredible ending a series like Metal Gear deserved.
Still an excellent game, though.
I think he has a lot of his awful vocal tendencies, even in that clip.
If he could deliver every line like he does "You join the legion knowing you're already dead" then I'd be on-board.
While I get the disappointment we did get the best stealth game ever made. The mechanics and choices offered here are unparalleled so there is at least that. It could have been way worse.
Kaz: Boss, let's take revenge on Cipher and all traitors that sank our motherbase and buried our brothers in arms in the carribean! Just give me the order and I'll rally the men!
Ocelot: You know fully well that we can't mobilize an attack on Zero just yet, Boss. We're just a few steps from finally ma-
Kaz: WE ARE DIAMOND DOGS! CIPHER! REVENGE!
Ocelot: ENEMY SNIPER! THE LEGEND! CHECK YOUR iDROID FOR DETAILS!
Yeah I know. He has a very particular way of speaking. But honestly, that's part of the charm. At least in my opinion.
Understandable, I just can't stand the gargling delivery. Without it I really like his voice for Snake.
He sounds good here, way better than PW. Maybe it was just the sound direction. I like Kiefer too, but changing the voice actor this late in the series was pretty pointless. It's not like Snake talks much or even emotes in this game.
It is definitely the voice direction.
Speedydonut
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So I just finished and my question is why Tara Strong keeps getting credit and Paz name keeps popping up? Did I happen to miss some cut scenes or was this cut content?
3rd floor, Medical Bay. You missed something. Put your night-vision goggles on to see the door more clearly.
Kenzodielocke
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In the preview for act 2 it seems like it has relevance, but it doesn't in the end.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Fuck, seriously?
He sounds like MGS1 God-tier Snake here.
He can tone it down then. It was bad direction in the end.
He sounds like a combination of MGS1 and MGS2 Snakes to me. Which is well good enough!
UnluckyKate
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In the mission A Quiet Exit, I get one shot everytime when I pop up after a certain point during the tank battle. No idea why, where. Tank ? Sniper ? Specific one ? They keep saying to fight not to run, not sure what trigger to avoid
I think it was safe to say that back at the start of Ground Zeroes with his "keptyouwaitinghuh." delivery.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Man, I'm in camp Hayter here. Kojima dun goofed bad, and karma's a cold bitch.
I pray to the pipedream god's that Konami sells the franchise for whatever amount and we get a Hayter Snake MG sans Kojima sometime.
EchoChamber
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This game gave me a phantom pain :/
E3 2013 trailer
Kaz: "The world calls for wet work, and we answer. No greater good, no just cause."
"In Outer Heaven, men become demons".
Actual game
"Boss we gotta save the world! Also I guess the whole world apparently wants us dead even though we took out a doomsday machine and neutralized a genocide parasite."
It still bothers me that Kaz is the one mostly hellbent on revenge. He's a wasted character in this.
Zomba13
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It's just a terribly designed mission where the tanks in the second half (the big, proper tank tanks) one hit kill you not matter what and always know where you are and the shots kind of home in on you.
Zombie James
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For me it was always a tank out on one of those hills.
RedAssedApe
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as a standalone performance, i like kiefer's big boss better than hayters.
that being said, the plot twist and ending to this game just begged to have hayter voice big boss.
logic and retconning ground zeroes be damned...i mean they already had big boss voiced by richard doyle in mgs4. would have been a nice bit of fan service.
that being said, the plot twist and ending to this game just begged to have hayter voice big boss.
logic and retconning ground zeroes be damned...i mean they already had big boss voiced by richard doyle in mgs4. would have been a nice bit of fan service.
Can't say I missed that stuff. Sometimes I wished they'd gone with David Hayter just so people would shut up, but who am I kidding. What we got in MGSV was a huge improvement.
Yabberwocky
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I haven't been the biggest Hayter fan from MGS3 onwards, but he sounds fantastic here. Just. Goddamnit. I still prefer Sutherland for MGSV, but damn, missed you, Snake.
KOMANI
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I don't like Kris Zimmernan at all. The best part of her was Pat Zimmernan... And they're divorced now.... So....
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GreyOcelot
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da fuq? he sounds absolutely nothing like mgs1 snake in this
Goddamn. I could really get behind BB/Medic with this voice. It's a good blend of classic hayter but older and gruffer. A far cry from whatever was going on in PW.
ShockingAlberto
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Hayter has always been a fine actor. The voice direction just always asked him to cartoon it up.
Unknown One
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Hayter with his natural voice is the best Hayter to me. The only MGS games where you sounded natural was MGS1 and MGS2, mostly MGS1 though.
Of course it was bad direction. They would have fired him on the spot if his BB voice wasn't actually supposed to sound like that.
ZeroMaverick
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At this point, I think that people are just going to will Chapter 3 into existence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6uVcZ0x8qM
Apparently if you play the game until its actually your birthday date then you will trigger this cutscene...
Well what I want to know is that what happens if you don't have Emmerich or Quiet in your team... then what happens in the cutscene?
Apparently if you play the game until its actually your birthday date then you will trigger this cutscene...
Well what I want to know is that what happens if you don't have Emmerich or Quiet in your team... then what happens in the cutscene?
In all honesty, I don't see eye to eye with most people on this thread. Personally, I loved the story and I liked everything in it.
Can't deny how flawed and needlessly truncated a lot of it is. But I still really liked it for what it was. And I'm a long-time MGS fan.
Apparently they're just not in it :/
I'd say Hayter was solid (lol) in MGS1, MGS2 and MGS4 all around. I do agree that MGS1 is the best since he makes Snake sound like a natural at his job who is still having things about his assignment withheld from him. In MGS2 though he's pretty decent at being more of a commanding presence; not Big Boss commanding but more confident in his own skin now that he knows what to do. In MGS4 he really sounds like someone who's aged too quickly in spite of his mental state and he sounds suitably conflicted about it.
It's just the Big Boss voices that he's not good at.
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Xpike
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the real ruse is when Kojima goes free in december and publicly posts on twitter every single piece of planned content they cut due to konami wanting it out now
ZeroMaverick
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Okay, yes, most conspiracy theories are batshit, but why does Ishmael ("Big Boss") have no beard and two perfectly good eyes?
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