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[Dahbomb]

the real ruse is when Kojima goes free in december and publicly posts on twitter every single piece of planned content they cut due to konami wanting it out now

I don't think that will happen because Konami would just sue Kojima over it.

However if there's some massive internal leak over it...oh boy....

 

[TheSeks]

Okay, yes, most conspiracy theories are batshit, but why does Ishmael ("Big Boss") have no beard and two perfectly good eyes?

Oversight?

One glass eye, I'd take it.

 

[Valkyri von Thanatos]

the real ruse is when Kojima goes free in december and publicly posts on twitter every single piece of planned content they cut due to konami wanting it out now

"Quiet was originally dating sim character. Minigame after episode 45 to bring back, got scrapped to release day."

"Kazuhira embezzling GMP, original burger storyline with Codetalker lost in rush to finish. Venom finding burger scene 30% done, final "demon" transformation after stealing Kaz's secret recipe. I am sorry for losing."

 

[UrbanRats]

I don't think that will happen because Konami would just sue Kojima over it.

Assuming he signed such an NDA.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

One glass eye, I'd take it.

But the beard?


And this is at least interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/pBZzovN.jpg


I'm getting sucked in again

 

[Hellwarden]

Assuming he signed such an NDA.

Well they can't sue the real Kojima, since he's in hiding. They can only go after Venom Kojima.

 

[Dick Justice]

In semi-related news, I just found out David Hayter was in Dragon Age: Inquisition recently.

He sounds like a hybrid of his Snake voice and his "nice guy 90s anime" voice (though leaning a lot on the former).

He seems to be switching between his normal voice and his "Snake" voice quite a bit. He does sound more like MGS1 Snake though, and it's great.

 

[Unknown One]

I'd say Hayter was solid (lol) in MGS1, MGS2 and MGS4 all around. I do agree that MGS1 is the best since he makes Snake sound like a natural at his job who is still having things about his assignment withheld from him. In MGS2 though he's pretty decent at being more of a commanding presence; not Big Boss commanding but more confident in his own skin now that he knows what to do. In MGS4 he really sounds like someone who's aged too quickly in spite of his mental state and he sounds suitably conflicted about it.

It's just the Big Boss voices that he's not good at.

Casting him as Big Boss was a terrible decision. It just solidifies Big Boss as a Clone character. Richard Doyle would be fitting.

 

[TheSeks]

Remember that low blow comment he made during the first promotional video of mgsv?

No?

And yeah, it seems like anytime Kojima is "slighted" he breaks all contact with that person.

 

[Ran rp]

In semi-related news, I just found out David Hayter was in Dragon Age: Inquisition recently.

He sounds like a hybrid of his Snake voice and his "nice guy 90s anime" voice (though leaning a lot on the former).

he's so inconsistent here. it almost sounds like two people are trying to talk at once.

 

[Falcker]

the real ruse is when Kojima goes free in december and publicly posts on twitter every single piece of planned content they cut due to konami wanting it out now

Can you blame them for wanting it out now? The games budget was pretty huge, has it even broke even yet?

I imagine they were not up for giving Kojima even more time and money after seeing how far he was from completion.

 

[SJRB]

No?

And yeah, it seems like anytime Kojima is "slighted" he breaks all contact with that person.

Hayter didn't respond in the most professional manner when it turned out Kiefer was hired to voice Big Boss.

Changed his profile pic to a pic of Kiefer and said some pretty disgruntled stuff. Lost a lot of respect for the dude because of that.

 

[Xpike]

think the loss of fukushima affected the game a lot because now kojima didnt have a trusty cowriter to help him do extra research and stuff while he helped design the actual game. dude probably was completely overworked in 4 and V. I really want to know why he didn't stay for at least MGS4 the finale of the series.

 

[Ishida]

But the beard?


And this is at least interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/pBZzovN.jpg


I'm getting sucked in again

That theory is giving Kojima waaaay too much credit. The lack of beard on Ishmael was merely to misguide players and fuck logic.

And the time of the day in the scenes with Ocelot with Big Boss and Ocelot departing on the whaling ship with Ahab was a (pretty big) mistake.

That's all. The truth is that the story of this game was poorly planned and executed.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

You can go back and forth on the quality of the VA, but the one constant is that the writing is mostly awful. I've never considered Kojima a particularly skilled writer in that regard. I think he's a guy who has remarkable, interesting ideas, but hasn't the skill to distil that into really compelling dialogue. The guy just needs to feed his idea to a skilled writer. The series hasn't moved on much since MGS in terms of writing. I've also never been sure just how intentional the really camp moments in the series are. Is the blatant homoeroticism of the series intentional or a by-product of a blissfully unaware individual? I don't know, but it makes for a really unusual juxtaposition to have these high camp elements mixed with these uber serious moments. Tonally, it's the strangest mainstream game you'll ever play, it's all over the place and that's great in its own way. I just wonder how much of it is intentional.

What I find odd is the rare moments of subtlety he overwrites in subsequent games. I thought the explanation of Liquid possessing Ocelot was more interesting when it was a supernatural by-product of him being The Sorrow's son. Then there's Vamp, who, if you pay close enough attention, seems to be healed by water in some way in MGS2. A far cry from the catch all deus ex machina of nanomachines in MGS4. Kojima embraces the supernatural elements of the series in one sense, only for him to quickly abandon them when faced with how to explain them. In a way, post MGS2, it's a series defined by vocal, negative fan reaction. It's had a profound effect on Kojima and his approach to the series, I feel.

agree with you on all points. And kojima definitely takes note of some of the more vocal criticism, I'd say he began pandering with the beginning of mgs2. Raiden is the byproduct of what he thought more people would like, he was largely disliked and then he turns him into a cyborg ninja. That point brings me to his love of how fans demonstrate love for the series, so he makes characters cosplayable even if it's at odds with the tone of the series. The campiness seemed to hit an all time with mgs3 and I think at that point there was no return, because it's lauded as a great title, but not for the same reasons that made mgs1 great imo. It is strange how the series puts emphasis on graphical fidelity, but then turns up the campiness several notches. I think these design philosophies are at odds, the corny dialogue, homoeroticism and overtly sexual character designs would lend itself more towards a more anime aesthetic.

 

[Victarion]

But the beard?


And this is at least interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/pBZzovN.jpg


I'm getting sucked in again

I want to believe.

 

[GreyOcelot]

he's so inconsistent here. it almost sounds like two people are trying to talk at once.

he's not a good voice actor at all, but he fit perfectly with the solid snake character as depicted in mgs1 and 2. he wasn't asked to do anything out of the range of his ability. after that a combination of them asking him to alter his voice to suit the character and the fact that his performance changed a bit. having said all that, he wasn't terrible in mgs3 or 4 either.

kiefer is a much better actor, and unfortunately severely underutilized in mgsv

 

[bistromathics]

You know, I really wish there were an option to invert controls for your rocket arm, while keeping normal controls for gun aiming. I have a fucking impossible time flying that thing.

 

[SJRB]

That theory is giving Kojima waaaay too much credit. The lack of beard on Ishmael was merely to misguide players and fuck logic.

And the time of the day in the scenes with Ocelot with Big Boss and Ocelot departing on the whaling ship with Ahab was a (pretty big) mistake.

That's all. The truth is that the story of this game was poorly planned and executed.

Hmm.. never really thought about the huge time of day difference between the two scenes. My guess is Kojima wanted to go for a cinematic "Driving off into the sunrise" shot and said fuck it.

 

[bistromathics]

I think these design philosophies are at odds, the corny dialogue, homoeroticism and overtly sexual character designs would lend itself more towards a more anime aesthetic.

GIANT. ROBOTS.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Not having Hayter voice Big Boss was such a missed opportunity. Maybe it would've given away the twist at the start, but who didn't know what was going on anyway?

 

[ZeroMaverick]

That theory is giving Kojima waaaay too much credit. The lack of beard on Ishmael was merely to misguide players and fuck logic.

And the time of the day in the scenes with Ocelot with Big Boss and Ocelot departing on the whaling ship with Ahab was a (pretty big) mistake.

That's all. The truth is that the story of this game was poorly planned and executed.

So either Kojima is getting too much credit


Or he's that sloppy with the story?

Idk
I just don't see him getting that sloppy. Or maybe he just didn't give a fuck

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Not having Hayter voice Big Boss was such a missed opportunity. Maybe it would've given away the twist at the start, but who didn't know what was going on anyway?

Going by a lot of the reactions in the last thread: Most people.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Hayter didn't respond in the most professional manner when it turned out Kiefer was hired to voice Big Boss.

Changed his profile pic to a pic of Kiefer and said some pretty disgruntled stuff. Lost a lot of respect for the dude because of that.

He probably felt very offended, this is the guy who gave up half of his paycheck to get the original VA back for Twin Snakes and really felt love towards his role. It doesn't excuse his behavior (especially now that it's been revealed to not be a ruse) but it's understandable to an extent, especially because he wasn't even contacted about MGSV at all.

I kind of like the idea of Hayter as Boss in MGS3, as a young 29 year old Big Boss, but casting him as 39 year old Boss in Peace Walker was the real mistake. He's already jaded and on his descent by that point, and essentially a different character. The voice direction probably asked for an "older Snake" so he used a warped version of his Old Snake voice, but BB just ended up looking and sounding like a pirate. I agree that Richard Doyle is the best Big Boss, but I actually really, really like Kiefer Boss too. He's just underused in his own game.

 

[bistromathics]

Not having Hayter voice Big Boss was such a missed opportunity. Maybe it would've given away the twist at the start, but who didn't know what was going on anyway?

I feel you and I was totally thinking the same thing...

...but that would make no sense because of the GZ stuff. And this is a franchise lauded for its continuity

 

[Mooreberg]

Not having Hayter voice Big Boss was such a missed opportunity. Maybe it would've given away the twist at the start, but who didn't know what was going on anyway?

The most brilliant charade would have been Hayter doing the voice for Big Boss in Ground Zeroes, followed by a "controversy" that resulted in Sutherland being the voice in Phantom Pain. The only problem is that it is probably difficult to manufacture a crisis when your corporate overlords are in actual crisis.

 

[nocturnedelight]

Wait a minute.... why does everyone celebrate the birthday you entered at the beginning? It's most likely not the real BB's birthday. Too bad that didn't trigger some mental break down or something.

 

[Valkyri von Thanatos]

Another huge missed opportunity (bigger than resolving Eli's story IMO) is the lack of internal strife in Diamond Dogs. I thought the game would have a more realistic and pessimistic interpretation of the Peace Walker concept of recruiting opposing forces and just believing they'd settle their differences to work for you. I was sure the "race" part of the old "race and revenge" concept was going to play into this, that their would be ethnic conflict and harassment between Russians, Afghans, Angolans and Zairians.

I thought that Diamond Dogs was destined to fall apart because the various cultures were just too strong and hateful of one another, and that this would lead BB to decide that he needed to fully commit to the idea of a "nation" instead of a PMC, to forge a new culture to keep loyalty in check. I thought the scene of the two Diamond Dogs soldiers was gonna be a conflict between two people who spoke different languages and held fear and contempt for each other so they got in a fight.

The ethnic conflict within Diamond Dogs I was sure was going to tie into some kind of insurrection by Kaz as shit continued to hit the fan and BB went more and more off the deep end. Maybe the two problems wouldn't be directly related, but the internal unrest would be motivation for the troops for mutiny or civil war.

 

[Robot Pants]

But the beard?


And this is at least interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/pBZzovN.jpg


I'm getting sucked in again

So we did play as
Big boss? Just the shrapnel made him schizophrenic?

I would have been 100% down if this were the case and each twist was revealed coherently in the story. With what we got however, I think it's reaching.

 

[GreyOcelot]

Wait a minute.... why does everyone celebrate the birthday you entered at the beginning? It's most likely not the real BB's birthday. Too bad that didn't trigger some mental break down or something.

i think you're looking into this too much. it's an easter egg for the player. same thing with the MB soldiers commenting to you about the twist. it's meta commentary aimed directly at the person holding the controller

 

[TheStruggler]

Didnt mind Keifer, there were times he nailed it and times where I was like ....ehhh. Thinking about it I would have enjoyed a dark Liam Neeson voice. "I dont know who you are, if you are looking for diamonds rest assure I do not have any, but what i do have are a very particular set of skills, skills that I have acquired from my mentor that make me a nightmare for people like you, I will find you and I will kill you!"

 

[The Silver]

he's so inconsistent here. it almost sounds like two people are trying to talk at once.

he's fine when he first starts speaking but at the end of every sentence he starts to sound like marble mouth Snake

 

[TheSeks]

https://twitter.com/drilface

did we go too far

https://twitter.com/drilface/status/641430807278546944

OMG.

Hayter didn't respond in the most professional manner when it turned out Kiefer was hired to voice Big Boss.

Changed his profile pic to a pic of Kiefer and said some pretty disgruntled stuff. Lost a lot of respect for the dude because of that.

Ah, yeah. Now I remember. I can't blame him. He was never told of the change before hand and learned about it like the rest of us.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

GIANT. ROBOTS.

Word. But look at Rex and its very subdued and tankish design. Now compare that the sahelanthropus. The latter is anime as fuck and the former was created by otavon with anime in mind.



AnimeWasaMistake.gif

 

[Moronwind]

And the time of the day in the scenes with Ocelot with Big Boss and Ocelot departing on the whaling ship with Ahab was a (pretty big) mistake.

2:32
Big Boss exits the car wreckage and meets up with Ocelot.

3:07
Ahab wakes up, is attacked by Volgin and is rescued by Ocelot at the nick of time, who then escorts him to the whaler.

5:59
Ocelot meets up with Big Boss once more to say goodbye before boarding the ship himself.


Where is the mistake?

 

[Ishida]

2:32
Big Boss exits the car wreckage and meets up with Ocelot.

3:07
Ahab wakes up, is attacked by Volgin and is rescued by Ocelot who escorts him to the whaler.

5:59
Ocelot meets up with Big Boss once more to say goodbye before boarding the ship himself.


Where is the mistake?

That's assuming that Ocelot left Ahab alone in the whaler, and we see nothing like that in the prologue. They get on the ship, Ocelot gives him the arm, they depart.

 

[Resilient]

Saha when it's crouching and shooting the Rail Gun looks exactly like Rex, it's pretty next.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Saha when it's crouching and shooting the Rail Gun looks exactly like Rex, it's pretty next.

I noticed that too, it's like a (non-working) prototype Rex.

 

[crazyrabbits]

2:32
Big Boss exits the car wreckage and meets up with Ocelot.

3:07
Ahab wakes up, is attacked by Volgin and is rescued by Ocelot at the nick of time, who then escorts him to the whaler.

5:59
Ocelot meets up with Big Boss once more to say goodbye before boarding the ship himself.


Where is the mistake?

Ocelot goes to pick up BB when Venom is still unconscious in the ambulance.

It's also highly unlikely (if not outright impossible) that Ocelot would suddenly walk away from the freighter he and Venom were going to and spend three hours going back to get BB, especially when the former indicated that they needed to leave as soon as possible. And that's not even getting into how BB grew a full head of hair and beard in three hours, despite never showing it through his bandages.

It's a continuity error. Then again, it's not like anybody gave a shit about the series' internal continuity for that ending, anyway.

 

[JayEH]

Okay, yes, most conspiracy theories are batshit, but why does Ishmael ("Big Boss") have no beard and two perfectly good eyes?

Oversight?

He's probably wearing a mask just like how Kojima did when he first presented TPP.

 

[The Silver]

I noticed that too, it's like a (non-working) prototype Rex.

Hey Hal we need you to design a machine just like this, but it actually has to work without an AI or a psychic child.

And don't make it stand up, that shit was dumb and we need to keep costs down dammnit.

 

[sexyelder]

But the beard?


And this is at least interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/pBZzovN.jpg


I'm getting sucked in again

I believe this

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Hey Hal we need you to design a machine just like this, but it actually has to work without an AI or a psychic child.

And don't make it stand up, that shit was dumb and we need to keep costs down dammnit.

One thing I never understood about this, although it's probably me being dumb and not a fault in the writing: how did Hal unintentionally design a bipedal nuke? If he designed it for an entirely different purpose, how did it become a nuclear machine?

 

[Xpike]

i think saying kojima is a complete hack is exagerating too, Huey and Eli's stories are pretty great and Shining Lights is top 20 MGS moments I think.

 

[Ishida]

One thing I never understood about this, although it's probably me being dumb and not a fault in the writing: how did Hal unintentionally design a bipedal nuke? If he designed it for an entirely different purpose, how did it become a nuclear machine?

He was told that REX's objective was to shoot down nuclear weapons, not to carry one.

 

[RadioJoNES64]

Funniest fucking shit.

 

[The Silver]

One thing I never understood about this, although it's probably me being dumb and not a fault in the writing: how did Hal unintentionally design a bipedal nuke? If he designed it for an entirely different purpose, how did it become a nuclear machine?

Hal didnt know about the railgun, Armstech equipped it with one without telling him.

 

[sexyelder]

That theory is giving Kojima waaaay too much credit. The lack of beard on Ishmael was merely to misguide players and fuck logic.

And the time of the day in the scenes with Ocelot with Big Boss and Ocelot departing on the whaling ship with Ahab was a (pretty big) mistake.

That's all. The truth is that the story of this game was poorly planned and executed.

U arent giving kojima enough credit. Remember his past work. He would not let that shit slide.

 

[rtcn63]

Funniest fucking shit.

It's crucial in helping evidence that Huey's a psycho. Later he badgers BB (or something) about how he couldn't kill/gun down a man and not hate himself, shit like that.

 

[Ishida]

U arent giving kojima enough credit. Remember his past work. He would not let that shit slide.

Well, to be honest, after finishing this game I believe Kojima just didn't give a shit about the plot anyways.