Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER

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Vega is a great character design. The issue is that no one actually played him in SF4 for a variety of reasons to do with system and move/combo design choices in that game.

but denshuu played him for six years already. I'm assuming everyone else "forgetting" about Vega also played him for half a decade too.


In other news, they added Birdie to this game after years of absence from the series. Get hype
 
Stop discriminating Necro, he's way better than that spanish rapper ninja.
Edit: Ibuki, Q, R.mika, Urien, Karin, Alex, Yun and Dudley are all more popular than Vega in Japan.
 
Clearly someone never played Street Fighter II...
Played it and if I were to forget one of the world warriors it'd be him. Okay, tbh I'd probably forget Dee Jay or T.Hawk first.
None of the SFII characters are forgettable.
'Kay
I'm sorry but Vega has been around for far too long to be less popular than the characters you mentioned.
Did you even read the the post I quoted and my response? As a 3S character it's very likely he'd struggle to reach the top of the cast. Of course he'd be more memorable as a SFII character.

See:
People in this thread would like him more if he were either:
A. a female character.
B. a character stuck in third strike
I think you are severely overestimatind those 3s characters and underestimating ST. Those claims might be true for the FGC (even then they're bold) but not for the general public. Not even close.
My claims are just bullshit I'm spewing like everything else in this thread after Karin's reveal. People in here are swearing up and down the Sim/Gief are on their way and that Vega is really on the same level as Ryu, Ken, Chun, Cammy, Akuma, Bison or Guile.

I'm just throw my own 2 cents into this mess.
A celebrity cosplaying a character means a celebrity is cosplaying a character. Would you really be using this argument had Jamie been cosplaying Rose or Makoto? :/
 
Psn needs to put 3rd strike on their ps4 store

I'd be so fucking happy if this happens. I really hope they port it to next gen. My hope is that they package New Generation and Second Impact together with Third Strike like what they did with the Alpha collection on PS2.
 
None of the SFII characters are forgettable.

Blanka and Honda

There are already plenty of cool females that wouldn't turn into megabitches with his personality and Vega would still trail behind Ibuki, Makoto, Alex, Urien, Dudley, the Twins, Gill and Q in the popularity department. Honestly, he'd probably be a bit more popular than Twelve and Necro, but that is it. At best he'd hope to be Oro tier.

Vega is the definition of forgettable. Nobody would even remember him if it weren't for the movie where he got his shit pushed in violently by Chun Li for being a creeper.

Vega scored high in the popularity poll though.

I consistently forget Deejay is from SF2.

Why though? He was played a lot in Turbo, wasn't he?
 
I'd be so fucking happy if this happens. I really hope they port it to next gen. My hope is that they package New Generation and Second Impact together with Third Strike like what they did with the Alpha collection on PS2.

Alpha Collection and III Collection would be amazing

throw in CvS2 PS2 classic with online play and we're set
 
You'd use it if they were cosplaying as Hsien-ko.
Pikachu is like the only popular character in my top 5 of all time iirc.I wouldn't use that as ammo like you think but holy hell would it be neat to see a known celeb cosplaying Lei Lei lol. She's barely on the same planet compared to Morrigan and even she'd struggle to be known as a "memorable" character as the face of Darkstalkers.
Vega scored high in the popularity poll though.
Don't know which one. There are lots and to me there is a difference between scoring high as a SF2 character and high as a 3S character. Of course, the scores/places are highly dependent on when they last appeared and such, so Vega would be at a disadvantage.
 
Vega is pretty popular guys. He was unique IN SF2 as the only dude with weapons (and was pretty good IIRC). And in the movie his fight with Chun was gdlk and the only part most people even remember.

Not Ryu, Ken, or Chun level for sure but he is up there
 
Don't know which one. There are lots and to me there is a difference between scoring high as a SF2 character and high as a 3S character. Of course, the scores/places are highly dependent on when they last appeared and such, so Vega would be at a disadvantage.

This one in particular. Personally Vega did nothing for me up until I saw his gameplay in V. I would have loved Boxer or Sagat instead of him if they were going with a Shadowloo sub boss in this game, but at least he looks promising.

Definitely the most boring reveal though.
 
Vega was one of the most striking characters in SF2 IMO lol

The mask, having a weapon, wall jumping everywhere, the best fucking stage in SF2, his squeaky voice,, the naming debacle, etc. You might not like him - I sure don't - but saying he's forgetable is some delusional shit.
I'll admit that I really went overboard. All this talking down about 3S characters in regards to the remaining 2 "classic" slots kinda had me on edge and then we had to get Vega in the convo when he's already in lol. It takes more than a gender swap or a 3S slot to make a character popular and memorable. Honestly we wouldn't be having this convo if the roles were reversed and one of 3S' top five characters were in ST instead.
This one in particular. Personally Vega did nothing for me up until I saw his gameplay in V. I would have loved Boxer or Sagat instead of him if they were going with a Shadowloo sub boss in this game, but at least he looks promising.

Definitely the most boring reveal though.
It's not very high. I thought I was going to see top ten or something.
 
Vega is pretty popular guys. He was unique IN SF2 as the only dude with weapons (and was pretty good IIRC). And in the movie his fight with Chun was gdlk and the only part most people even remember.

Not Ryu, Ken, or Chun level for sure but he is up there

He (and Sim) fit in SF2 but should have stayed in SF2 imo. Very late 80s/early 90s designs, but nobody used them after SSF2. When you think SF2 Vega, yes, you think borderline iconic. Weird dude in a mask with a claw who would climb up a fence and yodle while doing short jumps and pokes. Memorable (for being uniquely annoying) in SF2, but pretty stupid now & more importantly nobody cares anymore, the proof is all around us. His reveal for SFV was a total dud.
 
He (and Sim) fit in SF2 but should have stayed in SF2 imo. Very late 80s/early 90s designs, but nobody used them after SSF2. When you think SF2 Vega, yes, you think borderline iconic. Weird dude in a mask with a claw who would climb up a fence and yodle while doing short jumps and pokes. Memorable (for being uniquely annoying) in SF2, but pretty stupid now & more importantly nobody cares anymore, the proof is all around us. His reveal for SFV was a total dud.

Nobody cares on this forum.

The Rainbow Mika youtube reveal has more dislikes than the Vega one
 
He (and Sim) fit in SF2 but should have stayed in SF2 imo. Very late 80s/early 90s designs, but nobody used them after SSF2. When you think SF2 Vega, yes, you think borderline iconic. Weird dude in a mask with a claw who would climb up a fence and yodle while doing short jumps and pokes. Memorable (for being uniquely annoying) in SF2, but pretty stupid now & more importantly nobody cares anymore, the proof is all around us. His reveal for SFV was a total dud.

bro are you serious or not about the 250 dollar bet?
 
Vega has a sick design and he looks awesome in V.

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We don't have to talk about his actual face though
 
Who? Oh yeah, the punching bag.

Dee Jay is one of the better characters in Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Not top tier, but he's good. I think his terribleness in SF4 has ruined his rep

Edit: and IMO, the 12 initial SF2 characters are all iconic. They may not be the best designs, but they're definitely the most iconic.
 
Dee Jay is one of the better characters in Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Not top tier, but he's good. I think his terribleness in SF4 has ruined his rep

Edit: and IMO, the 12 initial SF2 characters are all iconic. They may not be the best designs, but they're definitely the most iconic.

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Definitely. They transcend video game media. Some of these characters have recognition close to Mario and Link imo.
 
Definitely. They transcend video game media. Some of these characters have recognition close to Mario and Link imo.
I thought I was going overboard until this. Makes me glad because I don't feel so silly anymore. I hate to break it to you, but Link isn't even on the same level as Mario. This is coming from someone with nearly 20 years of Nintendo experience.
 
I thought I was going overboard until this. Makes me glad because I don't feel so silly anymore. I hate to break it to you, but Link isn't even on the same level as Mario. This is coming from someone with nearly 20 years of Nintendo experience.

Sure, Mario is King, but Link is up there too. There is no statistical data that measures this, but I am sure he is not that far behind Mario, right? The trio in my head have always been Mario, Link and Pikachu.
 
I'd be so fucking happy if this happens. I really hope they port it to next gen. My hope is that they package New Generation and Second Impact together with Third Strike like what they did with the Alpha collection on PS2.

Oh man, that would be fantastic indeed!

That or at least a new port of 3rd Strike where we can choose the music and stages from the first two games this time.

(Personally I'd also like a new, 4th game in the III series to happen while we're at it, with a few new characters, new stages and balance changes, but the chance of that ever happening seems minuscule.)
 
I would spend so much money on a Capcom fighting game collection for current gen with ggpo.

Alpha anthology is so amazing. I need it on my ps4.
 
Kinda hard to forget stereotypes.

I don't mean to single you out Sayad; this is something people commonly say about the old designs and I want to talk about it.

Which stereotypes are you talking about? All Japanese people are sumo wrestlers? All russians are 9 foot tall wrestlers? All Indian people stretch? All Brazilians are monsters? All USA army mans have bizarre flat-top hair?

People constantly say these original designs are too stereotypical, but I'm feeling argumentative and I'm going to say they are not.

Sumo is a discipline specific to Japan. So is it a stereotype, or just a culturally-based character choice? The game also has Ryu, who is a generic man in a gi. No stereotype there. Is it stereotypical that he does Karate, a Japanese martial art?

Are these things "stereotypes" because they are sometimes grounded in the culture of their nation? Chun-li's clothing is a possible example of stereotyping. Like, why is she fighting in this traditional Chinese outfit when it's 1992 or whatever and she's a policewoman? And her fighting style is of her culture, but again, I don't think that's sufficient to claim stereotyping.

The classic definition of stereotype is a broad statements about a whole group of people that essentializes them and, consequently, results in individuals being pre-judged in terms of those beliefs. Asians are good at Math. Blacks are better athletes. But Chun-li doesn't fight with calculus, and all the characters in the game are good athletes.

So can someone make the case that these are actually stereotypes, in a bad way, and not just cultural representations that look a touch out of date to our modern eyes?

I mean, is LeBron James a stereotype because he's a tall, athletic black man who plays basketball? To me that's the same as saying Honda is a stereotype because he's a Sumo wrestler from Japan.

Note: I'm not arguing this to say that the old designs should be maintained forever or anything. I'm fine with whatever changes they want to make. I'm not particularly invested in them at all, I'm just interested in the subject of representation and stereotyping.
 
Lmao at people saying Vega reveal was bad, he got a random trailer out of nowhere. It was barely even a reveal event.

when fking Cammy was revealed at e3. The biggest gaming event. She also remained 99% the same, got an already existing move remapped to vskill and a fking generic as hell powered up V trigger.
 
Lmao at people saying Vega reveal was bad, he got a random trailer out of nowhere. It was barely even a reveal event.

when fking Cammy was revealed at e3. The biggest gaming event. She also remained 99% the same, got an already existing move remapped to vskill and a fking generic as hell powered up V trigger.

gamescom is pretty big brah
 
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