Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER

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And I said that I would welcome Zangief if they made enough changes to him, like you said with Fuerte. What was the issue there?

You want him changed so that he doesn't slow matches to a crawl. That is his character. He's got tons of health so that he can take big risks to get in. You're not doing a lot of damage to gief, typically, because you're not landing a lot of combos on him. That is the archetype. There is nothing like that in SF5 right now. I don't know how you'd retool him, but we already have a fast, mobile grappler in Mika. Making him play similarly to her would be redundant, it would take away the type of grappler that Gief is supposed to be, that was created with him.

Like I said, he slows matches to a crawl because you have to be patient fighting him. He can kill you in a few grabs. In SF5, that'll be exacerbated, I'd guess.

And I would also argue that Rufus doesn't bring anything particularly unique to the table. He's a different kind of offensive because of his divekicks, but he's still another really offensive character in a long line of them so far. So while he brings diversity in his playstyle, he doesn't diversify the cast in any unique way the way Gief would.
 
You forget Seth, Gouken, Oni, and Decapre. Where would you rank them?

Lol forgot about them


1. Juri - love her design and love the psychotic personality
2. Abel - boring personally but super fun to play, at least for me
3. Viper - enjoyed playing her more in mvc3, but I still love her design(reminds me of KOF which I also love)
4. Haken - neat and odd design and unique play style, he's a ok in my book
5. Gouken - it's cool to finally see him in a game, didn't play much of him myself tho
6. Decapre - I'm a fan of the dolls and she has a fun play style but design wise she felt so uninspired, But I guess that's just the nature of the cammy like characters. We probably won't see her again as we have 9 more dolls to get to.
7. El fuerte - completely indifferent to this character.
8. Oni - super akuma. Meh.
9. Seth - my least favorite boss character. Hope to never see him again.
10. Rufus - hate him and his design. Can't stand him. Hope to never see him again.
 
It's tragic that Abel is the protagonist of IV.

The fact that I keep forgetting he even exists is the weirdest thing. I forget that he was supposed to be the protagonist even more. Not a bad character just completely unmemorable to me.

Also to Neoxon, the issue I have with Yun and Yang, (besides finding their play styles a bit annoying but that's my problem haha), is that they really only work as a team. I know crossover games have only had one of them in the past, but solo I just find them really generic. So for me at least, you'd have to use 2 character slots to make them interesting and that just doesn't seem to be worth the investment. I'd rather two very different characters that stand well on their own.

That's just me though, I'm sure most would disagree.
 
You complain about diversity yet put it down yourself. Fuerte, Rufus etc. also bring different playstyle to the table and make the player adjust accordingly but they are well hated characters so it's okay to exclude them from the conversation? Okay.

If you like Zangief and his play style then that's fine, just say so. But don't make it sound you are speaking for playstyle diversity in general, because you are not.
Zangief's playstyle is one of the best in SF4. I love watching matches with him.

Now if they have a good grappler who could be Hagger or someone equivilent than I don't have an issue because I am positive Zangief will be DLC but to me Zangief is one of the best SF characters.
 
Here's the thing, Capcom has lied before about characters in their games, it's not a foreign thing. Okay sure, the whole Sentinel thing was a mistranslation, but they did lie about Hsien-Ko & they also straight-up lied about Decapre (who was guessed by many). And if I recall, didn't one of the UK guys hint at Ken not being in the game, only for us to get Ken at SDCC? All I'm saying is that we shouldn't count Siliconera out just yet, more so since they're 2/4 so far (that plus they leaked Alex & Urien first). Zangief & Dhalsim would just be a lame finish to a rather hype ride, even counting DLC. And neither would really offer much to the story. On the flip side, Alex could serve as the bridge between IV & III's story threads, & obviously Urien would be the Illuminati rep of the game (an organization that we know will play a major role in the game's story).

But seriously, would you want your last 2 base roster reveals to be golf clap-tier or standing ovation-tier? I guarantee you that if it's Zangief & Dhalsim, a majority of the reactions will be the former (barring hardcore Zangief & Dhalsim fans). That being said, I do understand your confidence. Hell, I'm just as confident, if not more so, about the NX being a platform rather than a singular system. The difference here is that we're talking about a company who's willing to blatantly lie about their fighting game rosters to keep their surprises a surprise, even in the face of leaks.
Yes I believe them since their current decisions and approach have been much more community friendly.

Also why do you keep saying what would and wouldn't add to the story when you have no clue what the story for this game is? I get you can logically infer what could make sense but nothing is set in stone. Story seems like the least likely to be effective in terms of determining the roster since nothing about the story is actually known, just assumed at this point
 
You want him changed so that he doesn't slow matches to a crawl. That is his character. He's got tons of health so that he can take big risks to get in. You're not doing a lot of damage to gief, typically, because you're not landing a lot of combos on him. That is the archetype. There is nothing like that in SF5 right now. I don't know how you'd retool him, but we already have a fast, mobile grappler in Mika. Making him play similarly to her would be redundant, it would take away the type of grappler that Gief is supposed to be, that was created with him.

Like I said, he slows matches to a crawl because you have to be patient fighting him. He can kill you in a few grabs. In SF5, that'll be exacerbated, I'd guess.

And I would also argue that Rufus doesn't bring anything particularly unique to the table. He's a different kind of offensive because of his divekicks, but he's still another really offensive character in a long line of them so far. So while he brings diversity in his playstyle, he doesn't diversify the cast in any unique way the way Gief would.

Like I said, you like his playstyle and that's fine. I don't so I would like changes, nothing wrong with that.

To me slowing a match down to a crawl isn't fun and isn't needed to define a playstyle for a bulky character.
 
Zangief's playstyle is one of the best in SF4. I love watching matches with him.

Now if they have a good grappler who could be Hagger or someone equivilent than I don't have an issue because I am positive Zangief will be DLC but to me Zangief is one of the best SF characters.

Right. It doesn't have to be Gief, but the playstyle needs to be in there. And I agree, watching a good Gief in SF4 (or any SF) is amazing.

I just say it should be Gief (or Haggar) because new characters should be new and not fill playstyles existing characters already have.
 
You'll be getting a Brazilian female & someone from South Asia as the last newcomers (supposedly from India).

Yeahhh but we already got a few world warriors from those places. Still excited to see them tho. Hope they're awesome and not Rufus like.


Gimmi an Australian or New Zealander capcom. But please not a Kangaroo.
 
I'd love to see themed DLC character releases. Having Haggar, Cody, and Guy released at the same time would send my hype levels into orbit.

Also, every time someone writes something (semi) nice about Hakan it brings a tear to my eye. :')

On the flip, juri has a good design and easier to play. She is also a bundle of "appeals" (multiple anime fetishisms budled into one).

Im glad I'm super ignorant when it comes to anime. I like Juri and if I knew what the heck you were talking about I feel like I wouldn't.
 
Now that it's in my head I went on a Google search to see if Australia has its own fighting style/tradition and they do; it's called Coreeda. It's apparently one of the oldest sports/fighting styles in the world. Lots of flips and all fours combat, and imitating the red kangaroo.
 
Yes I believe them since their current decisions and approach have been much more community friendly.

Also why do you keep saying what would and wouldn't add to the story when you have no clue what the story for this game is? I get you can logically infer what could make sense but nothing is set in stone. Story seems like the least likely to be effective in terms of determining the roster since nothing about the story is actually known, just assumed at this point
We already know that the Illuminati will play a major role in the game's story thanks to the Charlie Nash comic, & Ken Bogard leaked that story is a big deal with SFV. And USF4 was pretty community-open, & we got Decapre.
 
Like I said, you like his playstyle and that's fine. I don't so I would like changes, nothing wrong with that.

To me slowing a match down to a crawl isn't fun and isn't needed to define a playstyle for a bulky character.

Haggar to the rescue.

I'd love to see themed DLC character releases. Having Haggar, Cody, and Guy released at the same time would send my hype levels into orbit.

That would be great.
 
I'm still convinced that it will be Alex and Urien just from the leaks after karin was announced.

It really doesn't matter to me but I don't have an issue if it is third strike characters.
 
I'm still convinced that it will be Alex and Urien just from the leaks after karin was announced.

It really doesn't matter to me but I don't have an issue if it is third strike characters.

At this point I would be surprised if it's someone other than them.
 
At this point I would be surprised if it's someone other than them.

Even if, say, Dhalsim and Zangief get announced as part of the launch roster I fully expect to see trailers for Alex and Urien before the game launches just from the pace that they are doing character reveals.
 
And people say the Zangief reveal wouldn't be exciting. It would be like when Robin was revealed for Smash for a lot of people!

I think if Zangief or Dhalsim are announced this late in the game they would be heavily retooled from their previous iterations. I can't imagine a Cammy-style reveal where they go "Hey, they're back and 90% unchanged."
 
It would be exactly the same! People think we know the roster, then a crazy unexpected character gets revealed.
Not really. Chrom, an expected character that would play like existing characters, was replaced by Robin, another newcomer who's completely unique. Zangief is just the same old character who's been in almost everything.
 
Not really. Chrom, an expected character that would play like existing characters, was replaced by Robin, another newcomer who's completely unique. Zangief is just the same old character who's been in almost everything.
We're talking about veteran reveals lol, of course he's not a newcomer. Although as King Awesome points out, he may be different enough to practically be a newcomer anyway. I'm also confused why you hate Zangief so much, but best to prepare yourself.

I think if Zangief or Dhalsim are announced this late in the game they would be heavily retooled from their previous iterations. I can't imagine a Cammy-style reveal where they go "Hey, they're back and 90% unchanged."
 
Final Fight pack would be Haggar, Maki and Sodom. Believe.

He was based on Yun & Yang in his gameplay, so him being fun to play comes as no surprise. But once the OGs came into SFIV, Rufus no longer had a reason to exist. Hopefully he fades into the backdrops of SF obscurity so Yun & Yang can prosper in that gameplay style.

The same applies to the majority of the roster in SF4.
 
We already know that the Illuminati will play a major role in the game's story thanks to the Charlie Nash comic, & Ken Bogard leaked that story is a big deal with SFV. And USF4 was pretty community-open, & we got Decapre.

We don't already know that, it can logically be inferred but there's no certainty.

What if Zangief is secretly part of the illumaniti or sim has some information about them. You don't know the story, so you don't know who is or isn't important to it. You're just writing fanfiction prior to release that may or may not be correct.
 
We're talking about veteran reveals lol, of course he's not a newcomer. Although as King Awesome points out, he may be different enough to practically be a newcomer anyway. I'm also confused why you hate Zangief so much, but best to prepare yourself.
I don't hate Zangief (though I do prefer Haggar), I just think that he'd be a dull end to this hype ride.

We don't already know that, it can logically be inferred but there's no certainty.

What if Zangief is secretly part of the illumaniti or sim has some information about them. You don't know the story, so you don't know who is or isn't important to it. You're just writing fanfiction prior to release that may or may not be correct.
I'd hardly call an official Capcom-UDON comic fan-fiction.
 
I don't hate Zangief (though I do prefer Haggar), I just think that he'd be a dull end to this hype ride.

I'd hardly call an official Capcom-UDON comic fan-fiction.
Are you sure? Half your posts are about how you think they should have just given us the same old 3S characters instead of remixing them into characters like Abel and Rufus, and the other half are about how you wish Capcom would just replace Zangief with Haggar/complaining about how we always play as the same old characters. A little weird.
 
The fact that I keep forgetting he even exists is the weirdest thing. I forget that he was supposed to be the protagonist even more. Not a bad character just completely unmemorable to me.

Also to Neoxon, the issue I have with Yun and Yang, (besides finding their play styles a bit annoying but that's my problem haha), is that they really only work as a team. I know crossover games have only had one of them in the past, but solo I just find them really generic. So for me at least, you'd have to use 2 character slots to make them interesting and that just doesn't seem to be worth the investment. I'd rather two very different characters that stand well on their own.

That's just me though, I'm sure most would disagree.

I would. The twins are pretty strong alone, and were technically at weakest in CVS2. (Yun /w Yang)

Yun is a strong character solo, even above the majority of SF's overall roster. Yang is almost just as good only to fall behind by a few characters. I can't see how they're generic, their designs were based off of Gundam Wing's Duo and Trowa, and they're really just two powerful ass Chinese street punks. I mean it's kinda expected being the grandsons of Gen, but still overall their vibe is one that you can't find many places, especially elsewhere in SF.
 
Are you sure? Half your posts are about how you think they should have just given us the same old 3S characters instead of remixing them into characters like Yun and Yang, and the other half are about how you wish Capcom would just replace Zangief with Haggar/complaining about how we always play as the same old characters. A little weird.
It's mainly the lame ones like Rufus & (to an extent) Abel that I was referring to. And like I said, although I'm Pro-Haggar, I don't hate Zangief. I just wouldn't prefer him as one of the final reveals.
 
It said "To Be Continued in Street Fighter V", so that's close enough.

For all we know, that's a small part of the story itself and just giving some back story/hype for Nash. The fact is that nothing's fully confirmed yet as to which direction the story will go.


A better way to explain this, how do you know with 100% certainty that Gief and Sim wouldn't add anything to the story?
 
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Ya'll didn't know? Zangief is Decapre's lover. Their child will be a new character who has been aged artificially by Shadowloo as part of the Illuminati's plan.

There... I can write ridiculous fan fiction and talk about how it fits in the street fighter 5 story too.
 
Ya'll didn't know? Zangief is Decapre's lover. Their child will be a new character who has been aged artificially by Shadowloo as part of the Illuminati's plan.

There... I can write ridiculous fan fiction and talk about how it fits in the street fighter 5 story too.

Did you know their child is Dhalsim though?
 
Ya'll didn't know? Zangief is Decapre's lover. Their child will be a new character who has been aged artificially by Shadowloo as part of the Illuminati's plan.

There... I can write ridiculous fan fiction and talk about how it fits in the street fighter 5 story too.

Still waiting on Vega and Cammy's baby.
 
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