And Capcom does what's your point?
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And Capcom does what's your point?
zedreamcast
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Spinoff, doesn't count.
Nightengale
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A few problems against your argument :
a. Firstly, even though the KH franchise is predominantly non-numbered spin-offs, the importance of each game's story is recognised. Which is why 2.5 includes BbS, and why 2.8 is a necessary 'collection', because despite being non-numbered, BbS is essentially KH0 and DDD is KH 3. They may not be treated as a numbered title in production values, but in terms of story? They are.
b. Unlike SF Alpha/Zero, which was actually called Street Fighter ZERO in non-western territories, KH has a consistent naming scheme across all regions. There's no misunderstanding about what KH are spin-offs and what aren't, unlike SF Alpha/ZERO which is very clearly a 'numbered prequel' to Asia/Japan, but the west is given the terrible misleading name called Alpha.
c. SE =/= Capcom.
My point is that it doesn't matter how relavent it is to the series, the creators can still treat it like it's secondary to the others. Alpha is so relavent and retcons so much because it was the first time they actually tried to have a story. It doesn't mean it can't be treated as a seperate series.
a. Yes, that's exactly why I said BBS: it is KH0, but it's not treated like it is.
b. Both Alpha and ZERO imply that they come before the rest of the series, so the name doesn't actually make a difference outside marketability. It's whether or not these games being super relavent means it gets put in the same category with the rest of the series despite their prequel status that makes or breaks this argument.
c. Anyone can make this distinction, it's just a question of how they see their series.
I said numbered Street Fighter games (sans SFI), with Alpha being in its own section. And by numbered, I was including SFIII (as per the Siliconera leak).
He was? A bunch of people quoted me saying that the theory I posted about was a good one (though it's basically the same as delSai's).
VideoGamerTV gave their impressions on the Karin build of Street Fighter V. If you listen closely, you can hear more of Karin's English voice.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Link to your previous post?
Gaf went crazy from my post as expected haha.. I wouldn't take my post as a guarantee for Alex and Urien, though I think they are more likely now. Matt has been a journalist for several years, so I am sure he knows not to "spoil" anything
We will see!
I know one way to blow up gaf though:
-The 2 new characters are revealed with respective Ono teasing and live event
-A random day a character reveal of Gief AND Dhalsim is announced Vega style. It shows character redesign and all is good. Trailer fades to black. You hear "Crush, Kill, Destroy! .. At ease loser"
-Alex and Urien has their separate reveals at other dates and Capcom has fooled us with 18 instead of 16 characters in starting roster
We will see!I know one way to blow up gaf though:
-The 2 new characters are revealed with respective Ono teasing and live event
-A random day a character reveal of Gief AND Dhalsim is announced Vega style. It shows character redesign and all is good. Trailer fades to black. You hear "Crush, Kill, Destroy! .. At ease loser"
-Alex and Urien has their separate reveals at other dates and Capcom has fooled us with 18 instead of 16 characters in starting roster
Gaf went crazy from my post as expected haha.. I wouldn't take my post as a guarantee for Alex and Urien, though I think they are more likely now. Matt has been a journalist for several years, so I am sure he knows not to "spoil" anything
I know one way to blow up gaf though:
-The 2 new characters are revealed with respective Ono teasing and live event
-A random day a character reveal of Gief AND Dhalsim is announced Vega style. It shows character redesign and all is good. Trailer fades to black. You hear "Crush, Kill, Destroy! .. At ease loser"
-Alex and Urien has their separate reveals at other dates and Capcom has fooled us with 18 instead of 16 characters in starting roster
Thanks for the info on Rashid a few pages back, really appreciate. I'm sure gonna give him a try at launch.
As for the reveal, I really don't care one way or the other as I like all 4 guys in this debate, but I realy wish they gave all the 3S fans out there what they deserve, and I agree that revealing SIm and Gief at this point would kinda kill the hype.
I just hope Sim and Gief show up at some point via DLC because I happen to really love them, both design and playstyle-wise, I'm weird like that.
No problem
I will hopefully get more Rashid in today!Looking to test all moves through v-trigger, as well as conversions from ex fireball on hit and anti air fireballs gouken style!
Septimus Prime
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What is that, the PS5 port?
Tizoc
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No offense but I still don't
Note the following however: Ryu and Ken are at the top, both are originally from SF1. Yes Birdie is from SF1 as well however, he's only in the Alpha area because of his darker skin look from the Alpha series.
Furthermore recall how characters are positioned in SSF4 and onwards. I think Capcom are just trying doing a red herring here.
Capcom has fooled us with 18 instead of 16 characters in starting roster
I firmly believe this is the case, but not Alex and Urien. The 2 secret character slots are reserved for Akuma and the game's boss. It will be Alex/Urien or Gief/Sim for the last 2 returning characters though.
On the Alex and Urien note, I have been thinking, there must be a reason why all the returning OG characters are all from Alpha, and that there is a lack of third strike characters so far in the roster.
Some of these third strike characters would have easily replaced Birdie and Vega.
and Cammy who should have been replaced with Guile if we talking SF2 characters.
Like I said before, Capcom doesn't do unlockable characters like that, anymore (or to be specific, Capcom doesn't do Smash-style secret characters, anymore). They haven't done such a thing since Vanilla SFIV & Vanilla MvC3 (thanks to backlash from fans & tournament organizers alike). Any secret characters will most likely be DLC.
Beelzebufo
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It's worth clarifying again: when people say "secret characters" I think more often than not they mean DLC characters, but maybe a special easier one.
Like say Urien is the boss of the story, but he's supposed to be like a surprise right? So he's only in a special boss form in the game at launch, and meanwhile Capcom's working on a playable version. He launches on the DLC store in a week, and say like by beating the story you get enough fight money to buy him. He's available so soon that he might as well have been a secret character even though he's DLC, because the DLC is free.
That makes sense right? Even if it may not be what's most likely going to happen? Substitute Akuma for Urien if the idea of Urien not being one of the default 16 characters gets you all hot and bothered.
Like say Urien is the boss of the story, but he's supposed to be like a surprise right? So he's only in a special boss form in the game at launch, and meanwhile Capcom's working on a playable version. He launches on the DLC store in a week, and say like by beating the story you get enough fight money to buy him. He's available so soon that he might as well have been a secret character even though he's DLC, because the DLC is free.
That makes sense right? Even if it may not be what's most likely going to happen? Substitute Akuma for Urien if the idea of Urien not being one of the default 16 characters gets you all hot and bothered.
Stone Ocean
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Anyone hoping for secret characters is setting themselves up for disappointment
I don't think they're going to be secret characters in the vein of Vanilla SF4 and Marvel, but more like, "We lied to you guys, the roster is actually 18 characters, now go buy the game".
Ken Bogard said 16 characters from the start. If Capcom had 2 more characters planned, he would have mentioned that in his initial leak.
denshuu
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I don't actually want to play characters from SF2 again, but it would bother the hell out of me if they just put half of Shadaloo in the game. We can't split those dudes up. That's why SFEX bothered me so much. Bison shows up on his own, and that's fine because he's the leader, but then Sagat and Vega show up without Balrog. There must be symmetry.
zedreamcast
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Balrog and Sagat both left Shadaloo.
Sagat left Shadaloo as of Alpha 3 & Balrog left as of SFIV.
Beelzebufo
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But sagat was still grouped with the rest in 4 yeah?
For the sake of SFII nostalgia, yes. That plus the fact that 3 out of the original 4 were still together. And even then, the story didn't really show Sagat as being with Shadaloo. Now half of the original Shadaloo Kings are gone.
Plans change though. Capcom is probably currently working on ~20 atm the moment with varying development stages. If one or more are done by release, why not announce them a day 1 bonus to hype their debut?
Plus, you gotta have Gouki in there mang.
Lol you guys dig up some old ass shit
I really cant see Gief and Sim being the last 2 characters, Capcom did so well until now with the reveals, the hype is thru the roof and then the last two returning characters are supposed to be those two? Nah no way, they would've been revealed way earlier because at this point it would totally kill everything they build up so far.
I believe the Siliconera rumor. Bring back the best Street Fighter, Alex.
Is that 20 counting the initial 16? Even then, they'll probably save those characters for the first month of DLC to maintain a steady pace of DLC releases (see Splatoon).
This guy also gets it.
Beelzebufo
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"I want Alex so I think he's obviously on the roster"
Yes. Honestly, I am thinking this is the case because Capcom is announcing their characters at a really fast pace. So we either get this game really early next year, or it's coming by the end of Q1 with bonus characters.
Unless, Capcom will be releasing story episode trailers to sustain the hype like MvC3, but those usually come with new character announcements.
I'm agreeing with the idea of Zangief & Dhalsim killing the hype. If we were gonna get those two, we would have had them revealed a long time ago, with Rainbow Mika being saved as one of the last reveals. Maybe Karin would have stayed at TGS given her Japanese popularity, but that's a 50/50 chance for a what-if scenario.
If I recall, we're supposed to be getting this game before the end of Capcom's fiscal year.
denshuu
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If they're putting characters in this game because they're beholden to a storyline, then they're going about the entire character selection process the wrong way. The canon doesn't matter. Putting the four SF2 bosses in the SF2 box makes sense.
Beelzebufo
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Which is basically a different way of saying "I want this character and not that character, so obviously Capcom would be smart to put in this character"
I think it's a mix of both story & gameplay that Capcom factors into who's being included. It's been theorized that the green section is actually for the main Street Fighter games (specifically the II-III-IV games), while the blue section was for the Alpha characters. For Street Fighter V, it's likely that this game will serve as the bridge between IV & III, and the Illuminati will play a role in the story (as per them being responsible for Charlie's return). And like Zangief & Dhalsim, Sagat & Balrog would dampen the hype that Capcom built up & would have been revealed earlier on if they were in the game.
Beelzebufo
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Someone should make an official scale of the Hypeness Rating of each Street Fighter character. Someone with objective tastes. Then when Street Fighter VI is revealed Capcom will be able to reveal characters in the correct order.
"Mr. Ono, we know you want to reveal Blanka's return at Brazil Gamescon next week. But according to Blanka's Hypeness Rating score, our analysts predict he will have the most impact at San Diego comic con. Reveal Twelve instead."
"Mr. Ono, we know you want to reveal Blanka's return at Brazil Gamescon next week. But according to Blanka's Hypeness Rating score, our analysts predict he will have the most impact at San Diego comic con. Reveal Twelve instead."
DryEyeRelief
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I nominate Hours Left
So the green section is for numbered SF games. Yet every character revealed forth green section so far have been SF2 characters. Seems like too much of a coincidence they could have had atleast one SF3 character by now. Story stuff can be post DLC as well as anime cutscenes or pictures. Personally I wouldn't be less hyped if Gief was revealed. I'd be excited to see him on the new engine and what changes were made as well as the V Skill and V Trigger. Bison and Ken both got me hyped.
I used to think the same then Vega was announced.
zedreamcast
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Even though Ken and Ryu are both Street Fighter 1 characters, so is Birdie.
Didn’t Matt Dahlgren explicitly say that there are going to be 8 expected/classic/familiar characters, 4 newcomers, and 4 characters “we haven’t seen in a while”? Those numbers match up perfectly to the color-coded picture. Separating Alpha from the rest of the series seems really arbitrary to me. I think it makes much more sense to expect 8 Street Fighter IV characters and 8 fresh characters. It's an even mix.
We did get 2 characters in the span of a week (Rashid and Karin). Next reveal should be during or before Brazil Game Show on October 8th.
Maybe at the Electronic Game Show in Mexico on October 2nd, but it's not guaranteed. We'll definitely get reveals at the Brazil Game Show on October 8th & at New York Comic Con on October 10th.
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