Dick Justice
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Hey guys, did you know my name means "Peace" in Spanish?
Hey guys, did you know my name means "Peace" in Japanese?
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Hey guys, did you know my name means "Peace" in Spanish?
Hey guys, did you know my name means "Peace" in Japanese?
Well, at least Coldman tried to make a point. Skull Face? Not so much.
gray_fox224
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So was Major Zero in cahoots with the real Big Boss the whole time?
It is my understanding that Zero and him had a huge falling out after MGS 3....
It is my understanding that Zero and him had a huge falling out after MGS 3....
Sumio Mondo
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Coldman was a pretty whack villain too, to be honest. The last game to feature any great villains was Portable Ops, honestly (I don't consider Liquid Ocelot in MGS4 a villain considering his end goal and Vamp was just forgettable in that game).
He made his point with "Language" and a lust for parasites.
He made his point with "Language" and a lust for parasites.
ShockingAlberto
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I was thinking more about the Kojima/Konami split, especially in light of the recent Junji Ito stuff, and I had totally forgotten about when he tried to re-center attention on the Vita.
Konami had no game announcements for the system, having felt burned from Peace Walker, and Kojima announced that Fox Engine was being built to support it, it was going to get MGS HD, and ZOE HD, and whatever else he could put on there. Then it goes on to be a Wii U-like failure.
The years between MGS4 to MGSV are a string of really, really bad decisions by Kojima. Konami sucks, but I am unsure I would have kept my patience were I paying his bills, either.
Konami had no game announcements for the system, having felt burned from Peace Walker, and Kojima announced that Fox Engine was being built to support it, it was going to get MGS HD, and ZOE HD, and whatever else he could put on there. Then it goes on to be a Wii U-like failure.
The years between MGS4 to MGSV are a string of really, really bad decisions by Kojima. Konami sucks, but I am unsure I would have kept my patience were I paying his bills, either.
Skull Face makes a fine point about Western cultural imperialism and how the dominant culture can oppress minority cultures. Cultures live and die by their language, and languages shape viewpoints.
His remedy for the problem is batshit crazy, of course, but that's why we love him.
RevolverRoden
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Honestly I don't remember a single thing about hot coldman other than that he was bald. Worst villian hands down in MGS.
At least Skull Face has his unforgettable line (you know what it is).
Sumio Mondo
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Galvez was similarly lame. Strangelove could hardly be called a villain either considering she joins forces with Big Boss. And don't even get me started on Paz, she was a terrible "villain". Peace Walker has the worst villains in the series.
Mr. Smiley
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I'm still mad Rocket Peace isn't an attack with the bionic arm.
Dick Justice
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People call MGSV "Peace Walker 2". With regards to having to ram the themes of the game down your throat over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, it certainly seems like it.
I want an alternate reality MGS title where Kaz's Chemical Burger really does cure third-world hunger and bring about world peace, only for the planet to become embroiled in a new breed of war: The Fast Food Fight.
Private food franchises spiral out of control, committing acts of terrorism to sabotage each other as they compete to make the ultimate chemical burger. And then Kaz learns of a plot in Africa... A burger to surpass the Chemical Burger...
Private food franchises spiral out of control, committing acts of terrorism to sabotage each other as they compete to make the ultimate chemical burger. And then Kaz learns of a plot in Africa... A burger to surpass the Chemical Burger...
When you look at how incomplete MGSV is considering the vision we heard, it's not really all that surprising that Konami and Kojima had a falling out after the last delay. If they wanted to do the "full" thing, this never would have come out.
Also, I had a hard time getting "emotional" about any of the "emotional" scenes in this game because none of them are set up at all. Huey's trial was downright confusing. Quiet's ending is probably the closest it gets, but even that's kind of muddled by simply not having a whole lot of meat there. It's all surface level, there's nothing behind it. Like the second strain on the quarantine bay. It exists because they wanted zombie references, not because they wanted to say something meaningful. What do we learn about Big Boss there? That he's willing to kill men who are completely uncurable? Sure, Huey is yelling at him and telling him how awful he is, but that makes no sense because there really is no other option. It's all very random and has no placement in the story. The resolution of it also leads to nothing as well.
It's just frustrating because the scenes themselves are really well done, but they're just meaningless.
RIght?! You would think it would've been obvious. But I guess nothing ever really is...
lol Peace Walker had a better story then what we got here, too. It had a hell of a climax and a fun twist and a very "Metal Gear" finale battle, even if you did have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get to it.
Dick Justice
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Y'know what? Hot Coldman is probably the biggest hero of the series, if only for this scene.
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Whereas the prologue is linear and feels more like a sequel to the main games, the rest of the Phantom Pain does indeed feel like Peacewalker 2. Yet, Ground Zeroes feels like it's an amalgamation of a Main game and Peacewalker.
The Paz subplot was great and is probably the best story moment of the game (and sadly isn't actually part of the campaign and is easily missed).
But it's not on par with moments like Gray Fox sacrificing himself to save Solid Snake and prove to him that they aren't tools and pawns to those in charge, Big Boss having to fight and kill the Boss and the aftermath in MGS3 and Old Snake's last fight with Ocelot and reconciling with Big Boss in his last moments in MGS4. At least not to me.
Skull Face will be forever remembered for his overall silliness at least.
No one here really wants to remember Hot Coldman.
Skull Face was poised to wipe out the English language, escalate the Cold War with Sahelanthropus (inspiring fear in the public), and equip every government, PMC and terrorist cell with homegrown nukes and the means to launch them, trapping the world in a state of Mutually Assured Destruction that, in his eyes, would achieve peace.
It's true he didn't have his finger over a shiny red launch button, but he was close and he was a threat.
Not taking anything from Coldman, though. Just saying Skull Face had to be stopped.
RevolverRoden
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Yeah I know. My point is that he wasn't memorable.
just changed my mind about Coldman. Dudes the best.Y'know what? Hot Coldman is probably the biggest hero of the series, if only for this scene.
tbh I hate hearing Otacon's voice come saying such scummy things. Otacon is THE MAN and theres no way you can't like him. But Huey.. Ugh
ShockingAlberto
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He left Quiet around to maybe kill Big Boss.
Which seems kind of pointless because he can barely talk. Maybe Skull Face was sitting in that jeep going "Fuck fuck fuck back-up plan isn't going to work fuck"
I do... =(
Ironically - at least for me - Coldman is a fucking nobody in terms of character memorability.
ShockingAlberto
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He had the same plan every Metal Gear villain had.
World of nukes + let's change war????
He also got killed by a third party and had like three scenes in the game before his death.
I'm actually kinda glad they differentiated Huey and Otacon like that.
It also makes the whole "Otacon cuckolded his father into suicide" even more hilarious and rewarding than depressing and awkward.
Doesn't skull face's entire plan revolve around having baby mantis? I mean, I thought the whole idea was that they never were able to get Sahalanthropus (spelling??) actually working, and it's mantis that was doing all the work. But they literally never had control over mantis, and it's unclear if he was even around them all that much. What an awful plan.
Red Blaster
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huey's characterization is one of the lone bright spots of mgsv's barely there plot
RevolverRoden
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Yo... That "NOOOOOOO" at the end of Paz's story is definitely Kiefer's best-performed line. Might be one of snakes best lines hands down across all games. GOOSEBUMPS
Huey is a well-done piece of shit. He flatters whoever is in power (BB, Skull Face, then BB again), just so he has the means to make his weapons of mass destruction, not caring how they're used or who they hurt. And when he sees a better opportunity, he betrays his current benefactor. You just know that if BB was trapped under the girder instead of Skull Face, Huey would've shot BB, as well.
He betrays BB by selling out the original Mother Base in Ground Zeroes. He betrays Skull Face by contacting BB and arranging his escape. He betrays BB again by trying to re-weaponize the parasites and sell them off to clients like DARPA. Along the way he murders his wife because she didn't like him putting their child at risk as a test subject. He also tries to assassinate Snake's character by criticizing how he handled the second pandemic, trying to make Snake look like the monster.
To be fair, though, Huey does hit on some truths about how the Diamond Dogs have become like a band of pirates and are hypocritical at best in their moral code. It's the pot calling the kettle black, but it's still hitting on some truths.
Really interesting character.
He betrays BB by selling out the original Mother Base in Ground Zeroes. He betrays Skull Face by contacting BB and arranging his escape. He betrays BB again by trying to re-weaponize the parasites and sell them off to clients like DARPA. Along the way he murders his wife because she didn't like him putting their child at risk as a test subject. He also tries to assassinate Snake's character by criticizing how he handled the second pandemic, trying to make Snake look like the monster.
To be fair, though, Huey does hit on some truths about how the Diamond Dogs have become like a band of pirates and are hypocritical at best in their moral code. It's the pot calling the kettle black, but it's still hitting on some truths.
Really interesting character.
I was just addressing the scale of the threat and saying it was considerable. Not whether Skull Face appeared enough in the story or whatever.
I like the language angle, though. Each villain's scheme is just an excuse to explore a topic.
This reminded me of the scene in Robocop where Clarence Boddicker and his gang shoot up Murphy.
Huey constantly changes his story in every interrogation. He lies constantly. And all the circumstantial evidence gives them good reason to be suspicious, before a literal AI pod recording of Strangelove's final moments confirms the truth.
DannyDanger
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Huey was a better and more fearsome villain than Skullface.
There, I said it.
Huey wasn't afraid to act and kill his enemies, he literally pulled the trigger whereas Skullmanfaceperson just talked non-stop about his bacteria. The guy couldn't even take a hint that Venom was bored out of his mind and didn't respond through the whole jeep ride.
There, I said it.
Huey wasn't afraid to act and kill his enemies, he literally pulled the trigger whereas Skullmanfaceperson just talked non-stop about his bacteria. The guy couldn't even take a hint that Venom was bored out of his mind and didn't respond through the whole jeep ride.
I didn't use the Rocket Arm enough to really look into this, but is there a way to invert its flight controls?
RevolverRoden
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Yeah I'm glad they did too.
DannyDanger
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ShockingAlberto
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My only issue with Huey is how weirdly paced everything is.
- Extract him
- Miller: He's lying, we just need proof.
- Huey: Snake here's a D-Walker
- Ocelot: Let's having him build a small Metal Gear because that always works out.
- Snake: I went to Africa to find out where Skullface is. Turns out he's in Afghanistan. Hi-larious, right Kaz?
Huey: Oh yeah he's right there, I don't know why I didn't mention that.
- Huey: I'm in this helicopter to give you tips about my Metal Gear! But we didn't record any tips, so, uh, good luck.
- Snake: Let's bring Huey's Metal Gear back.
Kaz: Why
Snake: For a symbol.
Kaz: Couldn't we, like, just bring the head or something?
Snake: Symbol
Kaz: But this clearly isn't a good idea, why are we--
Snake: Sssssssssssssssyyyyyyyymmmmmmm
Kaz: Okay fine
- Ocelot: Hey Huey is working Sahaelanthropus even though we told him not to and keep him in a brig with almost no security.
- Eli: I stole the giant mech that Huey let me repair even though none of that should really matter because it's being controlled by a ghost so it really shouldn't be relevant if it's repaired or not but woooo thanks Huey
- Miller: Go get Huey's AI Pod, we can use it for evidence that he's betraying us.
Snake: ...
- Miller: There's a radiation leak, but Huey said it's oaky
Snake: ...
- Miller: The radiation leak was a trap, Huey betrayed us!
Snake: ...
- Miller: Okay we're going to have a trial to use all this proof against Huey that we have
Snake: ...
- Miller: He's guilty, let's kill him!
Snake: NO WAIT
- Extract him
- Miller: He's lying, we just need proof.
- Huey: Snake here's a D-Walker
- Ocelot: Let's having him build a small Metal Gear because that always works out.
- Snake: I went to Africa to find out where Skullface is. Turns out he's in Afghanistan. Hi-larious, right Kaz?
Huey: Oh yeah he's right there, I don't know why I didn't mention that.
- Huey: I'm in this helicopter to give you tips about my Metal Gear! But we didn't record any tips, so, uh, good luck.
- Snake: Let's bring Huey's Metal Gear back.
Kaz: Why
Snake: For a symbol.
Kaz: Couldn't we, like, just bring the head or something?
Snake: Symbol
Kaz: But this clearly isn't a good idea, why are we--
Snake: Sssssssssssssssyyyyyyyymmmmmmm
Kaz: Okay fine
- Ocelot: Hey Huey is working Sahaelanthropus even though we told him not to and keep him in a brig with almost no security.
- Eli: I stole the giant mech that Huey let me repair even though none of that should really matter because it's being controlled by a ghost so it really shouldn't be relevant if it's repaired or not but woooo thanks Huey
- Miller: Go get Huey's AI Pod, we can use it for evidence that he's betraying us.
Snake: ...
- Miller: There's a radiation leak, but Huey said it's oaky
Snake: ...
- Miller: The radiation leak was a trap, Huey betrayed us!
Snake: ...
- Miller: Okay we're going to have a trial to use all this proof against Huey that we have
Snake: ...
- Miller: He's guilty, let's kill him!
Snake: NO WAIT
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Mother Base is more unbelievable than M.A.S.H.
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