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Damn... made my day
It's not as though they had quarterly world domination meetings with the commanders of their secret society and one Tuesday Zero didn't show up with tea and biscuits. They initially worked for Cypher/Zero who according to Skull Face in GZ has been in hidings since Les Enfants Terribles and issuing orders through proxies. It's only natural that Zero's system of hiding himself become a weakness others like SF exploit.
These guys have probably been doing evil ass shit on behalf of Zero via orders sent through his proxies and relayed to XOF via Skull Face. He simply cut the proxy out and there is no reason for the XOF people to even know or suspect. Chain of command.
Kojima too sly for mere mortals.
So I always wondered. Did Ocelot know who his parents were? There were hints that he and the Boss knew about their relationship, but I could be totally wrong.
SNAKE: Major, I found a sniper rifle! And just before I need to face The End. What luck!
ZERO: Oh, yes. Did you say something Snake? I'm afraid my biscuit has broken up in my tea. What were you saying?
SNAKE: ... Nevermind.
ShockingAlberto
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It should be easy enough to mod the PC version to replace the Target Tests with textures of Skull Face making faces while the Snake Eater theme plays
Actually, I'd have to dig through the tapes, but I'm nearly positive you're right about XOF not knowing the difference. I think there's a line or two that says Skull Face's men didn't know Skull Face was doing his own thing.
Regardless, XOF clearly don't have a conscience. That hospital scene...
Red Blaster
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remember when she died of surprise cancer while otacon cries over facetime on a circa 2007 macbook pro
ShockingAlberto
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They wouldn't have had to talk, even. Just being able to stumble on him watching it silently would be a nice acknowledgment that wouldn't veer too far into overt fanservice.
Though a scene with The Sorrow being disappointed in him from a distance would have worked as well.
I couldn't believe my fucking eyes and ears. Otacon "crying" into his laptop was probably the most stupid thing I've ever seen in a videogame.
That scene pretty much singlehandedly ruined what had otherwise been a good chapter
That scene, and Meryl rolling around in Arsenal Gear with the guy who shits his pants, and every scene where Drebin droning on about something...
Normally a shaved monkey in a diaper drinking soda pop would salvage the scene, but not even that helped.
Does anyone in the games know that Ocelot is the Boss' son?
I think Big Boss should have put the pieces together, but whether he ever told Ocelot is another thing. They are supposed to be close so it wouldn't be farfetched, but how do you ever drop into a conversation "soooo...I think I killed your mother".
And Naked Snake is portrayed as sort of dumb, so maybe the whole "snake shaped scar" that Eva mentioned to him flew over his head in the heat of the battle with The Boss.
I think Big Boss should have put the pieces together, but whether he ever told Ocelot is another thing. They are supposed to be close so it wouldn't be farfetched, but how do you ever drop into a conversation "soooo...I think I killed your mother".
And Naked Snake is portrayed as sort of dumb, so maybe the whole "snake shaped scar" that Eva mentioned to him flew over his head in the heat of the battle with The Boss.
Graphics Horse
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That's more like afterwards. His entire support team refuse to talk about any of the bosses after you've fought them. He has to call up a chinese spy because nobody else gives a shit.
ShockingAlberto
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MGS4 committed a lot of sins, but the one that stands out most to me (aside from Big Boss crashing the ending like Jay Leno on the Tonight Show) was making Johnny Sasaski a named character who was actually an attractive guy and married Meryl at the end.
I bitch about MGS4 being bad fanfiction a lot, but if it ever came to trial, Johnny Sasaki would be my exhibit A.
Did the Boss even know?
The main reason that we know is because of the hint Eva gives BB in Snake Eater during an optional codec call, about his mom having a scar on her torso.
I think The Boss is the only one who may have know. Maaaaybe Volgin. The Boss acts weird around Ocelot a couple of times. She certainly didn't tell him. But the game never really comes out and say that The Boss knew, just hints at it somewhat.
Hey check this out, people just found evidence of a fifth B&B member in MGS4. Here's an excerpt from the Drebin codec:
Drebin: "Shitting Salamander... Y'know, Snake, she wasn't always so... gritty. There was a time when she was just... pretty. A sweet lil' thing no more than 12 years of age. That's when the bandits came to town... Her parents worked in a manure factory, making fertilizer. The bandits raided the factory, and burned it to the ground... Poor lil' Salamander had to watch her parents die, covered in burning shit. She had no choice but to cover herself in shit, and play dead. As the bandits looted the bodies for gold fillings and family heirlooms, they would crouch and take shits on the bodies. Most of them shat on Salamander. She never forgot that experience..."
Drebin: "Shitting Salamander... Y'know, Snake, she wasn't always so... gritty. There was a time when she was just... pretty. A sweet lil' thing no more than 12 years of age. That's when the bandits came to town... Her parents worked in a manure factory, making fertilizer. The bandits raided the factory, and burned it to the ground... Poor lil' Salamander had to watch her parents die, covered in burning shit. She had no choice but to cover herself in shit, and play dead. As the bandits looted the bodies for gold fillings and family heirlooms, they would crouch and take shits on the bodies. Most of them shat on Salamander. She never forgot that experience..."
Freedom = $1.05
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Naomi literally had the cure for cancer but decided it would be more fun to do sexy dances with Vamp and not wear a bra instead.
like fuck the patriots, she could've revolutionized medicine for all of mankind and gotten a nobel peace prize and forever been one of the greatest persons in the history of the world. but kojima
like fuck the patriots, she could've revolutionized medicine for all of mankind and gotten a nobel peace prize and forever been one of the greatest persons in the history of the world. but kojima
Considering how ridiculous, abrupt and contrived Naomi's instantly-effective, nanomachine-suppressed cancer was, it'd actually make more sense if it were eventually revealed to be an incredibly bad attempt at faking her death to escape Otacon and the crushing weight of her past. Until she's captured to work on the space station made entirely of metallic archaea that serves as MGR2's central threat, of course.
Yeah we can't know for sure, either way I'm glad they left it up in the air since it leaves something to think about when replaying the games.
It's no secret I have a childish sense of humor, but I seriously couldn't handle the pants-shitting stuff. With the PS3 graphics, seeing the deep black spot on his pants and the brown ring around them made me feel like I needed to wipe my own ass with a moist towelette.
But there's no wiping the ass of one's soul. Thanks for nothing, Kojima.
afternoon delight
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4 is so fucking awful. I'll never understand it's admirers.
All y'all bothered by this game's plot, but only thing bothering me is BB's squeaky clean asshole
I enjoy it because it's awful.
Kept you wiping, huh?
He bleaches for Ocelot.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
It's been a month and
This pain won't stop hurting
This pain won't stop hurting
That's exactly how I felt after playing MGS4. The bandits represent Kojima, and the player IS Shitting Salamander.
After the data mining, they found an additional member that represented the Male side of the BB core.:
Bobcat Goldthwait
Wow, doesn't feel like it.
EDIT:
I guess because people took quite a while finishing it.
afternoon delight
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Your tolerance is...... Something.
PedroPanache
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Thermal goggles don't just magically appear in hollow logs after all.
Red Blaster
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the height of post-mgs4 fan distress was how some at mgs.org surmised that ryan payton was a secret xbox fanboy who intentionally sabotaged the series
Eh, it's a bit like when, in Uncharted, mercenaries and pirates keep shooting Drake even as everything is exploding and collapsing.
At some point you'd think their loyalty for the random bad guy who's paying them would run out, but nope, even while the plane is falling in flames, they're dead set on killing Drake.
The Boss herself had to have know; Eva is the one who relates the story of Ocelot's parents to Snake, and if Eva heard the story, The Boss prolly heard the story too. Hell, it is not farfetched to think The Boss told it to Eva.
And The Boss could not have been so stupid to hear that story and not realize the legendary hero is her.
And The Boss could not have been so stupid to hear that story and not realize the legendary hero is her.
akidnamededdy
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Don't forget the part where she apparently recorded a video before she died that somehow predicted everything that would happen and explain it to everybody.
Oh and how she apparently told Big Boss what was up too, even though he was in a coma until well after she had died.
plutoknight
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I find it remarkable MGS4 won GOTY here twice.
I would vote for MGSV 1,000 times before I'd vote for MGS4 once.
On the strength of superior gameplay, and a story that, while divisive, at least wasn't intrusive.
MGS4 felt so incredibly fragmented to me. I remember a great opening in the Middle East, followed by what felt like 15 minutes of tedium as Drebin explained guns and ID tags. Then sneaking down some streets, and another 15 minutes of tedium with Naomi. Then a cool scene where you escape the FROGS, and then... Jeez, I can't even remember. I just remember having my patience tested more and more with each cutscene, and with each time Johnny shit his pants.
I remember South America being good, except for the super-long Rose codec after the village at the start.
Europe was terrible. Mainly because I had to look at Big Mama's tits and the awkward sneaking in the piss-filtered noir environment. The boss fight was cool, though, and the on-rails motorcycle bit was OK. Overstayed its welcome. The worst part, however, was the scene on the river. It went on for like a half-hour, most of which was different shots of soldiers getting shot up. People were over watching me play that scene. It was... Not fun.
The return to Shadow Moses Island was cool. A bit empty, though. Robots everywhere, but since I was playing non-lethally, it was a cool opportunity to use my firearms. The gekko in the hall was great. The splitscreen fight was... OK. Kind of hard to take in both screens at once. The Metal Gear fight was fun. The ending with Ocelot running away like a goofball was fun. Mount Snakemore was fun. Otacon having a Skype breakdown over Naomi? ...no, not fun.
And then there was Arsenal Gear. An incredible sneaking section, followed by a lame boss battle, followed by a lamer boss battle that paid homage to the entire series by reminding us of clunky controls. Microwave scene was touching in terms of seeing how much Old Snake suffered. All of the plot developments on the other screen fell flat, though. Rays diving off ships, Meryl and Shitpants rolling around, Mei Ling with her nice butt cowering on the battleship.
Then a billion hours of cutscenes saying the same thing in many different ways, complete with PowerPoint presentations.
Then a genuinely excellent moment when BB says "Maybe the world would be better without snakes."
And that was that.
The long installs for each act probably didn't help, but man, the game's cutscene-to-gameplay ratio was so out of whack. You should be able to walk a short distance and reliably expect that a five-minute codec call won't occur.
I would vote for MGSV 1,000 times before I'd vote for MGS4 once.
On the strength of superior gameplay, and a story that, while divisive, at least wasn't intrusive.
MGS4 felt so incredibly fragmented to me. I remember a great opening in the Middle East, followed by what felt like 15 minutes of tedium as Drebin explained guns and ID tags. Then sneaking down some streets, and another 15 minutes of tedium with Naomi. Then a cool scene where you escape the FROGS, and then... Jeez, I can't even remember. I just remember having my patience tested more and more with each cutscene, and with each time Johnny shit his pants.
I remember South America being good, except for the super-long Rose codec after the village at the start.
Europe was terrible. Mainly because I had to look at Big Mama's tits and the awkward sneaking in the piss-filtered noir environment. The boss fight was cool, though, and the on-rails motorcycle bit was OK. Overstayed its welcome. The worst part, however, was the scene on the river. It went on for like a half-hour, most of which was different shots of soldiers getting shot up. People were over watching me play that scene. It was... Not fun.
The return to Shadow Moses Island was cool. A bit empty, though. Robots everywhere, but since I was playing non-lethally, it was a cool opportunity to use my firearms. The gekko in the hall was great. The splitscreen fight was... OK. Kind of hard to take in both screens at once. The Metal Gear fight was fun. The ending with Ocelot running away like a goofball was fun. Mount Snakemore was fun. Otacon having a Skype breakdown over Naomi? ...no, not fun.
And then there was Arsenal Gear. An incredible sneaking section, followed by a lame boss battle, followed by a lamer boss battle that paid homage to the entire series by reminding us of clunky controls. Microwave scene was touching in terms of seeing how much Old Snake suffered. All of the plot developments on the other screen fell flat, though. Rays diving off ships, Meryl and Shitpants rolling around, Mei Ling with her nice butt cowering on the battleship.
Then a billion hours of cutscenes saying the same thing in many different ways, complete with PowerPoint presentations.
Then a genuinely excellent moment when BB says "Maybe the world would be better without snakes."
And that was that.
The long installs for each act probably didn't help, but man, the game's cutscene-to-gameplay ratio was so out of whack. You should be able to walk a short distance and reliably expect that a five-minute codec call won't occur.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
If you went into MGS4 expecting buckets of fanservice and serviceable albeit almost nonexistent gameplay then you had a good time.
It's the people who came off the high of MGS3 and then had to eat a trough of shit with MGS4 that really cant let that game slide.
Over the years, with enough distance from it, the disappointment of MGS4 has transitioned into an appreciation for it. But as the followup to MGS3, man, that was a bummer.
It's the people who came off the high of MGS3 and then had to eat a trough of shit with MGS4 that really cant let that game slide.
Over the years, with enough distance from it, the disappointment of MGS4 has transitioned into an appreciation for it. But as the followup to MGS3, man, that was a bummer.
Exactly how I feel about 2.
I loved 4. MGS as a series is pulp fiction trash. When it goes full absurd comedy it is masterpiece stuff, when it tries to be serious it's a boring wreck. MGS 4 embraced the silliness while MGS V ended up on the wrong side of that line again, unfortunately.
I vastly prefer MGSV to MGS4, but I can actually see where you're coming from if that's what you want out of the series.
And don't get me wrong: For all my criticisms, I still find MGS4 endearing. In part because of its glaring imperfections.
ShockingAlberto
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I don't think MGS4 embraced the silliness.
I think it accidentally crashed into it.
I think it accidentally crashed into it.
Foxtastical
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I dunno about you, but I'm like fucking blown away by the people that have like 200 hours in and have beaten the game already. I don't even understand how you can have that much time. Granted, I'm guessing most of those people are 14-18 or something.
I'm at mission 36 or something with a 51% completion, and I totally feel like I've been playing a shit ton. My perception is totally off on what it means to play a lot nowadays.
Yeah, I mean I've read all your posts and completely respect your opinions but it's clear that you and I are on other planets regarding both what we think MGS is and should be as well as how we read and analyse a narrative.
I think you see that exact same division writ large among MGS players as a whole, which is why certain games are so divisive.
MGS 4 will go down as a treasured experience for me. MGS V will be written off as a disappointment. A good game, but a disappointment. It is what it is. I'd rather be you, and have loved the game, believe me.
I played with my brother watching alongside me and we both called the Meryl and Johnny shootout. We were high-fiving, cheering and rolling around laughing as it happened. It's one of the best moments in MGS to me. Just complete ludicrous garbage played straight, for effect. I can't see how a scene like that could be unintentional. Otherwise Kojima keeps stumbling into accidental brilliance time and after time after time.
Thus ends my counter argument.
Or, you know, this. 'Not intentional' - lmao
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