Septimus Prime
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But at least you could have Ryu fight a dinosaur and a lion man.
Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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Scrub Mcgrubb
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Ingrid's sprite was new in that game right? although her audio could have been recycled from that cancelled all-stars game she was designed for
The depth of a fighting game should come from knowing when to do moves, not having to learn how to do them. Move complexity has been an unnecessarily part of fighting games for too long, like some sort of initiation right to see who is "worthy" of being allowed to play them.
Man, not this again. Charge characters aren't even hard to use, they just emphasize forethought over reaction time.
That kinda sounds like an endorsement for charge moves then, honestly. The regular sonic boom/flash kick commands are easy to do; but because of the charge limitation, one must be judicious when to commit to a special as opposed to actions that are the polar opposite (walking/jumping forward, etc).
Scrub Mcgrubb
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Probably the 8th... first day of the show- media only day.
It sounds like you disagree but some points are actually in favor . Its weird lol
Also 'move complexity' is kind of required for balance purposes
papertoonz
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yeah Ingrid sprite is the only new sprite in that game
it got later use in alpha 3 MAX
What the hell are you talking about? In what world does move complexity have to do with move input variety? Some people like charge characters, some like command.
Teknopathetic
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This new wave of people considering charge moves complex and/or difficult is baffling me.
PadWarrior
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Because all you do is hold back and then press forward.
Also it's people asking for something that a lot of people like to be changed because it doesn't suit them, even though there are plenty of other characters that do.
I understand the sentiment but holding one direction for half a second and then moving in another isn't that complex
fuck them zig zagging back and forth Ultras tho
= MJ no chargez (no spaces)
fuck them zig zagging back and forth Ultras tho
PadWarrior
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Yes but not everyone understands how to play them. Wouldn't it be better off to explain and help them then be condescending?
Not everyone understands how to play command characters. Not everyone knows how to play grapplers. Not everyone can piano inputs (electricity, lightning legs etc).
If someone genuinely wants to learn how to play those characters they should spend some time on it and ask when they've encountered issues. To write _____ type characters off as being obtuse because one's not good with them and push for homogenized inputs is equally bad to just condescending.
wouldn't it be better to put in a tiny bit of effort into learning the damn game and getting the hang of things instead of crying for change and attempting to launch into a laughable debate about the game design
no one actually asked for help or anything so im not sure what you're talking about padguy
no one actually asked for help or anything so im not sure what you're talking about padguy
Teknopathetic
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"Yes but not everyone understands how to play them. Wouldn't it be better off to explain and help them then be condescending?"
Who is this hypothetical person that doesn't understand how to play them? Shidoshi's played fighting games for a long time, she knows how to do charge moves.
Who is this hypothetical person that doesn't understand how to play them? Shidoshi's played fighting games for a long time, she knows how to do charge moves.
ãInaba Residentã
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Instead of asking for the moves to be changed, a person should probably try to put in at least a little bit of effort in getting better.
Charge moves aren't hard.
Charge moves aren't hard.
Shadoken
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The only issue for charge characters are with casual mashers. You can mash out command moves and piano moves.
But if you are actually playing the game and not doing random shit , theres nothing hard about charge characters. In fact I find them a lot easier than Command moves ( no weird input shortcuts to fuk you over) and piano moves.
But if you are actually playing the game and not doing random shit , theres nothing hard about charge characters. In fact I find them a lot easier than Command moves ( no weird input shortcuts to fuk you over) and piano moves.
I just saw how many new pages we got since that Ono tease, and I immediately assumed Zangief was announced while I was gone. I mean, regardless of whether or not we think Gief is overdone, he is one of the most popular characters in the series, and that really does look like his belt/gauntlet. I don't think Ono's against blatantly teasing him to drum up some hype.
I mean, I'm personally rooting for Alex over Gief, but I can see them bumping Alex to early DLC, and making Zangief a launch character, especially considering that a satellite character of his is on the launch roster. It'd kill my dream of Alex being revealed at NYCC alongside a Jazzy NYC remix, but I'm expecting Zangief this weekend.
EDIT: And for the record, I don't usually find charge moves difficult (I did have trouble with Parasoul in Skullgirls, though), but outside of Guile, they're not my cup of tea.
I mean, I'm personally rooting for Alex over Gief, but I can see them bumping Alex to early DLC, and making Zangief a launch character, especially considering that a satellite character of his is on the launch roster. It'd kill my dream of Alex being revealed at NYCC alongside a Jazzy NYC remix, but I'm expecting Zangief this weekend.
EDIT: And for the record, I don't usually find charge moves difficult (I did have trouble with Parasoul in Skullgirls, though), but outside of Guile, they're not my cup of tea.
PadWarrior
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I'm out. Didn't know you guys would get so aggressive sheesh enjoy the game. Done with this thread
that seems like one root cause of that, yeah. it's not 'on demand' or whatever. like you have to actually sit back for a second and cool it before activating the move.
anyways, for anyone intimidated by/avoidant of charge, characters, it quickly becomes second nature to hold charge and stuff. trust me, I started out learning fighting games with SFIV using Vega and Guile. it wasn't that bad, I just committed myself. trying to pick up motion characters seriously later on was rough, but I eventually got the hang of that, too. still scrubby at pianoing and SPDs, but that's because I didn't want to play any of those characters.
your attitude has always stood out as pretty weak/defeatist to me, so whatever. all you do is self-deprecate about your skill. put in some work, bro. you can do it. people get tight about this shit because the root of it is disappointment. likewise, any condescension is an answer to the entitlement/laziness that people typically present. just fucking play. you don't need an advanced guide or handholding to figure out sonic booms and flash kicks. it's okay to suck ass as long you keep at it.
anyways, for anyone intimidated by/avoidant of charge, characters, it quickly becomes second nature to hold charge and stuff. trust me, I started out learning fighting games with SFIV using Vega and Guile. it wasn't that bad, I just committed myself. trying to pick up motion characters seriously later on was rough, but I eventually got the hang of that, too. still scrubby at pianoing and SPDs, but that's because I didn't want to play any of those characters.
your attitude has always stood out as pretty weak/defeatist to me, so whatever. all you do is self-deprecate about your skill. put in some work, bro. you can do it. people get tight about this shit because the root of it is disappointment. likewise, any condescension is an answer to the entitlement/laziness that people typically present. just fucking play. you don't need an advanced guide or handholding to figure out sonic booms and flash kicks. it's okay to suck ass as long you keep at it.
Though there is the glaring fact that Ono has never teased a character who was already in SFIV. On top of that, Zangief is just too obvious for the kind of hint that Ono made. Plus the spacing between the spherical bumps is just too far to be Zangief's belt. A good chunk of this thread had the same logic concerning Cody & Dudley, and look how that turned out.
I keep seeing people say this but I think the charge times and beginners not knowing you can do down back would make it harder.
edit. Not that I find them hard, just I can see why some might not like them.
Everyone's been pretty tame in response to your question
Lol, the bumps are too far apart.
so many posts over tease pics, dude. these next reveals, and especially the non-new character ones, are going to be fucking crazy lol. I'm looking forward to it. gonna be quite a fix of hype reading this thread while playing Alex at NYCC (BELIEVE).
You're making an assumption that Ono has to play by the assumed rules that you noticed from past events.
There are no rules that Ono and Capcom have to abide by. If Capcom wanted to put Barack Obama in the game and call him Mike the Boxer to do double copy infringement, they could if they wanted to.
Conversely, I'd prefer to play charge inputs with any character over command.
ãInaba Residentã
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Then use a character with regular motions if you prefer regular motions.
About the teaser, I actually wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Zangief. So obvious that you doubt it but that's why. He's done it 3 times now. Okizeme.
Ono's no Sakurai, there's a clear pattern going on here.
direct_quote
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I mostly play motion characters because my execution sucks. Thank god for the 2-frame buffer, no more losing matches because of dropping combos for me
who am i kidding I'll still drop combos
when SFIV dropped....Chun Li was the only character I was even competent with. I struggled hard with charging but it did get me to be a lot more patient instead of yolo shoryus w/ Ken.
Now I'll play a motion character before a charge but there definitely should be some charge characters in for those who prefer the opposite.
Now I'll play a motion character before a charge but there definitely should be some charge characters in for those who prefer the opposite.
-Pyromaniac-
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I prefer the way the character I'm good with plays.
I don't get the hate either. I think one reason I saw from people is that he doesn't fit the story, despite them not knowing the story.
Not a very interesting character in 4, was an underplayed casually in 2, is infamous in a competitive environment in ST.
People don't like narcissistic pretty boys that dress in flamenco outfits, so he has that going for him.
and his face is ugly
Stone Ocean
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A combination of the timing of his reveal, SF2 vet when people were expecting other characters to fill out the one slot in the roster that was a complete mystery plus SF4 Claw fatigue since he's hella annoying in that.
Amen to that. Make her pure fan service please.
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