Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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PBY said:
Stop with the "criminals" thing.

"Criminals" don't shoot up schools randomly - they target people/things for gain. People who have easy access to guns who have serious mental issues cause this. And you know what? If we cut off their gun access, we'd solve a whole lot of this.
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This seems to fly over lots of people's heads. Criminals do not shoot up schools or churches. Gang members do not shoot up schools or churches. Hitmen, mob guys, drug runners etc... do not shoot up schools or churches. Criminals aren't the problem, it's people with crazy mental healthy issues that go unaddressed that can simply walk into a store and buy a weapon that are the ones we should be concerned about.
 
Kama_1082 said:
And how do you suggest they do that oh wise one?
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Criminalize gun ownership, give incentives for the public to legally turn in owned guns for some kind of reward, have the government seize guns upon death from the estate, there are multiple ways to achieve the goal. I'm not talking about going door to door and confiscating guns, but a gradual and civil reduction of the number of guns in circulation.

It wouldn't happen overnight, but it would eventually happen.

Or we could just keep letting people die.
 
Super_Cobra said:
I watched a YouTube video about posts like these on 4chan. Apparently their is a lot of psychopaths on 4chan and people don't seem to give a shit.

Rip to all those people. Sad day.
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It's the same for any anonymous board, really. 2ch kinda goes through the same issues but no one can really tell what is real or what is attention seeking until it's too late.
 
Ashok said:
Yeah, because criminals buying illegal firearms off a black market are just going to go waving them around outside waiting for someone to safely confiscate them. Ok.
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Handgun on the black market in America: $100
Handgun on the black market in Australia after gun control: Over $15,500US

I'm sure all those petty thugs and criminals will be about to afford lots of guns at that price.
 
The campus is pretty much an open park with some buildings on it, metal detectors wouldn't do you a whole lot of good, it's that way with most college campuses.
 
Tempy said:
The paranoia of gun defenders is astounding.
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The only thing worse is the unwillingness to allow any changes to happen, or even a discussion on what changes need to happen. People get killed by these things every day, but god forbid it becomes a little less convenient for a person to obtain a weapon.
 
Switch Back 9 said:
This seems to fly over lots of people's heads. Criminals do not shoot up schools or churches. Gang members do not shoot up schools or churches. Hitmen, mob guys, drug runners etc... do not shoot up schools or churches. Criminals aren't the problem, it's people with crazy mental healthy issues that go unaddressed that can simply walk into a store and buy a weapon that are the ones we should be concerned about.
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You needs to make seeking mental health much easier and guns much harder to obtain. People pick the easy option and guns are that by a mile.
 
PBY said:
You keep talking about acknowledging peoples rights.

I dont think gun ownership is or should be a right.I don't think we can take guns away from people, but we can certainly ban them going forward.

Also - and I feel this strongly - if you don't support strong action toward gun control, and/or you yourself own guns - you're part of this problem.
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Thank fucking god you're not in charge of any laws.
 
A few years ago, had you asked me, my opinion would have been that more stringent oversight, background checks, mental health evaluations, and loophole closures were sufficient enough goals.

Today, with the frequency of these shootings, that doesn't even come close. Guns themselves are the problem and always will be.
 
Kama_1082 said:
And how do you suggest they do that oh wise one?
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Change the laws. Make purchasing a gun MORE difficult than getting a driver's license. Make mandatory safety courses a legal requirement. Make gun safes a legal requirement. Make background checks more effective buy properly linking databases. Eliminate the gun show loophole.

Make legal guns more difficult to come by and make the consequences of not securing those guns much more meaningful.

Fix the second amendment to use clean, unambiguous and logical language.

Enforce technology - trigger locks, digital identification etc etc.


What we're doing now, is nothing, or in some cases, making things worse.

Eliminate stand your ground and other ludicrous red-meat baiting laws etc.

I'm an avid hobby, sport and target shooting enthusiast. I want gun ownership to be legal, rational and strictly controlled.
 
TheLostBigBoss said:
the issue is your ideas are simply not possible with the political climate, the constitution or public opinion.

we can all have ideas, but suggesting ideas that are impossible is just silly when they are clearly not going to get anything done.
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they aren't my ideas. Piggus responded to someone by saying the ideas weren't good, so I asked for his alternatives to which he responded.
 
Htown said:
that would require an impressive misunderstanding of both the English language and American federal law, which explicitly defines the "militia" to include at least all able-bodied male citizens between 17 and 45 years old
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The Reserve Militia (male citizens between 17 and 45) established with the Militia Act of 1903 can be "disbanded" by the Supreme Court if it chooses to overturn that portion of the Act.

There is a legal way to curtail gun rights that should happen.

Of course any confiscation of guns should be gradual and with incentives for cooperation. Registered hunters should also be allowed to own bolt-action rifles that are kept in a local armory when it's not hunting season. Muzzle loading weapons don't need any additional restrictions.
 
Piggus said:
I've outlined my proposals, and they're typically things that could actually be passed, unlike the "ban all guns" pipedream.
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Would background checks be included in your proposals? That's a far cry from banning all guns and still can't get passed.
 
Umpqua and all other non-Private colleges ended the concealed carry thing a couple years back.

A law briefly allowed it IIRC.

You can search for "gun site:umpqua.edu" and see the google cache of their safety policy; it says no weapons allowed.
 
marrec said:
Criminalize gun ownership, give incentives for the public to legally turn in owned guns for some kind of reward, have the government seize guns upon death from the estate, there are multiple ways to achieve the goal. I'm not talking about going door to door and confiscating guns, but a gradual and civil reduction of the number of guns in circulation.

It wouldn't happen overnight, but it would eventually happen.

Or we could just keep letting people die.
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Sounds like a person who has no idea how laws are made in the United States. Keep living that pipe dream.
 
PBY said:
You keep talking about acknowledging peoples rights.

I dont think gun ownership is or should be a right.
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Unfortunately, it legally is.

Any solution has to work within that framework.
 
Switch Back 9 said:
This seems to fly over lots of people's heads. Criminals do not shoot up schools or churches. Gang members do not shoot up schools or churches. Hitmen, mob guys, drug runners etc... do not shoot up schools or churches. Criminals aren't the problem, it's people with crazy mental healthy issues that go unaddressed that can simply walk into a store and buy a weapon that are the ones we should be concerned about.
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We have a mental health stigma in this country. We still treat people with mental health issues as criminals and lock them up with actual criminals. To say that we need mental health care reform would be a gross understatement.
 
SuperBanana said:
Handgun on the black market in America: $100
Handgun on the black market in Australia after gun control: Over $15,500US

I'm sure all those petty thugs and criminals will be about to afford lots of guns at that price.
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Well the impending news that we're taking away all guns every would probably boost gun sales for people to stockpile them like the gun nuts do now, and then boost the illegal firearms market like it did with the illegal alcohol market and does with drugs.
 
Just visited 4chan for the first time trying to find the source of that image previously posted. What a disgusting fucking site. Someone needs to shut that shit down.
 
Tempy said:
The paranoia of gun defenders is astounding.
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I think the people that want to own guns "because their fun" is worse, but that's just my opinion. I'm a gun owner and I own a gun because it makes me feel safer living alone. Though if guns were banned, I'd have no problem letting it go.
 
marrec said:
Yes, because your right to own a gun is worth more than all the potential future victims who die due to America's inability to control it's gun problem.
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I like my guns and I'm a law abiding citizen. Why would I want to give up my right to own a firearm that's afforded to me by the 2nd amendment?
 
There isnt any correlation between homicide rates and per person gun ownership, so the begging for the removal of guns isnt going to stop homicides if that is what some of you genuinely care about.
 
I've said this before, we need to repeal the second amendment. It's the most backwards part of the constitution and as about as relevant as slavery to modern society.
 
PBY said:
You keep talking about acknowledging peoples rights.

I dont think gun ownership is or should be a right. I don't think we can take guns away from people, but we can certainly ban them going forward.

Also - and I feel this strongly - if you don't support strong action toward gun control, and/or you yourself own guns - you're part of this problem.
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Uhh, that's nice. But it is according to law, so it really doesn't matter if you think it's a right or not. How do you think we can ban guns going forward? In what reality does that happen in a place where we can't even get a simple background check bill passed? The vast majority of people in the US don't want a full gun ban. And that trend is not moving in your favor.

And yup, guess I'm part of the problem.

Veritigo_X said:
Would background checks be included in your proposals? That's a far cry from banning all guns and still can't get passed.
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Of course, as well as a mandatory safety class and psychological evaluation. But I realize that would be difficult to implement. But it's still much more reasonable than the goofy blanket ban proposals.
 
PBY said:
You keep talking about acknowledging peoples rights.

I dont think gun ownership is or should be a right. I don't think we can take guns away from people, but we can certainly ban them going forward.

Also - and I feel this strongly - if you don't support strong action toward gun control, and/or you yourself own guns - you're part of this problem.
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eh

that creates a sketchy picture for sure--easier to just take them all to be honest
 
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So fucking sick of this shit.
 
OldAsUrSock said:
There isnt any correlation between homicide rates and per person gun ownership, so the begging for the removal of guns isnt going to stop homicides if that is what some of you genuinely care about.
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It wont stop them but it would certainly help.

As someone who owns a firearm (shit, I'm even about to go hunting with it next week) I'm fully in support of much tighter firearm laws. It's way too easy to acquire a gun in this country.
 
Kama_1082 said:
I like my guns and I'm a law abiding citizen. Why would I want to give up my right to own a firearm that's afforded to me by the 2nd amendment?
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Jesus. This is so gross in light of what happened.

This type of stance contributes to these murders. You do realize the shooter was a law abiding citizen, up until the second he/she wasn't?
 
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