Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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Just watched that presser with obama with my wife. Really felt for the guy, he looks like he was about to fall apart.

Its early morning over here in Australia on a beautiful day and its a public holiday. Gave her a hug. Lifes too short people, enjoy it.
 
WayneMorse said:
A post on 4chan = material support?

There's no way any charges against the posters could hold up if all they did was post "do it."
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you sure? there was that girl who egged her friend on the commit suicide and she might be facing some kind of charges. i dont know what happened with that but im sure it can happen to someone saying "do it" or even saying how it should be done
 
Zaph said:
wow the BBC has more respect for your head of state than your media does.
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Welcome to America. They will spend twenty minutes giving a platform to partisans interpreting the speech after they cut off the speech that would allow individuals to make up their own mind of how to interpret the speech. More advertising dollars in the confrontation then in presenting the news unfiltered.
 
Emarv said:
No one's saying it's all okay now. We just are happy the leader of the nation is voicing the same frustration many of us feel.
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I don't mean to be harsh but it's just words. Like it means nothing without action, which probably won't happen given the American political climate.
 
People on my Facebook talking about how children are being "wussified" and the lack of parental guidance in America in the context of this shooting. I think I'm going to go crazy watching all these people acting so misguided.
 
Mr. Macintosh!! said:
It's nice that he's being passionate about gun control, but I wish he could have done this sooner.
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He did. He used a lot of political capital trying to do something after Sandy Hook but it didn't work. He understands that there's nothing he alone can do now. He has to speak as passionately as he can to try and pressure those who actually can.
 
Sanjuro said:
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Yeah it's true but it's an idiotic argument to make.

"To stop murders we should make murdering people illegal oh wait it already is , these murders obey so many laws". No shit, but it shouldn't mean you make murder not illegal. the same can be said about theft and about any other crime. No shit the ones that do it will break the rules to do it, it shouldn't mean things are just legal, my god what backward ass thinking
 
Drayco21 said:
A new guy just took over, so it's hard to say. Probably? 4Chan users have tipped off police and schools about troubling posts in the past and stopped things like this prematurely, so I could certainly see it.
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New guy is known to sell private information to companies and hand over user data to the Japanese government. If they ask, he'll probably give it to them.
 
Marauder Shields said:
I don't mean to be harsh but it's just words. Like it means nothing without action, which probably happen given the American political climate.
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Of course it's just words which was the whole point of the speech. Nothing ever changes thanks to the assholes who continue to fight even minor reform

It honestly doesn't matter what he says though. Nothing will change and this country has blood on its hands for it
 
Marauder Shields said:
I don't mean to be harsh but it's just words. Like it means nothing without action, which probably happen given the American political climate.
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The bully pulpit is the only tool in his warchest right now. He can't make an executive order to implement a gun buyback program for instance. Or order an implementation of stronger barriers to owning a gun.

This is a solution that can only come legislatively.
 
My condolences to Americans. This ridiculous cycle has to end.I hope Obama's speech rattles the senses of the American people to a sensible answer.
 
4chan needs to end. Its nothing more then an example of the worst of the internet. All it does is show why the anonymous nature of the internet is problematic
 
Apathy said:
Yeah it's true but it's an idiotic argument to make.

"To stop murders we should make murdering people illegal oh wait it already is , these murders obey so many laws". No shit, but it shouldn't mean you make murder not illegal. the same can be said about theft and about any other crime. No shit the ones that do it will break the rules to do it, it shouldn't mean things are just legal, my god what backward ass thinking
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We have to vote out these Republicans. It's the only way anything even begins to happen.
 
He's so spot on about people needing to vote as if this was a major issue.

Heck, people need to vote. I've said this so many times but it's just crazy you can't even get 50% turnout to your mid term elections. Nothing will ever change if that continues.
 
Marauder Shields said:
I don't mean to be harsh but it's just words. Like it means nothing without action, which probably happen given the American political climate.
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Those words are all he can do at this point. He's trying to use those words to influence action because that's all he has left at this point. You can be defeatist for sure, but Obama is clearly trying to use his greatest skill politically, his rhetoric.
 
He made no mention of the Chicago recent weekend shootings. As far as I'm concerned those are mass shootings too. Just spread over a weekend.

You could tell he is shaken and fucking pissed.
 
Marauder Shields said:
Damn yall are easily appeased. Obama says some strong words and everything is OK :/
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It doesn't make everything OK and nobody suggested it does.

But the norm for so long is for politicians to come out, make a few milquetoast "we pray for those injured and their families and we are a strong nation people are good not time for politics" - it's refreshing to hear the president express the same anger and frustration that many of us have been feeling every time one of these shootings occur. It's a start.
 
How long until some idiot claims that if everyone at the school was armed this wouldn't' have happend?

Or maybe every campus needs armed guards.
 
besada said:
All that goes for responsible gun owners, too. If you're letting the NRA speak for you, you're part of the problem. I'm pretty sure, in your case, from previous discussions, that isn't the case, but I think it's reasonable to point out that this isn't only a problem for gun control advocates, it's a problem for gun enthusiasts. Every time something like this happens, it negatively effects our perception of gun owners. A way to remedy that is to either shit can the NRA or force them to support the sensible gun control laws most of their constituents do.
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I can't disagree with a word you've said. I live with strict gun control in NY and it doesn't infringe on my right to own a gun and defend my family. Sure there are specific pieces of legislation on a granular level that I definitely take issue with but overall I'd rather it take 10 months for me to get a handgun.

At the end of the day you're right on that the biggest threat to gun owners rights isn't a dictator taking guns or whatever it's public perception when mass shootings take place.

In regards to the NRA they've supported gun control before... Most of us that frequent these mass shooting threads definitely know that. But at the end of the day they pushing themselves into a deep dark pit of irrelevancy. Because if they don't ever concede this even a little bit they'll be like the boy that cried wolf and eventually no one will ever really head their suggestions.

The problem is the rank and file of the hardest of the hardcore gun rights supporters always view this talk as a Trojan Horse to remove the second amendment.

I love the second amendment but in modern ages regulations are simply required. Thorough regulations. There's the pie in the sky type that wants all gun confiscated and banned and those that want their guns to have guns incase their guns get assaulted so their guns can defend themselves. In the end meeting in the middle sensibly is the only path to take.
 
capitalCORN said:
My condolences to Americans. This ridiculous cycle has to end.I hope Obama's speech rattles the senses of the American people to a sensible answer.
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It won't. Unfortunately this is just the cycle of things. This stuff happens. There is a momentary spike in interest in the topic of gun control and then the crazies embedded in positions of power drown it out and people go back to complacency after a short while.
 
These shootings are heartbreaking, and the worst part is that there is no permanent or long-term solution. I mean, even if gun control laws manage to prevent some of them, give it 10 years and 3D printers will be making automatic weapons at ease.
Chances are these attacks will be easier to pull off and even deadlier.
 
Marauder Shields said:
I don't mean to be harsh
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Okay, where are you seeing any appeasememnt going on, though. I'm seeing relief at the fact our President isn't holding back to the extent he very easily could have, but to go from that to the assumption everyone up in here is now going to be satisfied by that response and call it a day seems pretty misguided. I don't understand how you're seeing that here.
 
CNN reporting the shooter had 3 handguns and 1 long gun. He isnt 21 so he can't legally purchase handguns. Will be interesting to see where he got them from. Wonder if it is a Columbine case where they got them at gun shows?
 
Jonm1010 said:
It won't. Unfortunately this is just the cycle of things. This stuff happens. There is a momentary spike in interest in the topic of gun control and then the crazies embedded in positions of power drown it out and people go back to complacency after a short while.
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That's kinda my point. A couple of weeks from now everyone will have moved on and forgotten this ever happened. Which is why I don't put much stock in nice words.
 
3N16MA said:
How long until some idiot claims that if everyone at the school was armed this wouldn't' have happend?

Or maybe every campus needs armed guards.
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Um.

SwolBro said:
crazy that those military analyst went on CNN and talked about having more guns and less gun free zones......

it's all about money. money money money money. when will someone hack into these gun manufacturers emails and expose how much they pay these people to talk like this?
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Sounds like they already have.
 
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