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NFL 2015 Week 4 |OT| - A Fraud Loses His Roar

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captive said:
you know damn well this is not how pundits use the term parity. The most common of which is every year there is X amount of new teams to the playoffs this year. Never mind that the same Brady, Manning, Rodgers, elite qbs lead teams make it every year.
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First off I wasn't remarking on whatever pundits are talking about.

Of course there will be a few teams that sustain success over a period of 10 or so years thanks to great QB play. Not much you can do about that. However, outside of that the NFL is set up to encourage parity which has been pretty effective, in my opinion.
 
eznark said:
BJ Raji with the Madden warp tackle and the Dwight Freeney:

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Two best plays of Sunday
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Those are the two best plays? Man what a shit season this is.
 
eznark said:
Giants have roughly the same point differential as the Steelers, and they haven't had the luxury of playing the 49ers at home.

Pittsburgh Steelers - shit
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The Steeler don't have their starting qb.

Of course they are shit.

The hope is to tread water for the next 3 weeks and hopefully have Ben come back 100%. A lot to hope for...

Changing gears. Suh must be really happy that all the Dolphins talk is about firing Philbin and no one is noticing how he is a nothing on the field despite getting back $120 million contract.
 
Giants are closer to 4-0 than 2-2 in my eyes. Just threw away 2 games, fuck they were passing late against the Bills too.
 
LJ11 said:
I'm not sure I understand? It's not like they haven't invested on D, they just haven't hit on picks, you know kind of like how the Steelers are now built for a Bruce Arians aerial attack but are a far cry from the Cowher days where the D led the way.
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Saints should have busted that team down years ago. Instead they paid Brees then tried to reload with FA which went absolutely nowhere. Now Brees is at the end of the line and the team is up shit's creek and has to jettison players just to make weight.

People love to complain about cap mismanagement, but the Saints are the only example I can think of that actually negatively affects the on field product.
 
Oh boy Saints at Eagles this week. The Eagles haunted offense led by Sam Bradford and Demarco Murray taking on Drew Brees and company. The irresistible force meets the immovable object. Get HYPE!
 
LJ11 said:
Giants are closer to 4-0 than 2-2 in my eyes. Just threw away 2 games, fuck they were passing late against the Bills too.
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And they still have 4 NFC East games, 49ers, Saints and Dolphins.

They can easily win 10 - 11 games.

Packers are not the type of team to shut off the offense even when the game is won.
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lolwat That's actually what will be written on McCarthy's tombstone
 
Who are the people who actually give away their money to Draft Kings and the other pay for play fantasy football sites?

I would like to assemble a list of the morons on GAF and prepare a special kind of pyramid scheme that is designed to make some of us very right in a short period time.
 
wienke said:
Getting gas and of course there's a fan duel commercial on the gas station pump.
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Its gonna be weird in a year or two when that shit gets taxed by the govt or shutdown completely and it just disappears forever
bionic77 said:
Who are the people who actually give away their money to Draft Kings and the other pay for play fantasy football sites?

I would like to assemble a list of the morons on GAF and prepare a special kind of pyramid scheme that is designed to make some of us very right in a short period time.
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I dont pay for football just use it for 1v1 with buddies, but i did baseball this year. Put $15 in and walked away with a few hundred the week before football started. Football is too unpredictable to waste money on it like a slot machine
 
eznark said:
lolwat That's actually what will be written on McCarthy's tombstone
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You know Fraudgers needs his stats.

He is such a bitch.

I think even you will agree that the reason he did not put up big numbers on Sunday was because he wanted to increase his PFF scores.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Saints should have busted that team down years ago. Instead they paid Brees then tried to reload with FA which went absolutely nowhere. Now Brees is at the end of the line and the team is up shit's creek and has to jettison players just to make weight.

People love to complain about cap mismanagement, but the Saints are the only example I can think of that actually negatively affects the on field product.
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It's mostly because they haven't hit on draft picks, so they have to go out and spend money. They were 11-5 a couple of years ago, hard to hit the reset button when you're still competitive, especially when it means going back to what the Saints used to be pre-Brees. If they had a QB waiting behind Brees, fuck it, hit reset, unfortunately they don't so they go with what they have, which is better than most.
 
eznark said:
BJ Raji is like Troy Polamalu in that he hasn't made a football play since 2009. Nice to see!
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Ol' Troy has a real knack for being invisible, and BJ was doing a pretty good impression the last few years even though he's changing that this year. Pretty sure that Polamalu is still out there in the backfield somewhere, even though for some reason I think the team has him listed as retired.
 
The_Darkest_Red said:
First off I wasn't remarking on whatever pundits are talking about.

Of course there will be a few teams that sustain success over a period of 10 or so years thanks to great QB play. Not much you can do about that. However, outside of that the NFL is set up to encourage parity which has been pretty effective, in my opinion.
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who cares about parity of shit teams? Sport is about winning and winning at the highest level is about winning the championship. The NFL has horrible parity. Also I couldn't care less about soccer or college football and their relative parity. We're talking about the NFL's parity, not the NFL's parity relative to other sports.
 
LJ11 said:
Giants are closer to 4-0 than 2-2 in my eyes. Just threw away 2 games, fuck they were passing late against the Bills too.
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There was the series where they had the ball inside the 10 with 4 minutes left in the game and a field goal would have made it a 3 possession game. Their next 3 plays were a run out of bounds to stop the clock, incomplete pass, interception.

It's hard to believe how stupid they can be late in games this year.
 
TheLegendary said:
Ol' Troy has a real knack for being invisible, and BJ was doing a pretty good impression the last few years even though he's changing that this year. Pretty sure that Polamalu is still out there in the backfield somewhere, even though for some reason I think the team has him listed as retired.
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Troy was basically that dude in the basement from Office Space for the last 5 years. He's still out there somewhere, complaining that someone moved his head n shoulders.
 
So weekly on the niners:

I called this shitstorm the second Tomsula was hired (but I agreed that Harbaugh had to go as the NFL had caught up to him bigtime). You bring in a defensive coach who didn't hire a quality staff, you had the worst offensive line in the NFL last year and it only got worse, and you took enormous personnel hits to the defense that was only mediocre last year. To its credit, the defense was good yesterday (unlike the past two weeks were they were awful).

Yes, Kaep is struggling but, even as a big supporter, I called that as well before the season started as there are no starting quality receivers on this team to go with a high school level offensive line. I also called that he would be blamed for everything because that is how people roll (its always the QB!). Now, he looks like he has totally lost his trust in the people surrounding him and himself. I'm not sure what they told him this week at practice but it looks like he was told to just essentially throw the ball away if there was ANY doubt or the receivers were covered (which these guys always are since they can't get open). That is some bullshit advice to give a QB like Kaep who is way more like Favre than Montana. Most those "misses" looked like throws where he was just taking zero risk of being intercepted.

I'm not even going to start on what I think that training with Kurt Warner has done to his throwing motion and mind-set. He just needs to forget that summer ever happened and just THROW THE DAMN BALL without overthinking every dropback.
 
captive said:
who cares about parity of shit teams? Sport is about winning and winning at the highest level is about winning the championship. The NFL has horrible parity. Also I couldn't care less about soccer or college football and their relative parity. We're talking about the NFL's parity, not the NFL's parity relative to other sports.
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Overall the NFL is a league with relatively high parity. Nothing you've said changes that.

Sorry about Mallett/Hoyer.
 
TheLegendary said:
Ol' Troy has a real knack for being invisible, and BJ was doing a pretty good impression the last few years even though he's changing that this year. Pretty sure that Polamalu is still out there in the backfield somewhere, even though for some reason I think the team has him listed as retired.
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You son of a...

Troy was a legit superstar in the league for most of his career. Dude made so many game changing plays in his prime.

To compare one of the greats to a man who is only known for being a fat fuck is going too far.
 
LJ11 said:
It's mostly because they haven't hit on draft picks, so they have to go out and spend money. They were 11-5 a couple of years ago, hard to hit the reset button when you're still competitive, especially when it means going back to what the Saints used to be pre-Brees. If they had a QB waiting behind Brees, fuck it, hit reset, unfortunately they don't so they go with what they have, which is better than most.
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At what point does insisting you're a competitor become bad management though? Brees became Peyton Manning jr. grinding teams for points in the regular season then faltering in the playoffs. Saints Championship season came when they had an opportunistic defense to go along with Brees slinging.

Pats and Brady were patient and reloaded. Steelers are at the tail end of a reload. Shy of a miracle performance it seems Brees Saints career is finished - no way they'll be able to rebuild while he still has the ability to take them to the Super Bowl.
 
Saints 2015 draft class is pretty amazing imo. Anthony, Kikaha, P.J. Williams, and Tull. Can't knock any of these picks.

That doesn't even include their first pick in Peat.
 
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So weekly on the niners:

I called this shitstorm the second Tomsula was hired (but I agreed that Harbaugh had to go as the NFL had caught up to him bigtime). You bring in a defensive coach who didn't hire a quality staff, you had the worst offensive line in the NFL last year and it only got worse, and you took enormous personnel hits to the defense that was only mediocre last year. To its credit, the defense was good yesterday (unlike the past two weeks were they were awful).

Yes, Kaep is struggling but, even as a big supporter, I called that as well before the season started as there are no starting quality receivers on this team to go with a high school level offensive line. I also called that he would be blamed for everything because that is how people roll (its always the QB!). Now, he looks like he has totally lost his trust in the people surrounding him and himself. I'm not sure what they told him this week at practice but it looks like he was told to just essentially throw the ball away if there was ANY doubt or the receivers were covered (which these guys always are since they can't get open). That is some bullshit advice to give a QB like Kaep who is way more like Favre than Montana. Most those "misses" looked like throws where he was just taking zero risk of being intercepted.

I'm not even going to start on what I think that training with Kurt Warner has done to his throwing motion and mind-set. He just needs to forget that summer ever happened and just THROW THE DAMN BALL without overthinking every dropback.
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I think Harbaugh had value if only to guarantee that half the team didn't up and retire after he was ousted.
 
bionic77 said:
You son of a...

Troy was a legit superstar in the league for most of his career. Dude made so many game changing plays in his prime.

To compare one of the greats to a man who is only known for being a fat fuck is going too far.
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But can Polamalu do this?

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Ah, more Nick Collins feels :(
 
captive said:
Disagree. Case in point 3 QBs have won 8 of the last 15 championships.
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You're looking at 1 out of 32 teams (the SB winner). That's 3% of the league's teams. If you want to limit yourself to that sample size that's fine but it doesn't change the fact that overall the NFL has very high parity relative to many other leagues and sports.

Look at something like standard deviation of points scored for/against differential.
 
BigAT said:
There was the series where they had the ball inside the 10 with 4 minutes left in the game and a field goal would have made it a 3 possession game. Their next 3 plays were a run out of bounds to stop the clock, incomplete pass, interception.

It's hard to believe how stupid they can be late in games this year.
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Coughlin owned the interception (and really it was all Eli for a bad throw) during the teams victory speech in the locker room. He basically said "The interception is on me...we were trying to put the dagger in and seal the game"....

I mean I get it but in that situation, you run the ball and take the points. Three scores up and the dagger is in regardless. I like the aggressiveness more often than not but that's one of those moments you don't get cute. Situational football FTW. On the other side of the coin - your two time Super Bowl MVP needs to know not to make that dumb throw.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
At what point does insisting you're a competitor become bad management though? Brees became Peyton Manning jr. grinding teams for points in the regular season then faltering in the playoffs. Saints Championship season came when they had an opportunistic defense to go along with Brees slinging.

Pats and Brady were patient and reloaded. Steelers are at the tail end of a reload. Shy of a miracle performance it seems Brees Saints career is finished - no way they'll be able to rebuild while he still has the ability to take them to the Super Bowl.
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They are rebuilding now. Saints have a ton of rookies starting. It shows with poor on the field performance this year but some are showing promise and they should be a lot better next year with a season of learning behind them.

You are right in that the window is closed for Brees, so the Saints now have to enter the QB draft lottery probably this offseason and pray for the best while paying Brees 20+ million a year to not make the playoffs.

And the Pats and Steelers didn't reload. They were competitive always. They deserve a ton of credit for that because it is the hardest thing to do (much harder than blowing up a team and doing a rebuild) but they didn't destroy the team and go into rebuild mode like you are saying.
 
Polamalu over the past 5 years was like Kobe on defense over the same time period. He didn't do shit but he would gamble every now and then and make a "signature play", just enough to win some defensive accolades.
 
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So weekly on the niners:

I called this shitstorm the second Tomsula was hired (but I agreed that Harbaugh had to go as the NFL had caught up to him bigtime). You bring in a defensive coach who didn't hire a quality staff, you had the worst offensive line in the NFL last year and it only got worse, and you took enormous personnel hits to the defense that was only mediocre last year. To its credit, the defense was good yesterday (unlike the past two weeks were they were awful).

Yes, Kaep is struggling but, even as a big supporter, I called that as well before the season started as there are no starting quality receivers on this team to go with a high school level offensive line. I also called that he would be blamed for everything because that is how people roll (its always the QB!). Now, he looks like he has totally lost his trust in the people surrounding him and himself. I'm not sure what they told him this week at practice but it looks like he was told to just essentially throw the ball away if there was ANY doubt or the receivers were covered (which these guys always are since they can't get open). That is some bullshit advice to give a QB like Kaep who is way more like Favre than Montana. Most those "misses" looked like throws where he was just taking zero risk of being intercepted.

I'm not even going to start on what I think that training with Kurt Warner has done to his throwing motion and mind-set. He just needs to forget that summer ever happened and just THROW THE DAMN BALL without overthinking every dropback.
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Kap was unable to see open receivers for most of the game, Boldin and Smith are both totally frustrated with him, the problem lies with Kap, not anyone else. The ol is shit, but it's not like there were zero opportunities to move the chain, Kap was just a complete failure the last three games, he sees a tenth of the field and locks into receivers, he doesn't have a quick release to make plays, more often than not he has to cock his arm back to make any kind of throw.
The niners need to draft a QB because this silly experiment is over.
 
I can't be the only Miami Dolphins fan spending the day at work refreshing PFT (or similar) every 10 minutes for news of Philbin's firing, can I?

What's sad is that me and my brother had a good chat about widespread preseason delusions in the media way back when.
Oh how we laughed at the idea that trading for Sam Bradford and DeMarco Murray was a good idea, or that the Eagles should be favourites for the NFC East.
And we laughed at the idea that Luck was a proper MVP candidate, or the Colts were Super Bowl contenders.
And we laughed at the idea that losing Jordy Nelson might affect Rodgers and the Packers in the slightest.
And we laughed at the idea that the Dolphins would make the playoffs.

Oh wait, he laughed at that last one. I bought in fully. When you're a fan those preseason delusions hit you hard. You can't properly judge your own team. It keeps happening to me, season after season. I have a good handle on every team but my own.

If I wasn't sitting 40-20 against the spread and 4-0 in fantasy this would be a lost season for me. Thank god for all the extraneous bullshit that surrounds football these days.
 
Bread said:
Polamalu over the past 5 years was like Kobe on defense over the same time period. He didn't do shit but he would gamble every now and then and make a "signature play", just enough to win some defensive accolades.
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Thats what happens when you get old but don't want to cheat.

Its a tough choice between integrity and results.

Luckily for you as a Pats fan its not something you have to ever worry about.
 
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