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McCarthy drops out the House Speaker race

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Fox318 said:
meet your new speaker

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He looks like Azazel from Supernatural.

Someone photoshop yellow eyes!
 
Fox right now has a guy on talking about how there is a special list that is made, in this post 911 world, with people who would step into the role if something happens. He was saying that it could be applied here.

I really don't know anymore...
 
Grym said:
I mean that is a path to take but Democrats aren't voting for a Republican leader even if moderate. Or does he mean his 200+ group of Repubs will help vote Pelosi in as leader? I mean...no way. Just no way that will happen.
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They might as well switch parties if the Republicans do that.
 
Baraka in the White House said:
I felt a great disturbance. Like hundreds of thousands of teapublicans shitting themselves in anger.
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If this happens the conservatives will be screaming.
Although they will probably be screaming at him for suggesting this anyways.
I will be amazed if this happens and the conservative coalition blocking McCarthy ends up with someone even more moderate than him becoming the house speaker.
 
If the establishment wing of the Republican party has to rely on getting Democrat votes to elect a speaker I can foresee a lot of extreme right voters sitting the 2016 election out.
 
The only way a bipartisan coalition of that nature would work would be if some of the Republicans decided to essentially make a third party.
 
MJPIA said:
If this happens the conservatives will be screaming.
Although they will probably be screaming at him for suggesting this anyways.
I will be amazed if this happens and the conservative coalition blocking McCarthy ends up with someone even more moderate than him becoming the house speaker.
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One thing that can be said about the Democratic voters in the house, they are fairly rank and file when it comes to votes like this (it was always the senate that was not so all together as far as voting for certain things). If the leadership of the party says vote for someone, they will probably be able to get votes for it so if the establishment wants to help form this coalition, so long as its someone the leadership thinks will do a good job, they can probably get enough to break the tea party voting block with help from establishment wing of the republican party. Of course the big elephant in the room (pun intended) is that any republican who ends up voting in this coalition will likely have a primary challenger on the tea party side to worry about come next year.
 
Oh Lord. Two fucking idiots running for speakership. Good luck trying to get anything done in the house until dems regain a majority.
 
Allard said:
One thing that can be said about the Democratic voters in the house, they are fairly rank and file when it comes to votes like this (it was always the senate that was not so all together as far as voting for certain things). If the leadership of the party says vote for someone, they will probably be able to get votes for it so if the establishment wants to help form this coalition, so long as its someone the leadership thinks will do a good job, they can probably get enough to break the tea party voting block with help from establishment wing of the republican party. Of course the big elephant in the room (pun intended) is that any republican who ends up voting in this coalition will likely have a primary challenger on the tea party side to worry about come next year.
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The House Repubs also would have to give something seriously substantial to the Dems for this.
 
fleon said:
Would this be even possible in the political environment that we are in?
It could be political suicide if a Republican votes for a Dem and vice versa.
The only way this could work is if they had a candidate that they all could agree on, and I don't think that's Pelosi.
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It would not be political suicide for a Democrat to vote for a Republican speaker. It would be really stupid if they didn't require some kind of concession to make it happen, but as long as that happens I don't think there would be much blow-back.

A good question is what kind of concession could Democrats ask for and expect to realistically receive? An end to the Planned Parenthood charade?

edit: An end to the Hasert rule is good.
 
I mean, is this the moment the Establishment finally says "fuck it"? They've bowed to these idiots for 5 straight years, and have gotten nothing for it. It's time to tell them to get on board with the larger party, or cut bait.

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LegendofJoe said:
A good question is what kind of concession could Democrats ask for and expect to realistically receive? An end to the Planned Parenthood charade?
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End the Hastert rule on an anonymous ballot, as the poster above mentioned.
 
Has everyone seen/heard this guy speaking? Rachel Maddow did a nice little collection of videos on her show yesterday. Dude, quite literally, can't speak English.

Even Republicans were probably like, "There's no way in hell."
 
entrement said:
Any long time US political observers can explain why Republicans veered hard right?

The demographics and national opinions don't support it, yet it's worked out for them in State legislatures, Congress and governorships.

I remember more moderate Republicans in the 80s and 90s.
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US political setup gives rural areas too much power. Gerrymandering + voter suprression = GOP doing well in legislatures.
 
LegendofJoe said:
It would not be political suicide for a Democrat to vote for a Republican speaker. I'd be really stupid if they didn't require some kind of concession to make it happen, but as long as that happens I don't think there would be much blow-back.

A good question is what kind of concession could Democrats ask for and expect to realistically receive? An end to the Planned Parenthood charade?
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If it were me I'd try and end the debt ceiling for good.
 
Ziltoidia 9 said:
Fox right now has a guy on talking about how there is a special list that is made, in this post 911 world, with people who would step into the role if something happens. He was saying that it could be applied here.

I really don't know anymore...
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dick cheney, speaker of the house.


does a list need more than 1 item?
 
entrement said:
Any long time US political observers can explain why Republicans veered hard right?

The demographics and national opinions don't support it, yet it's worked out for them in State legislatures, Congress and governorships.

I remember more moderate Republicans in the 80s and 90s.
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Same reason why it's happening all over the world.

The established majority in political, social, and economic power -- white males -- feel threatened.

Even for the poor, better to be poor and white than poor and black.

This is the same in Germany, the same in the UK, the same in Canada. It's a reaction to the world evolving into a more diverse, more "equal" place.

Whether the demographics support this strategy or not doesn't really matter. Why? Because like everywhere else in the world, older, white, male voters tend to have higher voter turnout and vote more consistently.

So a shrinking worldview is able to stay in power in these democracies because they rely on these voters to consistently turn up at the polls and young progressives to consistently be absent at the polls.
 
LegendofJoe said:
If the establishment wing of the Republican party has to rely on getting Democrat votes to elect a speaker I can foresee a lot of extreme right voters sitting the 2016 election out.
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Nope opposite effect, it would galvanize them further and cause them to vote even more against the establishment
 
Paul Ryan definitely does not want to get involved with this mess and destroy his future career. He has higher aspirations.
I'll put money he will be the GOP nominee in a future presidential race.

He is the chairman of ways and means (one of the most influential committees) and has already been on the ticket as VP. He is 45 years old. Short of a catastrophic scandal (like being speaker of the house currently), he will be around for quite a while.
 
Allard said:
The country as a whole doesn't support the demographic swings the Republicans have been having but part of it is a lot of those so called moderate republicans are now independents and in a lot of states you can't vote in a republican primary unless you identify as republican, in the end these 'independents' still see themselves more affiliated with republicans and end up voting republican anyways but now they have a candidate they would not normally have voted for but just couldn't vote for the otherside, so these partisan hacks end up getting through as a consequence. On top of all this the establishment elected an idiot with neocon advisers for president and with the advent of Fox news began 'conditioning' a lot of the more hard right into an extreme partisan force which they subsequently lost control of during the 2010 elections in a pursuit to completely undermine our current president at all cost. Judging from what I have seen those establishment candidates and voters are regretting this path because they can't control the group they galvanized anymore but yet still refuse to vote for the otherside. Until they can show that uncompromising stance on hard right side cannot work for them, they will continue to be a festering wound on our policy making.
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Rock and a hard place for Democrats and moderate Republicans. If these moderates vote with the other side, even if it makes total and absolute sense to do so, they will be punished, pulling us further to the right.

Look at what's happened to Eric Cantor and Robert Bennett. Bennett is from Utah - one of the most conservative states in the US. NOPE, NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!
 
Ok, so Boehner says he won't leave until a successor is picked.

So now what if eventually the Republicans can't pick anyone, and a few moderates split off to back a centrist Dem.

Now, the conservatives crawl back to Boehner, begging him to cancel his resignation so they can stop the be Dem speaker from taking power.

And Boehner just laughs, enjoying the sweetest vengeance that ever was as he walks out of the Capitol forever.
 
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