Is this guy who played Smash for a year the most dominant eSports player in history?
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LordOcidax
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Is amazing to see that some peoples believe that Smash has a small audience...
Enter the Dragon Punch
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other dudes have mentioned him, so i'm curious- what are his accomplishments? i have no real interest in the RTS genre so i know nothing whatsoever
Poltergust
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That's kinda an unfair comparison to make since not even the most popular fighting game can stand up to those.
Which is a shame, frankly.
Zabant
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This is a ludicrous statement, even back in the day with fatal1ty - the guy's face would be on a banner next to some advertisement for 'gamer grub' at E3 and places like quakecon, along with a bunch of other ridiculous stuff. He was everywhere.
This is a case of people being in their own little bubble and interpreting it as being representative of the wider world.
ZeRo is smalltime.
I'm confused how anyone can take most dominant eSports player in history as a title in under a year. That's just silly. As we've said throughout the thread
-Those 55 wins count weeklies. Who counts weeklies.
-Ken existed melee era.
-Non smash, aka the original question, Wong has done far and beyond that.
-Those 55 wins count weeklies. Who counts weeklies.
-Ken existed melee era.
-Non smash, aka the original question, Wong has done far and beyond that.
If you want to see consistent dominance, go look at all the records and souls DOLCE has crushed in Beatmania IIDX.
He's basically IIDX demigod in terms of how consistent he's ranked and wrecked other people in high scores. Throughout the course of 20+ IIDX games, he's constantly up top.
Yes, Beatmania IIDX rhythm games are competitive and are counted as such since Konami hosts annual tournaments for all their bemani games.
Justin Wong as mentioned before, is a Marvel 2 god and can basically learn and be good at any fighting game, fast. Dude picked up Gundam, one of the most popular games in Japan, like nothing.
He's basically IIDX demigod in terms of how consistent he's ranked and wrecked other people in high scores. Throughout the course of 20+ IIDX games, he's constantly up top.
Yes, Beatmania IIDX rhythm games are competitive and are counted as such since Konami hosts annual tournaments for all their bemani games.
Justin Wong as mentioned before, is a Marvel 2 god and can basically learn and be good at any fighting game, fast. Dude picked up Gundam, one of the most popular games in Japan, like nothing.
Gotta be Justin Wong during Marvel 2
just fucking insane
Evolution (2001) - 1st
Evolution (2002) - 1st
Evolution (2003) - 1st
Evolution (2004) - 1st
Evolution (2005) - 4th
Evolution (2006) - 1st
Evolution (2007) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 1st
Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2010) - 1st
Are you kidding me?
During that first run he was just not fucking losing matches EVER
and keep in mind this guy was also a top tier threat in Street Fighter at the same time
JUST FUCKING LOOK AT THIS SHIT
And he's fallen off a bit, but this dude still won Evo in Marvel 3 last year
just fucking insane
Evolution (2001) - 1st
Evolution (2002) - 1st
Evolution (2003) - 1st
Evolution (2004) - 1st
Evolution (2005) - 4th
Evolution (2006) - 1st
Evolution (2007) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 1st
Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2010) - 1st
Are you kidding me?
During that first run he was just not fucking losing matches EVER
and keep in mind this guy was also a top tier threat in Street Fighter at the same time
JUST FUCKING LOOK AT THIS SHIT
And he's fallen off a bit, but this dude still won Evo in Marvel 3 last year
I mean people will bring up more Evo wins or dominating for a longer period of time.
But this dude is literally undefeated for 50+ straight tournaments.
Won a 1926 man tournament without dropping a single game. (Evo 2015)
Has won two 1000+ entrant tournaments. (Apex & Evo)
Has had one of the greatest loser's bracket runs since Mang0's Pound 3 run. (TBH5)
And has adapted to about 5 major balance patches since the games launch a year ago.
I don't give a fuck what anyone says, he is.
Don't take this too seriously brehs. Read responses below.
But this dude is literally undefeated for 50+ straight tournaments.
Won a 1926 man tournament without dropping a single game. (Evo 2015)
Has won two 1000+ entrant tournaments. (Apex & Evo)
Has had one of the greatest loser's bracket runs since Mang0's Pound 3 run. (TBH5)
And has adapted to about 5 major balance patches since the games launch a year ago.
Don't take this too seriously brehs. Read responses below.
DryEyeRelief
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I think it's pretty normal to make these types of assertions. Back when ChrisG was the center of attention in the fgc, people made constant comparisons to Justin Wong. Even stating that he was superior.
But do you see people mentioning him now? lol It's pretty easy to get carried away with the current day popular player
But do you see people mentioning him now? lol It's pretty easy to get carried away with the current day popular player
foxuzamaki
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to top if off he made it 2nd in the pokken tournament invitational.
We found the elitist.
Nah he's not, he also dropped game and sets in the last tournament he was in (even if he ended up winning)
Smash 4 is new, not enough time for ZeRo's accomplishments to be labelled the "best"
Nah, no one played the game when NiP went 87-0. It's not that impressive.
I say Daigo in every fighting game that he cares about. Or Na`Vi in 2010 in CS.
He meant small as in competition size, I'm pretty sure ZeRo faces more opponents than in these other games.
How? He's never been as dominate as 2012 Infiltration of Current Momochi in SF4, and other games it's probably worse. Bas went out as the best A3 player and Daigo was never dominate in ST.
NormalFish
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Smash 4 still feels like a new game to me. Not sure it's really comparable to some of these other games, as I'm not convinced the level of competition is the same, nor am I convinced that the game has really been figured out to the degree that something like Melee or even Marvel might be. Apples and Oranges to an extent.
That isn't to say it's a lesser game or anything, but just raw tournament wins doesn't tell the full story.
That isn't to say it's a lesser game or anything, but just raw tournament wins doesn't tell the full story.
Otakumegane
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I'm pretty sure one of the terran players in Brood War was a lot more dominant.
Shining Sunshine
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He's won 8 major Brood Wars titles. Holds the record of the highest Kespa points. Completely dominate in the most competitive esports scene at the time.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Flash
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Jwong has over 85 tournament wins
Also isn't Smash 4 player or all the tourneys 1 on 1
Consecutive. I don't think you understand how important consecutive wins are.
And what do you mean 1 on 1? The games are 1v1, best of 3 until top 32 or top 8 where they're best of 5, 2 stock 6 minutes.
Idk how dropping games is relevant to winning and having consecutive wins. The fact that he lost early on and came back and tore through the bracket should speak volumes about his mental stamina.
Of course it's new but no player has shown this level of dominance early on for any game, especially a game that has had multiple balance patches since launch.
Poltergust
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...You think tournament matches for any Smash game are done as a free-for-all? Have you not watched a single tournament match anywhere?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I don't think you understand how impressive 85+ tournament wins across 10+ games is.
So every single game in these Smash tournaments were 1v1? Impressive
Only the finals. I don't bother with the Smash early bracket stuff, so I asked a question. Chill
Well then uh
I would write these in depth, but whats the point if you don't seem to care what others are saying?
-Weeklies are not going to be considered tournaments, stop saying that.
-Won Apex and Evo is still nothing on wong
-Was in the losers bracket and won isn't even a point
-Adopted to 5 major balance patches means nothing when, again, Wong adapted to changes in his games and playing tons of different games.
-Telling us you don't give a fuck about what we say is rude.
lazybones18
Banned
his face looks punchable
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
Honestly, never heard of him and it's only Smash.
Maybe he should get into some moba/go and see how good he really is.
Maybe he should get into some moba/go and see how good he really is.
Poltergust
Member
What's so impressive about that? That has always been the standard for any fighting game.
I don't get it... ._.
Generally a good idea not to comment on something if you don't know what you're talking about.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Because 4 players would open up a lot more chances to sneak out a win rather than 1 on 1 on a game like Smash?
Poltergust
Member
But... that goes against the entire point of competitive play, right? Why would any tournament players want that?
What fighting game is not 1v1? Besides smash doubles.
85 is super impressive. Jwong is a god, I am not denying that in any way.
But I didn't know you meant across multiple games. In that case here are the amount of wins ZeRo has had across 4 games. (Melee, Brawl, Project M, and Smash 4)
Note all Smash 4 wins are consecutive from the Wii U launch onward.
When he dabbled in League he got to Diamond 3. But I think that was only for a short period of time, he dropped it to focus all his time on Smash.
So take that for what you will.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
I will say this, again: I wasn't sure how earlier Smash bracket matches were done, so I asked. That's it.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Except it's true when you compare it to other eSports.
Sure, this guy went into a 2000 whatever entry tournament, but League of Legends players are versus millions to get to where they are, and the major leagues are the best of the best players that dominated the client game's ladders.
Poltergust
Member
That's fair, I suppose. Still an odd thing to assume if you have any experience with fighting games, though...
he has a sCARf
Is this the part where we debate whether or not Smash is a "real" fighting game? This thread has to go there eventually,
SmartWaffles
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In Starcraft II:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mvp_(player)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Life
There are couple more who also stayed in championship contender form for 1-2 years, Zero still has a lot longer to go to reach that height. Not even mentioning Brood War titans like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mvp_(player)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Life
There are couple more who also stayed in championship contender form for 1-2 years, Zero still has a lot longer to go to reach that height. Not even mentioning Brood War titans like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu.