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[The Adder]

Honestly, never heard of him and it's only Smash.

Maybe he should get into some moba/go and see how good he really is.

This is kind of the most ridiculous comment.

"Is Michael Phelps the most dominant Olympic athlete in history?"

"Honestly, he's only in swimming. Maybe he should get into some 100 meter dash/Cross Country Racing and see how good he really is."

Like, what the fuck does this shit even mean?

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

That's fair, I suppose. Still an odd thing to assume if you have any experience with fighting games, though...

Considering it's not a traditional fighting game, I don't see what the harm in asking was.

 

[grimmiq]

Should've read the OP properly, looking over the list now.

 

[The Adder]

Except it's true when you compare it to other eSports.

Sure, this guy went into a 2000 whatever entry tournament, but League of Legends players are versus millions to get to where they are, and the major leagues are the best of the best players that dominated the client game's ladders.

This would be relevant if he'd said "fighting games are a relatively small scene."

Given that he didn't, I'd say calling the 2nd or 3rd biggest fighting game scene "relatively small" is silly as fuck.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

This is kind of the most ridiculous comment.

"Is Michael Phelps the most dominant Olympic athlete in history?"

"Honestly, he's only in swimming. Maybe he should get into some 100 meter dash/Cross Country Racing and see how good he really is."

Like, what the fuck does this shit even mean?

Uh, everyone's heard of Michael Phelps, and the analogy comparing Olympics to Smash Bros is quite ridiculous.

This would be relevant if he'd said "fighting games are a relatively small scene."

Given that he didn't, I'd say calling the 2nd or 3rd biggest fighting game scene "relatively small" is silly as fuck.

The thread title says esports.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Uh, everyone's heard of Michael Phelps, and the analogy comparing Olympics to Smash Bros is quite ridiculous.



The thread title says esports.

Do you even remember what you're talking about

 

[NormalFish]

Do you even remember what you're talking about

the answer is no.

 

[nikos]

Smash is pretty insignificant in the FGC, let alone eSports as a whole.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Would need more info on the 50+ tournaments, given that the game's only been out a year, 50+ wins sounds like a lot of those are weekly local tournaments, how many people are in those and are they the same opponents each week?

If he travels around and plays new places, awesome..But if 20+ of those wins are against the same group of people then it becomes less impressive after half a dozen wins.

At least 20 of them were weekly tourneys in a place he had played twice or more

 

[pizzacat]

Fatal1ty's face was used to sell motherboards. Think about that for a moment.

I'm sure this guy is on some scarf some where

 

[Ambition]

Maybe in Smash he's the most dominant but in eSports as a whole? lmao no

 

[DryEyeRelief]

This would be relevant if he'd said "fighting games are a relatively small scene."

Given that he didn't, I'd say calling the 2nd or 3rd biggest fighting game scene "relatively small" is silly as fuck.

Kind of veering off into a different topic but there can be an argument made for smash being the largest fighter. Using evo entrants as a metric is flawed because Evo still is primarily and historically a capcom fighting game event. They just recently got into hosting smash bros.

 

[MrWizard]

Is this thread a joke?

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Is this thread a joke?

wellthereitis.gif

sup wizard

 

[BreezyLimbo]

As far as most known and most popular, Faker easily dominates everyone. Considered the best League player in the world, hugely popular in South Korea and elsewhere.

Dunno who the guy in the OP is.

 

[Tripon]

Is this thread a joke?

And we are done.

 

[FZZ]

Is this thread a joke?

Aw shit, y'all brought out Mr. Wizard.

 

[Seyavesh]

i actually wanna know how many locals and smaller tournaments jwong won in the timespan where he was undefeated in marvel 2 also because i'd imagine that number is hiiilarious

like, possibly several hundreds hilarious? i dunno

Is this thread a joke?

who do you think it is and more importantly, why isn't it justin wong

 

[Arcteryx]

If I have to ask "who?", then no.

 

[pizzacat]

Does smash 4 need an crt? Maybe it wouldn't get much hate if it wasted time like bringing out a crt does lol

 

[Soulflarz]

Is this thread a joke?

And I'm laughing irl now

 

[SUPERJEM94]

Is this thread a joke?

/thread

 

[FZZ]

Does smash 4 need an crt? Maybe it wouldn't get much hate if it wasted time like bringing out a crt does lol

That's Melee.

And I actually want to hear who Wizard thinks is the most dominant player.

 

[slayzz]

As far as most known and most popular, Faker easily dominates everyone. Considered the best League player in the world, hugely popular in South Korea and elsewhere.

Dunno who the guy in the OP is.

I agree. I follow esport from Fighting Games to RTS to Moba. I never heard of this guy before today. Also from looking at his wiki page, it seems like only 5 are big tournament, while the other 50 are small weekly tournaments.

 

[Dahbomb]

The answer to this thread is Justin Marvelous Wong during the MVC2 era. 4 years undefeated.

People probably lost track of how many tournaments (especially weeklies which the OP wants to count as tournament wins) Justin won in a row back then. Dude would go to out of country and beat people with a Servbot team.


Of course one can argue all day long that Justin winning MVC2 tournaments back in the day wasn't as big of a deal as Zero winning in Smash 4 because of the difference in tournament entrants. Though it's really more about the quality of the contestants than the quantity of contestants.

 

[NormalFish]

Does smash 4 need an crt? Maybe it wouldn't get much hate if it wasted time like bringing out a crt does lol

Does a Wii u game need a crt? What?

 

[Toxi]

Does smash 4 need an crt? Maybe it wouldn't get much hate if it wasted time like bringing out a crt does lol

No, that's Melee. Why would a 2014 game need a CRT?

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

The answer to this thread is Justin Marvelous Wong during the MVC2 era. 4 years undefeated.

People probably lost track of how many tournaments Justin won in a row back then. Dude would go to out of country and beat people with a Servbot team.


Of course one can argue all day long that Justin winning MVC2 tournaments back in the day wasn't as big of a deal as Zero winning in Smash 4 because of the difference in tournament entrants.

Quality over quantity. Even when it comes to entrants

 

[The Adder]

Uh, everyone's heard of Michael Phelps, and the analogy comparing Olympics to Smash Bros is quite ridiculous.

It doesn't matter whether you've heard of someone. The question wasn't whether or not he's the most well known.

And it's a perfectly apt comparison. If you're asking if someone's the most dominant person in a broad category (sports vs esports) saying they aren't because they don't play an entirely different sport is ridiculous.

If those people who played MOBA's played smash, they'd suck too. Because it's not their eSport.

The thread title says esports.

And it's in the top 2 or three scenes in a genre of eSports, it was a silly comment.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Quality over quantity. Even when it comes to entrants

lol no one would make this kind of argument when comparing current day fighters to each other

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Do you even remember what you're talking about

I remember that this ZeRo is literally a zero in the Esports scene.

Also remember thinking Smash is more like Billiards than it is like a juggernaut like Football, which League of Legends fits that Football analogy perfectly.

It doesn't matter whether you've heard of someone. The question wasn't whether or not he's the most well known.

And it's a perfectly apt comparison. If you're asking if someone's the most dominant person in a broad category (sports vs esports) saying they aren't because they don't play an entirely different sport is ridiculous.

If those people who played MOBA's played smash, they'd suck too. Because it's not their eSport.

And it's in the top 2 or three scenes in a genre of eSports, it was a silly comment.

Michael Phelps is set in history. This ZeRo guy is a nobody. Deal with it.

And Top 2 or 3 eSports? LOL! Top 3 eSports is League, DotA, and CS:GO.

Edit: Let me correct that since I noticed you said Genre. The Top 3 eSports genre is Moba, FPS, and CCG.

 

[haunts]

pretty sure its mike ross.

 

[FZZ]

Quality over quantity. Even when it comes to entrants

Then all the LA and Tristate weeklies are quality.

Pretty sure ZeRo only faced top 20 talent players there in top 8.

As for Chicago not really. And Vegas (DVDA) only has Fow when he does decide to show.

 

[Wallach]

pretty sure its mike ross.

Has any other eSports competitor gotten a record deal from their success? Checkmate, atheists.

 

[Clairvoyance]

I remember that this ZeRo is literally a zero in the Esports scene.

Also remember thinking Smash is more like Billiards than it is like a juggernaut like Football, which League of Legends fits that Football analogy perfectly.



Michael Phelps is set in history. This ZeRo guy is a nobody. Deal with it.

And Top 2 or 3 eSports? LOL! Top 3 eSports is League, DotA, and CS:GO.

Have you ever made a coherent post?

 

[DryEyeRelief]

The answer to this thread is Justin Marvelous Wong during the MVC2 era. 4 years undefeated.

People probably lost track of how many tournaments (especially weeklies which the OP wants to count as tournament wins) Justin won in a row back then. Dude would go to out of country and beat people with a Servbot team.


Of course one can argue all day long that Justin winning MVC2 tournaments back in the day wasn't as big of a deal as Zero winning in Smash 4 because of the difference in tournament entrants. Though it's really more about the quality of the contestants than the quantity of contestants.

Even Justin himself compared Bala's one year dominance in KOF13 to his own reign over Marvel 2. Zero is at least comparable in the same sense.

 

[Omega]

1. No one can be proclaimed the greatest at anything when it's still basically in infancy. Smash hasn't even been out for a year yet. The meta will change, people will find out new things, etc.

2. Even if you want to proclaim someone the greatest because he was good at a game in infancy, he's not even the best fighting game player ever. Justin Wong dominated MvC2 for years.

 

[#sorrynotsorry]

You guys may as well also consider Shoot to Kill/Final Boss from Halo MLG. They were pretty amazing and absolutely dominated.

The OP players' smash success is frankly unimpressive because there's not nearly as much competition. Sure he's very good, but he's definitely not proven he's the best. And playing Smash, he never will.

 

[LOLCats]

Lol who

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Dominating in Smash 4 tournaments? Well, amongst the casuals the core gamer is king, right?

Spoiler

/S

 

[M.W.]

Pretty sure it's F4T4LITY

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Pretty sure it's F4T4LITY

I could go for some GAMER GRUB™ right now

 

[The Adder]

I remember that this ZeRo is literally a zero in the Esports scene.

Also remember thinking Smash is more like Billiards than it is like a juggernaut like Football, which League of Legends fits that Football analogy perfectly.



Michael Phelps is set in history. This ZeRo guy is a nobody. Deal with it.

And Top 2 or 3 eSports? LOL! Top 3 eSports is League, DotA, and CS:GO.

Edit: Let me correct that since I noticed you said Genre. The Top 3 eSports genre is Moba, FPS, and CCG.

You need to learn to read what people write better.

Also, you need to learn what an analogy is.

Also, you need to learn what "most dominant" means.

Otherwise, it's really not worth having this conversation.

 

[Warxard]

pretty sure its mike ross.

Good post.

 

[M.W.]

I could go for some GAMER GRUB™ right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gpAm7rXHkMQ

 

[Shining Sunshine]

You need to learn to read what people write better.

Also, you need to learn what an analogy is.

Also, you need to learn what "most dominant" means.

Otherwise, it's really not worth having this conversation.

Most dominant of a game, no one but a small group cares about, isn't being dominant.

To be a dominant eSports player, you have to compete in an eSports that the very best from every part of the World competes in. Smash isn't that eSports.

 

[Hazaro]

Smash 4 doesn't have enough of a drive behind it imo. I have more respect for the Melee players given how technical it is.
You can be the best of something, but it isn't that impressive until there's enough people playing the shit out of it that being the best means something.

I've watched Zero play, he's good, but it's whatever to me.

Flash in Brood War is the real answer.

Flash, anyone?

Who is Flash

who is Boxer

who is naDa

other dudes have mentioned him, so i'm curious- what are his accomplishments? i have no real interest in the RTS genre so i know nothing whatsoever

TeamLiquid Final Edit: The Ultimate Weapon
$500,000 in prize earnings, much much more than that in salaries and sponsorships. Nicknamed God. Flash on a plane

Small Korean children who dreamt of becoming progamers with 14hour a day training over weeks to prepare a single cheese build on a map to beat him were struck down by Flash. Anyone with an understanding of BroodWar who watched Flash's games in his prime had an incredible treat. No one dominated like Flash did, especially in his TvT streak of 14-0(?). He simply did not lose, and if he did it was a 50+ minute tactical positioning war of attrition against another S tier player.

This was eSports 10 years ago

Bonus: Savior in his prime (TL: God of the Battlefield)

 

[chualie]

An argument can be made for "Most dominant right now" but considering the game has only been out for a year, I believe you would have to wait and see to call him the most dominant in eSports history.

 

[Fandangox]

An argument can be made for "Most dominant right now" but considering the game has only been out for a year, I believe you would have to wait and see to call him the most dominant in eSports history.

Not even right now, he is the most dominant at Smash, but at large in the whole FGC/Esports scene, not really.

 

[Lothars]

I mean people will bring up more Evo wins or dominating for a longer period of time.

But this dude is literally undefeated for 50+ straight tournaments.

Won a 1926 man tournament without dropping a single game. (Evo 2015)

Has won two 1000+ entrant tournaments. (Apex & Evo)

Has had one of the greatest loser's bracket runs since Mang0's Pound 3 run. (TBH5)

And has adapted to about 5 major balance patches since the games launch a year ago.

I don't give a fuck what anyone says, he is.

Again Smash has been out a year and I wouldn't say he comes close to Justin Wong Streak. If Zero can keep it up and win tournaments constantly for multiple years than maybe but until than he is not even close.