Graphics Horse
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I see everyone's getting their 'next month will be interesting' statements in extra early this month.
September 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes October 13th
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Kenzodielocke
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Is NPD always this late ?
Also, as a german, it is akward to wait for NPD.
Also, as a german, it is akward to wait for NPD.
slavesnyder
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TBiddy
Member
Am I missing something, or isn't Halo released in the next NPD period?
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Nevermind, I'm apparantly unable to read and comprehend.
5-week month (meaning an extra week waiting compared to August), and it's delayed 4 days from original planned release. On the good side, means that they probably won't need to delay Oct., Nov., or Dec. results for more system upgrades now.
I expect XB1 to win by 5k.
I think people look at the postion too much, what really matters is the difference in numbers. For example if one console wins by 5k the "loser" will be doomed here at Gaf.
Eh, 7-10k.
Yes, it's Halo's month, so if Xbox One doesn't outsell PS4 by 150k/200k will be a fail.
If PS4 surpass Xbox One than will be a historic thread, people will consider catastrophic for Microsoft, Xbox One will be doomed.
Are you allowed to call a product that isn't limited a limited edition? I wonder how many they made.
You're overestimating that amount greatly. The posters that are bound to melt will settle for the win at any costA loss however....
There will definitely be a turn of heads if the Xbox One loses October that's for damn sure.
The Destiny bundle issue with Amazon at the very least is that, well, they're out of stock. Back-ordered to Oct 23rd. We'll see if they match the lower price then.
Anyone that works at Gamestop or Bestbuy can confirm that the Destiny bundle is still $399.99 per Sony's request or will the stores have to price lower at $349.99 if a consumer asks at check-out? I just find it hard to believe Sony would rather not drop the Destiny Bundle to $349.99 too.
Destiny bundle is a themed console, the standard price is $399, like Limited Edition Battlefront bundle.
I don't know, what does it matter anyway?
Also, if Microsoft was planning to move tonnes of hardware, it would be wise to have lots of stock for the bundle.
Sangetsu-II
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It still isn't passing TLOU or Uncharted Bundle by rank (Hourly & Monthly), it makes no difference if it can't do that.
It's actually just one spot behind the Uncharted bundle. I think it may even pass it tomorrow, but I don't think it will pass the TLOU bundle.
I don't know, what does it matter anyway?
Also, if Microsoft was planning to move tonnes of hardware, it would be wise to have lots of stock for the bundle.
Well usually when something is a limited edition not many are made. It may even be to our advantage because in some products calling something a limited edition you are legally required to tell the public how many are produced. Not sure if that applies to consoles.
Also looking at the charts the bundle is slow to move up. The Destiny bundle was high up weeks before release if i remember correctly. I was expecting it to be in the top ten already. The game itself is already at 3 which could show that it's selling, but mainly to XB1 owners.
Not saying XB1 won't take the month, it definitely can, i just don't think the sales gap will be anything substantial.
Now if MS does a surprise price cut........
Hades Hotgun
Banned
'Not many' is an arbitrary amount. Limited means that from the outset, it won't be a standard in production. They could make several million and it would still be a limited edition if production has a definite and preset end. Not all limited editions of things are individually numbered either.
ethomaz
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PS4 Destiny LE bundle ended at #5 in Sep 2014 Amazon.
I don't think Xbone Halo LE bundle will reach this high.
PS. To be fair PS4 Destiny LE bundle always was high in the Amazon... It moved about 300k PS4s in Sep 2014... 540k PS4s overall.
ethomaz
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In US it is more due Destiny... MGSV was not bundled here but yeap it helped... Destiny TTK PS4 LE bundle helped more.
There was no MGS5 bundle in the US? Sony hates money or there is a better reason for this?
Weird decision.
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap... no MGSV bundle in US... it was a SCEA decision.
I guess they found Destiny to be a bigger game to move consoles in US than MGSV and I do think they were right... Destiny LE bundle was the top bundle in Amazon September at #9 (one position below MGSV PS4 game).
mejin
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A sad day for America.
Why_not_both.GIF?
Chaostar
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Why? Or is this a joke/meme I've missed?
It was indeed a weird decision by SCEA. Still I believe that MGSV pushed some PS4 sales during September.
Talking about the rest of the year....quite frankly I don't see Microsoft winning any month unless they introduce a 50$ holiday promotion and their 399$ bundles are repositioned at 349$. The PS4 price cut was a great move and perfectly timed as well, basically it will be in effect for all the October tracking period. SCEA was smart to not wait for the PGW conference to announce it (like SCEE is likely planning to do).
I think MS plans to make their move in November and December, probably in October they're counting ''just'' on Halo.
But the recent comments by Phil Spencer made me think that at this point they feel the system is running on its legs, so they don't need to be price aggressive just to win the sales race with Sony. Last year they had to save the system, this year they might be happy to have a good holiday season and start making money, something that Sony started doing on PS4 long ago.
We'll see how things unfold from here.
NickFire
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Halo v $50 price cut. The battle for the ages.
do they need to be? I'm not entirely sure about the law but I think as long as they say how many are produced then they can call it a limited edition. The consumer can then value it based on that.
Kenzodielocke
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Shouldn't MS just make another Halo 5 bundle for 349? It makes no sense that the only Halo 5 bundle is this limited edition console (which could be considered as ugly) for 499.
If there was a standard bundle planned for Halo5, I guess they would have announced it at their big bundle reveal.
Now there might be one for Brack Friday Bundurus...
That and the absence of a general TR $349 bundle are the things I'm still trying to wrap my head around...
You really underestimate the power of Halo to move consoles, Halo 5 is the first big blockbuster exclusive that has a mass appeal (Sony should have something similar with U4 next year), it should move lots of consoles.
Plus, it's obvious that MS will offer the more attractive bundles even at the same price point, they'd most probably throw in a 1 year Live/ 50$ coupon/ extra game, this will help them to keep their perceived price advantage.
From the bundles they've announced and the prices of those bundles, I think it's fair to say Microsoft is focusing more on revenue this holiday season. It's true that a $349 Halo 5 bundle will move more hardware significantly, but Microsoft would potentially lose a considerable amount of money from it. Moreover, with a $499 bundle, they are likely making money off it and they know many people will still buy it just because it's Halo. This is also why I believe we won't see any further price drops from Microsoft this holiday season, aside from Black Friday.
I'm sure it will help and it will move many units.
But on the contrary I feel some fans are way overstimating it.
This is not 2007 and the launch of Halo 3. Many people have moved on, Call of Duty has become the biggest fps on consoles and there are also other options. Also 343i has not built such a great reputation among fans with Halo 4 and the Master Chief Collection.
And as much as Amazon can't be an indicator of the whole market, right now we're seeing how the PS4 price cut is doing a much better work than Halo at selling consoles.
The (inane) Lego XB1 bundle is the one that makes me think a $50 price cut will be coming in November. MS will probably be waiting the very end of October to announce it, to avoid the repeat of last year's huge drop in sales.
-IF- the price cut happens, we will then be looking at
- $299 LegoXB1 bundle
- $299 GeoW white XB1 bundle
- $349 1tb TR bundle, limited (not available WW, and MS stores/ BB only in US)
- $349 Fallout4 1tb bundle
- $349 Forza 6 1tb bundle
- $349 Kinect bundle
- $349 Gears+replay+ori 1tb
- $449 Halo5 1tb bundle
Which is certainly looking a lot more appealing than what we have right now imo.
-IF- the price cut happens, we will then be looking at
- $299 LegoXB1 bundle
- $299 GeoW white XB1 bundle
- $349 1tb TR bundle, limited (not available WW, and MS stores/ BB only in US)
- $349 Fallout4 1tb bundle
- $349 Forza 6 1tb bundle
- $349 Kinect bundle
- $349 Gears+replay+ori 1tb
- $449 Halo5 1tb bundle
Which is certainly looking a lot more appealing than what we have right now imo.
Obliterator
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Well Sony picked October for the price drop specifically to counter Halo so its going to be a fun gamble to see how that pans out on who wins.
That said first half of the month should be big for Sony and the last week or so big for Xbone.
Who cares about September NPD October's going to be the fun one!
That said first half of the month should be big for Sony and the last week or so big for Xbone.
Who cares about September NPD October's going to be the fun one!
I'm pretty sure there will be a price cut. The $349 bundles became pretty unattractive after PS4 price cut.
If MS drop 500GB bundles to $299 and 1TB bundles for $349, Xbox One will be huge in holidays.
NickFire
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My guess is they are focused on financials and not moving consoles this season. After trying pretty hard last year, and not making any long terms gains towards catching the leader, they probably feel compelled to make shareholders happy to avoid further calls to spin the brand off. Alternatively, they may want to bump the profits up to make the brand more attractive to someone like Amazon. Whatever their goal, Phil's admission that they wont be catching Sony strongly suggests the lack of 349 bundles for these games is profit driven.
ethomaz
Banned
Yeah the best.
Angelus Errare
Banned
The lower charting system shoots up higher relative to the higher charting system moving up, imagine that.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
The fact that these bundles are mostly 1TB makes me believe there will be no $50 price drop across the board.
I think the deals they did last year were worth it despite likely massive losses. Now that platform is in a much better position compared to last year around this time they will probably be more conservative with pricing.
Hard to tell, because the PS4 has been available for $299 equivalent over 2 or 3 days at Target (both Stores and online afaik) this past week end, and Monoprice had it (the Uncharted bundle) at $310 yesterday afaik? (Ebay sale).
The Uncharted bundle is gaining steam now on Amazon though, but the TLOU bundle has been doing great.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Halo 5 is going to sell well, no one is doubting that, however I do not think it will push consoles. The Master Chief collection probably sold more people on Xbox One than Halo 5 did. 343 has done quite of damage to the Halo brand with Halo 4. Many people abandoned the game a week or so after when Black Ops 2 came out, and now they are doing the same thing except in a worse market for them, along with other huge competitors like Fallout 4, Star Wars and even Destiny. People that still love Halo bought the collection last year because of the great single player they had playing 1, 2, and 3, along with great multiplayer experiences with 2 & 3. Unless Halo 5 gets great reviews and I mean like 10/10 reviews, than I do not think people will buy an Xbox One for it. Not when the go to system for multiplayer games is becoming PS4.