Yeah. I thought it was awful then, and I think it's awful now. I'm not here to be "that guy" and I know there's no point in trying to be a voice of (imo) reason when the hype train is going 600mph. So don't mind me, I'm just sitting back wondering how this is where we ended up.
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Yeah. I thought it was awful then, and I think it's awful now. I'm not here to be "that guy" and I know there's no point in trying to be a voice of (imo) reason when the hype train is going 600mph. So don't mind me, I'm just sitting back wondering how this is where we ended up.
Sucks Frankie would never comment on design inspirations, but would respond to a troll comment.
Lockout was an amazing map (I know some hate it) with a beautiful aesthetic - a snowy night. It brought soul to the map.
That's why I've always thought that having pro gamers being studio staff is bad influence for design sometimes.
Twilight Gap
Member
Agreed. the lack of competitive terrain maps is disappointing. Even Regret got its color washed out.
I don't think pros have anything to do with art direction, aside from obvious stuff like sun glare or team colors. Just think the designers focused too much on "arena maps". And pro players love playing their 2 base, 2 tower maps.
link1201
Member
I'm not sure why this would have to be true. I would not consider these two things mutually exclusive.
BrahReally
Member
I see that they kept that placeholder looking GUI in the menus, yuck.
Genuinely curious, are there any outdoor vibrant maps like Valhalla/Blood gulch in Arena that you've seen so far?
I know there is one in Warzone.. I'm wondering if the design ethos has been: Arena = simplistic, sleek, no clutter, small. Warzone = Big, colourful, vehicles vehicles vehicles.
Nialrot
Member
I don't think art design/direction has anything to do with the pro gamers lol
My understanding is the "pro staff" on payroll is for the HCS stuff and testing purposes.
I would assume the maps are just related to the campaign in some aspect and that's why they are more industrial.
See if Stinkles says anything....
DarthWalden
Banned
Anyone streaming Warzone? All I see is people playing arena
Everyone assumes there aren't enough people playing warzone so they don't try to play warzone.
QuantumSquid
Member
I'm wondering this is as well. Shouldn't be impossible to get a Warzone game considering people are finding Arena games relatively quickly now?
WordsintheWater
Member
Nope they all pretty much have the same aesthetic and design ethos in Arena. Warzone looks more varied
Matchmaking is really slow because there aren't a whole lot of people who have the game so Warzone games are very hard to start if at all. At least that's what streamers have been saying.
Yes, color is one thing that's completely missing! It's the one thing that Destiny and COD maps get very well.
I didn't mean to say that they actually designed the maps, but their influence was to make maps where there are 2 towers and 2 bases. Very boring, bluntly put.
Neither do I, but they took it literally in this case.
I should have elucidated and stated that the pros had an influence on the design aspects. Like I said earlier, I really liked that Bungie made their games without caring what MLG thought.
DarthWalden
Banned
Valid complaints about the art direction. The two warzone maps we've seen do a much better job in this regard I think
Hopefully the BTB stuff do too.. I love the arena stuff but sometimes I just want to drive around in a warthog and murder dudes.
Hopefully the BTB stuff do too.. I love the arena stuff but sometimes I just want to drive around in a warthog and murder dudes.
link1201
Member
Press/youtubers, etc special access.
Giriath_89
Member
Okay, I'm jelly. I love getting in on things early.
PetulantChild
Banned
There's no Valhalla/Blood Gulch in the package that we know of. Might ship with BTB but who knows.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Wow. Menus look fast. I like.
WordsintheWater
Member
All they had to do was bring in the aesthetic's of the warzone maps on at least 2 of the Arena maps. I don't understand why they chose so many samey looking maps.
Don't believe so, but I hope I'm wrong.
Because it's not fair if Blue team spawns with a waterfall and Red team gets a sunset!
DarthWalden
Banned
I'm guessing because it's tough to bring a big open outdoorsy space into a small arena map aesthetically.
Can you think of a small tightly designed arena map that had that outdoorsy feel? A few of the maps in H2A fit this bill.
They need walls and borders to close the player in and keep the action flowing and that's difficult to do
PetulantChild
Banned
They already did it with Regret though. And it's not like maps in prior games like Highground were really so large that they wouldn't work in Halo 5, especially with the new movement mechanics.
Beaver Creek and Lockout were good maps for competitive play.
If they can't give me nature, at least provide more color.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
So how is it looking guys? Can't watch these streams, downloading the game right now and my speed isn't too amazing.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
The art direction on these maps just is so.. boring. And repetitive.
That out of the way, I can't wait to play.
That out of the way, I can't wait to play.
WordsintheWater
Member
Beaver Creek, Lockout, Warlock, Sanctuary and even maps like Ivory Tower had better aesthetics then any of these maps. They had a unique look to them, these have the same look.
Yup, and that's the issue.
Twilight Gap
Member
Warzone till December.
Lot of running and hiding on these maps.
Lot of running and hiding on these maps.
I was being facetious, but 343 pros probably thought was a real problem lol.
I think BTB should be fun for that classic Halo feel. Want love the new Halo so badly, but these Arena maps are quite off-putting.
Twilight Gap
Member
I have a feeling we wont see BTB till next year.
The Jackdog
Member
you joke, but ive heard nonsense like this
That would be a travesty, but I'll still be playing Destiny.
Yep, it's a shame that 343 apparently listened to those complaints for arena map.
WordsintheWater
Member
Well yeah haha I'm pretty sure that came into play though. They need to find a way to change the aesthetics and keep it even. I mean Plaza and Empire have the same background of the city.
Next year is less than three months ahead, wait wont be long.
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
I can't respond to every post or question brah.
You're going to be pleasantly surprised then..
Illusive_Juan
Member
Do we know what Multiplayer Maps are available at launch? Like how many there are and what they are called?
It doesn't change anything if one team has a sunset and the other a waterfall. It's all aesthetic. Pro teams need to stop being babies about everything.
It's funny that the best competitive Halo matches took place when Bungie didn't care about making the game pro compatible.
Yeah, but it's just a shame to see you responding to trolls that don't even care about Halo. I have every single Halo game ever released and want to see this franchise grow. Would be curious to hear why all of the arena maps are so sterile.
Twilight Gap
Member
Demoncarnotaur
Member
The entire UNSC aesthetic is just not doing it for me at all. Whatever happened the to the variety of looks and styles across maps? In this it's basically just different layouts and skyboxes, but made from the same materials.
PetulantChild
Banned
If we make it trollish enough will you answer? Why so many poopy human maps you poophead?
No it wasn't. We consult and test with pro gamers and casuals and even BKs.