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[RobbieNick]

There's a character, I think it's in the newer comics, that seems like it could be her. It's a female Imperial officer, I think? Somewhat resembles Christie.

Is it Sloane from the novels?

 

[Slackbladder]

I don't like that the baddie (what's their name?) is basically Darth Vader V.2. Helmet? Check? Black costume? Check. Synthesized voice? Check. I mean really? Isn't that just a bit weak and well, lazy?

 

[Forkball]

Okay, so even with me seeing all 6 films in order, I am not that into the series, so I might have missed something, but in this trailer we clearly see Captain Phasma. Now, has she been in any canon works at all, or is this film the debut of the character? Keep hearing mixed things, yet don't wanna spoil myself.

It's Boba Fett's daughter. /Lucas

 

[shira]

It's Boba Fett's daughter. /Lucas

I still think Finn is Lando and Leia's kid

 

[Toxi]

I don't like that the baddie (what's their name?) is basically Darth Vader V.2. Helmet? Check? Black costume? Check. Synthesized voice? Check. I mean really? Isn't that just a bit weak and well, lazy?

Kylo Ren is a Darth Vader fanboy and he wants to enact what he thinks was Vader's vision ("I will finish what you started"). Kylo dresses in a similar manner and has a similar voice modulator because he wants to be like his idol.

Great avatar, Toxi. Very festive.

Oooooooooo I'm a ghost now

Oooooooooooooooo

 

[Epcott]

It's actually the opposite. Palpatine was beloved by the (core world) galactic population and held up as the "bravest man in the galaxy". Most people who never saw his real face (since propaganda videos showed him looking like he did pre-meltyface) believed he was a nice guy, a brilliant elderly statesman who guided the Republic through its darkest times but who became somewhat reclusive as emperor and was possibly being influenced by the Imperial Ruling Council. In other words, they thought of him as the grandfatherly figure who everyone could rally around a figurehead. By contrast, Vader was a mysterious figure who most people didn't even know about for years because once you saw him you were dead. He was known within the military and government but was outside the bounds of regular hierarchy as Palpatine's hitman and nobody knew what to make of him - whether he was a former Jedi, some sort of war machine like General Grievous, a droid, or what. He didn't assume a more public persona until resistance started to ramp up closer to the time of the Rebels tv series, around which point he becomes a prominent figure carrying out "pacifications" like the massacre on Kashyyyk.

We don't know if the First Order is obsessed with Vader. We know that Kylo Ren is. That's because Kylo Ren is Force sensitive and would obviously idolize Vader, who was openly Force sensitive, and not Palpatine, who was secretly Force sensitive.


What? This is like the one good part of the duel.

I swear, people complain about literally everything in the prequels, even when they do something right.

Where are you getting this "Grandfatherly figure" idea from?

Maybe he tried to paint himself as victim by the end of ROTS, but by ANH and Rebels, isn't the Empire, and himself by extension, seen as more tyrannical than anything? Most especially after swatting Alderaan from the system. I gather by Aftermath

Spoiler

only the aristocrats and corrupt officials liked him.

Hell, there's even a rumor (possible TFA spoilers)

Spoiler

Snoke is able to rise due to the support of ex-officials who felt smothered under Palpatine's rule.

But hey, maybe I missed something.

Is it Sloane from the novels?

Sloane is a brown lady, unless they're doing a reverse Darth Vader. But why would a previous Admiral become a Captain of the First Order? Plus she'd be as old as Ben Kenobi.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I just lost to a motherfucker calling himself Kylo Ren in the Street Fighter V beta.

I REALLY don't like this frontin-ass emo kid with the voice changer now.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I don't like that the baddie (what's their name?) is basically Darth Vader V.2. Helmet? Check? Black costume? Check. Synthesized voice? Check. I mean really? Isn't that just a bit weak and well, lazy?

That's the point, Kylo is a Sith weeaboo.

 

[BFIB]

I just lost to a motherfucker calling himself Kylo Ren in the Street Fighter V beta.

I REALLY don't like this frontin-ass emo kid with the voice changer now.

He will finish.

What you started.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I got in my own head. "I better not lose to Kylo fucking REN, of all the people I take an L from tonight."

Of course he was playing Ken, too.

 

[sphagnum]

Where are you getting this "Grandfatherly figure" idea from?

Maybe he tried to paint himself as victim by the end of ROTS, but by ANH and Rebels, isn't the Empire, and himself by extension, seen as more tyrannical than anything? Most especially after swatting Alderaan from the system. I gather by Aftermath

Spoiler

only the aristocrats and corrupt officials liked him.

Hell, there's even a rumor (possible TFA spoilers)

Spoiler

Snoke is able to rise due to the support of ex-officials who felt smothered under Palpatine's rule.

But hey, maybe I missed something.

The Empire is seen as tyrannical by the people fighting against it, not by the loyalists who view it as the savior of the galaxy from separatism and chaos.

The Tarkin novel talks about how the public thinks Palpatine is somewhat aloof and the IRC is the one in control, while Lost Stars has bits about Imperial propaganda scattered throughout. There's also information scattered all throughout the Servants of the Empire series about how the public thinks about the Empire and Palpatine. In LS, During Jelucan's induction-into-the-Empire ceremony, holo-images of Palpatine are all over the place but they utilize his pre-scarring appearance, which is also what is shown on screen for Empire Day in Rebels. Ciena Ree is shocked when she sees Palpatine disembark on the Death Star II and witnesses his face. The Vader stuff comes from stuff Dave Filoni has talked about, Heir to the Jedi, Tarkin, LotS, and The Princess, The Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy.

The young adult novels are very much worth reading.

Sloane is a brown lady, unless they're doing a reverse Darth Vader. But why would a previous Admiral become a Captain of the First Order? Plus she'd be as old as Ben Kenobi.

Yeah, Sloane and Phasma have nothing to do with each other. Phasma's an entirely new character.

 

[CD'S BAR]

That's the point, Kylo is a Sith weeaboo.

I don't have a problem with it personally, but I see his point. They could've written the villain to be someone who doesn't want to be a clone of Vader, so that the villain wouldn't be a clone of Vader.

 

[Toxi]

The Tarkin novel talks about how the public thinks Palpatine is somewhat aloof and the IRC is the one in control, while Lost Stars has bits about Imperial propaganda scattered throughout. There's also information scattered all throughout the Servants of the Empire series about how the public thinks about the Empire and Palpatine. In LS, During Jelucan's induction-into-the-Empire ceremony, holo-images of Palpatine are all over the place but they utilize his pre-scarring appearance, which is also what is shown on screen for Empire Day in Rebels. Ciena Ree is shocked when she sees Palpatine disembark on the Death Star II and witnesses his face. The Vader stuff comes from stuff Dave Filoni has talked about, Heir to the Jedi, Tarkin, LotS, and The Princess, The Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy.

Forgot about this, but it's true.

I don't have a problem with it personally, but I see his point. They could've written the villain to be someone who doesn't want to be a clone of Vader, so that the villain wouldn't be a clone of Vader.

It all depends on execution.

I do think his visual design is a bit "rent-a-Sith" though.

 

[Sharpeye]

It would be funny if a real Sith shows up out of no where and just rekts Kylo and shows him what a real sith is.

Spoiler

Mauls not canonically dead yet! they can use him. lol

 

[Epcott]

The Empire is seen as tyrannical by the people fighting against it, not by the loyalists who view it as the savior of the galaxy from separatism and chaos.

The Tarkin novel talks about how the public thinks Palpatine is somewhat aloof and the IRC is the one in control, while Lost Stars has bits about Imperial propaganda scattered throughout. There's also information scattered all throughout the Servants of the Empire series about how the public thinks about the Empire and Palpatine. In LS, During Jelucan's induction-into-the-Empire ceremony, holo-images of Palpatine are all over the place but they utilize his pre-scarring appearance, which is also what is shown on screen for Empire Day in Rebels. Ciena Ree is shocked when she sees Palpatine disembark on the Death Star II and witnesses his face. The Vader stuff comes from stuff Dave Filoni has talked about, Heir to the Jedi, Tarkin, and The Princess, The Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy.

The young adult novels are very much worth reading.



Yeah, Sloane and Phasma have nothing to do with each other. Phasma's an entirely new character.

I've been meaning to pick up Tarkin to get more insight into the Empire. Is it still canon, or Legends now?

I may also get into the young adult books once they consolidate them into a collection.

 

[Sectorseven]

Forgot about this, but it's true.

It all depends on execution.

I do think his visual design is a bit "rent-a-Sith" though.

Is...is that a stock ticker? Do Stormtroopers get 401Ks?

 

[Epcott]

Spoiler

Mauls not canonically dead yet! they can use him. lol

Spoiler

LOL he's probably a gonner by the end of Rebels.

 

[sc0la]

It's like poetry. It rhymes.

My friend and I use this line all the time. never gets old

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It would be funny if a real Sith shows up out of no where and just rekts Kylo and shows him what a real sith is.

Spoiler

Mauls not canonically dead yet! they can use him. lol

Maul's not a sith anymore, either.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

It'll be pretty cool if Kylo Ren has a personal crisis by the end of the movie. Like, they finally find Luke and he's all like "Dude my father died sacrificing himself to defeat the Dark Side", which of course Ren wouldn't know and that would make him question his fanboyism.

Would be nice to track a character's reform over the course of a trilogy rather than their downfall.

 

[Toxi]

Is...is that a stock ticker? Do Stormtroopers get 401Ks?

Nah, that's just the news on holonet.

But Stormtroopers do get 401Ks.

It'll be pretty cool if Kylo Ren has a personal crisis by the end of the movie. Like, they finally find Luke and he's all like "Dude my father died sacrificing himself to defeat the Dark Side", which of course Ren wouldn't know and that would make him question his fanboyism.

Would be nice to track a character's reform over the course of a trilogy rather than their downfall.

I have no idea why I never thought of this. It would be a great progression for the character and would actually do something different from previous movies; yeah, Vader had a redemption story, but it was contained within a third of a movie.

 

[Dead Man]

It'll be pretty cool if Kylo Ren has a personal crisis by the end of the movie. Like, they finally find Luke and he's all like "Dude my father died sacrificing himself to defeat the Dark Side", which of course Ren wouldn't know and that would make him question his fanboyism.

Would be nice to track a character's reform over the course of a trilogy rather than their downfall.

They kind of did that already. Not that it's a bad idea though.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

They kind of did that already. Not that it's a bad idea though.

Yeah with Vader, but only in the last 10 minutes or so of ROTJ.

 

[BocoDragon]

It'll be pretty cool if Kylo Ren has a personal crisis by the end of the movie. Like, they finally find Luke and he's all like "Dude my father died sacrificing himself to defeat the Dark Side", which of course Ren wouldn't know and that would make him question his fanboyism.

Would be nice to track a character's reform over the course of a trilogy rather than their downfall.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kylo and/or First Order switch allegiances in future films of the trilogy.

Someone's got to take down the evil Yuuzan Vong leader played by Benicio Del Toro

 

[UnforgivenTwin]

It's actually the opposite. Palpatine was beloved by the (core world) galactic population and held up as the "bravest man in the galaxy". Most people who never saw his real face (since propaganda videos showed him looking like he did pre-meltyface) believed he was a nice guy, a brilliant elderly statesman who guided the Republic through its darkest times but who became somewhat reclusive as emperor and was possibly being influenced by the Imperial Ruling Council. In other words, they thought of him as the grandfatherly figure who everyone could rally around a figurehead. By contrast, Vader was a mysterious figure who most people didn't even know about for years because once you saw him you were dead. He was known within the military and government but was outside the bounds of regular hierarchy as Palpatine's hitman and nobody knew what to make of him - whether he was a former Jedi, some sort of war machine like General Grievous, a droid, or what. He didn't assume a more public persona until resistance started to ramp up closer to the time of the Rebels tv series, around which point he becomes a prominent figure carrying out "pacifications" like the massacre on Kashyyyk.

We don't know if the First Order is obsessed with Vader. We know that Kylo Ren is. That's because Kylo Ren is Force sensitive and would obviously idolize Vader, who was openly Force sensitive, and not Palpatine, who was secretly Force sensitive.


What? This is like the one good part of the duel.

I swear, people complain about literally everything in the prequels, even when they do something right.

They don't even look like they are striking each other's blades. Look at Christopher Lee just swing it around his head.

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

I know a vast amount of the people excited for this movie really want to pretend everything outside the the OT didn't happen, and that the EU was 100% garbage, and all that, but I personally can't help but feel it's a huge waste to just jettison everything to ape the OT and pander as hard as they seem to be doing. And I know it's still only the first movie, so there's plenty of time for them to change things up and not just be an OT rehash.

I feel like this new trilogy could've/should've been a celebration of all things Star Wars, not just three movies out of a vast history of material. Imagine a movie trilogy where you have a reimagined Thrawn leading Empire remnants, and Darth Maul coming out of hiding and taking his place as the head dark side user, perhaps as Kylo Ren's master, blowing the minds of the many Star Wars fans who didn't bother with the Clone Wars. And with the obvious fact that it's a sequel to the OT featuring a bunch of OT characters, you'd have it as a kickass story featuring OT elements, PT elements, and EU elements, plus new heroes and villains.

It just reeks of Pokemon style, "I'm a huge Pokemon fan, but only Red, Blue, Yellow, the other 98% of the franchise is garbage" thinking.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I know a vast amount of the people excited for this movie really want to pretend everything outside the the OT didn't happen

I don't think this is true at all.

I personally can't help but feel it's a huge waste to just jettison everything to ape the OT and pander as hard as they seem to be doing.

That's not what's happening, either.

I feel like this new trilogy could've/should've been a celebration of all things Star Wars, not just three movies out of a vast history of material.

You haven't even seen the first movie yet, much less watched the two movies that come afterwards.

It just reeks of Pokemon style, "I'm a huge Pokemon fan, but only Red, Blue, Yellow, the other 98% of the franchise is garbage" thinking.

No it doesn't. That's a terrible comparison.

 

[Fj0823]

I know a vast amount of the people excited for this movie really want to pretend everything outside the the OT didn't happen, and that the EU was 100% garbage, and all that, but I personally can't help but feel it's a huge waste to just jettison everything to ape the OT and pander as hard as they seem to be doing. And I know it's still only the first movie, so there's plenty of time for them to change things up and not just be an OT rehash.

I feel like this new trilogy could've/should've been a celebration of all things Star Wars, not just three movies out of a vast history of material. Imagine a movie trilogy where you have a reimagined Thrawn leading Empire remnants, and Darth Maul coming out of hiding and taking his place as the head dark side user, perhaps as Kylo Ren's master, blowing the minds of the many Star Wars fans who didn't bother with the Clone Wars. And with the obvious fact that it's a sequel to the OT featuring a bunch of OT characters, you'd have it as a kickass story featuring OT elements, PT elements, and EU elements, plus new heroes and villains.

It just reeks of Pokemon style, "I'm a huge Pokemon, but only Red, Blue, Yellow, the other 98% of the franchise is garbage" thinking.

Nope. It's just bad when you have to watch a bunch of series and comics to understand a new movie.
Can they be referenced? Sure. But requiring normal people to watch 115 episodes of the clone wars, read son of Dathomir, and watch 40+ episodes of Star Wars Rebels to understand the new movie?.....yeah, not gonna happen. Films must be accessible to everyone.

Right now, no matter how HARD fanboys are trying to delude themselves into thinking that Lucasfilm is focusing ENTIRELY on the original trilogy alone. The fact is that in reality they are doing their damnest to tie everything together. (Just read "Journey to the Force Awakens: Shattered Empire" all 3 trilogies coming together amazingly in that short story). Even the trailers for 7 had some small prequel callouts. (The Pod Racer Engine and Pod Racer Flags)

But making the movie completely inaccessible to kids and regular movie goers? Yeah that's franchise suicide.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I feel like the movie needs to have it's own identity rather than just be an amalgamation of EVERYTHING ever related to Stat Wars. If its going to reference any part of Star Wars history, might as well be the OT.

The EU is incredibly bloated and questionable, the prequel side is mostly awful, why wouldn't they go back to the simplistic roots?

 

[BocoDragon]

I know a vast amount of the people excited for this movie really want to pretend everything outside the the OT didn't happen, and that the EU was 100% garbage, and all that, but I personally can't help but feel it's a huge waste to just jettison everything to ape the OT and pander as hard as they seem to be doing. And I know it's still only the first movie, so there's plenty of time for them to change things up and not just be an OT rehash.

I feel like this new trilogy could've/should've been a celebration of all things Star Wars, not just three movies out of a vast history of material. Imagine a movie trilogy where you have a reimagined Thrawn leading Empire remnants, and Darth Maul coming out of hiding and taking his place as the head dark side user, perhaps as Kylo Ren's master, blowing the minds of the many Star Wars fans who didn't bother with the Clone Wars. And with the obvious fact that it's a sequel to the OT featuring a bunch of OT characters, you'd have it as a kickass story featuring OT elements, PT elements, and EU elements, plus new heroes and villains.

It just reeks of Pokemon style, "I'm a huge Pokemon fan, but only Red, Blue, Yellow, the other 98% of the franchise is garbage" thinking.

If what you were saying were the case, I wouldn't be excited for this movie at all.

I want them to honestly step back and say "what would logically happen after ROTJ" and make the best and most cohesive story that can be. I don't want them to be constrained by the haphazard free-for-all that was the EU (especially in its first decade).

If we already know Han and Leia get married and have 3 kids, the New Republic takes over, Luke starts a Jedi Academy, he hooks up with Mara Jade... nope, there is no mystery there, and I'm bored. It becomes an insular product for continuity obsessed geeks.

And in general, the EU completely lost the whimsical family adventure aspect that is onscreen in every film (even the prequels!) It became for a fan that takes Star Wars too seriously as an extended universe back with a million laborious events, obsessed with all the political and military details, and reaching for "darkness" at every chance. And it doesn't allow for the fact that every Star Wars movie is Pop Adventure... very unlike the tone of where the EU led things.

Plus there is the simple fact that 99.9% percent of the movie-going audience doesn't know any of this stuff, and being slavish to it will only distance them.

Sorry EU fans, but it's clear why Disney cut it loose, and I'm very glad about it. It's why I am like a kid right now, dying to know "what happens next". If what happens next was in 100 novels..... no, I wouldn't care one bit.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Nicely put BocoDragon. It's like people who just assume Marvel are going to copy the comics verbatim for films like Civil War. We know what happens in that! What's the point!?

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

It's a little unfair to label this movie as pandering to OT fans and say it's "ignoring" the prequels, IMO. It's a sequel to Episode VI.

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

If what you were saying were the case, I wouldn't be excited for this movie at all.

I want them to honestly step back and say "what would logically happen after ROTJ" and make the best and most cohesive story that can be. I don't want them to be constrained by the haphazard free-for-all that was the EU (especially in its first decade).

If we already know Han and Leia get married and have 3 kids, the New Republic takes over, Luke starts a Jedi Academy, he hooks up with Mara Jade... nope, there is no mystery there, and I'm bored. It becomes an insular product for continuity obsessed geeks.

And in general, the EU completely lost the whimsical family adventure aspect that is onscreen in every film (even the prequels!) It became for a fan that takes Star Wars too seriously as a universe, obsessed with all the political and military details and reaching for "darkness" at every chance, and doesn't allow for the fact that every Star Wars movie is Pop Adventure.

Plus there is the simple fact that 99.9% percent of the movie-going audience doesn't know any of this stuff, and being slavish to it will only distance them.

Sorry EU fans, but it's clear why Disney cut it loose, and I'm very glad about it. It's why I am like a kid right now, dying to know "what happens next". If what happens next was in 100 novels..... no, I wouldn't care one bit.

I wasn't saying "adapt the EU", I was saying to use beloved elements of it. Thrawn is a very well-liked character from some of the only books that just about everyone agrees are at least decent. He's a new character to everyone else and could be introduced as such.

The decision to have the series from now on ignore the EU was something that had to happen. There was no possible way to make a movie and have it navigate the massive EU without trampling on its toes and being unintelligible to casual fans.

 

[Branduil]

Kylo Ren is basically a chuunibyou, right? It's just that the force happens to be real...

I bet he names all of his attacks and writes them down using obscure Sithian kanji that no one has ever heard of.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

It's a little unfair to label this movie as pandering to OT fans and say it's "ignoring" the prequels, IMO. It's a sequel to Episode VI.

I do think they will cherry pick the prequels. It's just hard to think of the cherries...

 

[BocoDragon]

I wasn't saying "adapt the EU", I was saying to use beloved elements of it. Thrawn is a very well-liked character from some of the only books that just about everyone agrees are at least decent. He's a new character to everyone else and could be introduced as such.

The decision to have the series from now on ignore the EU was something that had to happen. There was no possible way to make a movie and have it navigate the massive EU without trampling on its toes and being unintelligible to casual fans.

I'm glad you recognize the latter.

In a way they are seemingly incorporating elements from the EU. TFA apparently begins after a New Republic was tried, and failed to take hold. The fact that they even say the words "New Republic" means they have incorporated some piece of it.

It kind of looks like TFA begins after an EU-lite post-ROTJ world. Maybe Thrawn does exist, for all we know? But in TFA's era, it'd be long after his time.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

I do think they will cherry pick the prequels. It's just hard to think of the cherries...

Mentions of the Jedi Temple of Coruscant, and other things like that wouldn't surprise me.

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

It's a little unfair to label this movie as pandering to OT fans and say it's "ignoring" the prequels, IMO. It's a sequel to Episode VI.

It's not all pandering, I know that. Obviously it'd have to tie into the OT the most, but then you have what seems to be Death Star 3.0, Kylo Ren being a Vader fanboy, and other junk.

I dunno, it's entirely possible that seeing people constantly shit on everything outside the OT is just souring me on these movies and making it seem like it's pandering more than it really is.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

It's not all pandering, I know that. Obviously it'd have to tie into the OT the most, but then you have what seems to be Death Star 3.0, Kylo Ren being a Vader fanboy, and other junk.

I dunno, it's entirely possible that seeing people constantly shit on everything outside the OT is just souring me on these movies and making it seem like it's pandering more than it really is.

The whole Vader fanboy could be an interesting plot point. It's not just like they happen to have a similar antagonist for the hell of it. It links in.

 

[BocoDragon]

It's not all pandering, I know that. Obviously it'd have to tie into the OT the most, but then you have what seems to be Death Star 3.0, Kylo Ren being a Vader fanboy, and other junk.

I dunno, it's entirely possible that seeing people constantly shit on everything outside the OT constantly is just souring me on these movies and making it seem like it's pandering more than it really is.

I dunno. I'd actually agree that it is very consciously modelling itself on the OT... to a degree that a sequel normally wouldn't have if the Prequels hadn't diminished faith in the brand, or if another company hadn't bought the rights and demand that their investment bears the maximum amount of fruit.

This film, in particular, is very consciously mimicking the OT as an attempt to reclaim the magic. They are consciously rehabilitating the brand by doing so. I would imagine the sequels will be more of their own thing.

I think the Vader fanboy thing makes sense to me, for a mainline episode. Central entries in the SW mythos should play on and extend the core Skywalker conflict. I think it only seems unusual because the EU was constantly forbidden from touching the central conflict, always having to play in the corners of the universe...

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

I'm glad you recognize the latter.

In a way they are seemingly incorporating elements from the EU. TFA apparently begins after a New Republic was tried, and failed to take hold. The fact that they even say the words "New Republic" means they have incorporated some piece of it.

It kind of looks like TFA begins after an EU-lite post-ROTJ world. Maybe Thrawn does exist, for all we know? But in TFA's era, it'd be long after his time.

But with the EU gone, they can pick pieces they or the fans like, the old timeline doesn't count anymore. Thrawn could be introduced as an up and coming Commander, as cool secondary villain, like Count Dooku but done better.

I haven't read any of the books by the way, I've really only played some SW video games, but it really feels like a waste to not pick some of the cool elements of the EU and PT and mix them into a big new story. Give Maul a second chance for the mass audience, make Thrawn a more memorable Tarkin, etc.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

If they're abandoning the characters context why even use the character?

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

If they're abandoning the characters context why even use the character?

Because he's a cool character and it would make a whole lot of fans happy? It would be fun? The character could easily exist without the same exact events surrounding him.

 

[Fj0823]

Because he's a cool character and it would make a whole lot of fans happy? It would be fun? The character could easily exist without the same exact events surrounding him.

So like what they do in the clone wars and rebels?

 

[BocoDragon]

But with the EU gone, they can pick pieces they or the fans like, the old timeline doesn't count anymore. Thrawn could be introduced as an up and coming Commander, as cool secondary villain, like Count Dooku but done better.

But then you're just using his character design? And I don't think it's all that unique (he's a blue dude). And you know Disney could make something even better that is brand new.

Thrawn is Thrawn because he's an Imperial Admiral coming back from a faraway mission shortly after the defeat at Endor and saying "what's all this then? Defeat? Not on my watch", so his character actually is rooted in being immediately after ROTJ.

Otherwise I don't see why'd you bother salvaging any of him.

If the idea is that they should take inspiration from EU, well, I'm sure they are, and I see some of it in this movie already. But it's almost as if you are advocating them shoehorning in hard EU facts into the new movies (even if they are in new contexts) and I don't think that's necessary. It's an unnecessary constraint that wouldn't satisfy EU lovers anyway.

 

[Toxi]

I feel like the movie needs to have it's own identity rather than just be an amalgamation of EVERYTHING ever related to Stat Wars. If its going to reference any part of Star Wars history, might as well be the OT.

The EU is incredibly bloated and questionable, the prequel side is mostly awful, why wouldn't they go back to the simplistic roots?

I'm actually a bit worried about the movie not forging its own identity. Star Trek Into Darkness, JJ Abrams' last big budget science fiction movie, relied so much on aping elements from previous Star Trek media that the movie suffered for it. I was actually groaning when the movie ripped off the radiation death scene from The Wrath of Khan.

But until The Force Awakens comes out, it's impossible to know if it will sink or swim on its own merits.

 

[BocoDragon]

I'm actually a bit worried about the movie not forging its own identity. Star Trek Into Darkness, JJ Abrams' last big budget science fiction movie, relied so much on aping elements from previous Star Trek media that the movie suffered for it.

But until the movie comes out, it's impossible to know if it will sink or swim on its own merits.

The good thing is, the necessity to incorporate new heroes for a new generation may be the element that will guide the movie to its own identity.

I've never seen any scene in Star Wars anything like someone exploring a long-ruined Star Destroyer, for example.....

Star Trek, on the other hand, is a re-tread of the original Star Trek series by design.

 

[phoenix296]

Every time I see this thread I watch the trailer. I have a problem.

 

[BocoDragon]

Every time I see this thread I watch the trailer. I have a problem.

I hear ya! haha

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

So like what they do in the clone wars and rebels?

I'm honestly not familiar enough with Clone Wars and Rebels to answer that question. Just started watching Clone Wars and intend to go through Rebels afterwards. I know pieces of what Clone Wars did (specifically bringing back Darth Maul and turning him into an actual character), but not much besides that. Last I checked Maul was still alive. Crossing my fingers that he doesn't get offed in some comic or book.