Microsoft Surface Pro 4 announced: "better in nearly every way" (The Verge)

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mrklaw said:
Thanks. Disappointing but expected. I can forgive not providing the m3 as MS will want to encourage most people to see the i5 as the base model to make more money. But you'd think they would provide the i7 as quite a few people may consider the increase in cost if the iris graphics are enough of a jump.
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They provided i5 and i7 Surface Books, it's just that the i7's with Iris (used in the SP4) aren't being shipped out until December.
 
My Surface Pro 4 shipped!

Did anybody buy Microsoft Complete warranty? I didn't but I'm wondering if I should bring the Surface to a Microsoft store so I can add the warranty
 
Aruarian Reflection said:
My Surface Pro 4 shipped!

Did anybody buy Microsoft Complete warranty? I didn't but I'm wondering if I should bring the Surface to a Microsoft store so I can add the warranty
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I got it for my SP3 - it's definitely worth the cost.

muu said:
Camera w/ OneNote is pretty nice. I was at a conference for work last month, one guy I talked extensively w/ used an ipad air for most of his note taking using Onenote. Snap pictures of important slides, immediately capture some notes after. Looked like a pretty good process and something I'd like to implement w/ SP4 once I get it.
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This. I really was hoping for a one-step solution for all my various computing notes with the SP3. The terrible cameras were the only thing that didn't meet my needs and expectations. I'll wait for more reviews before I pick up an SP4, and I'm very interested in seeing any that focus on document capture.
 
DrPizza said:
If I owned an SP3 I'd buy the new fingerprint keyboard as an upgrade. I know it's not cheap, but it's a big improvement. At the very least, I'd seriously recommend going to a Microsoft Store if you have one available to try it out.

Depending on your pen usage, the new pen might be worth picking up too.
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This is good advice. The new keyboard is worth it. The fingerprint reader is icing on the cake.
 
You think Best Buy (or what other store sells it-no Microsoft store near me) will have the new type covers easily available on launch day? Amazon is sold out until the 31st for Black.
Edit: hm forgot the student discount applies on it. I'll just pre-order online from the MS store. Hopefully shipping is fast.
 
I changed my SP4 to 16GB RAM the day after preorders went up, but mine is still supposed to ship by 26th. Was hoping it'd still arrive then but not looking good. Have been charged for a Band 2 and my type cover, but no SP4 yet.
 
Seeing how Microsoft added a new "lower-end" Surface Book SKU, I wish they'd also give in on the Pro 4 and add an i5/128GB/8GB SKU. The jump from 1099 for the i5/4GB to 1449 for the i5/8GB is ridiculous.

i5, 128GB SSD, 8 GB RAM, 1299.
That needs to happen.
 
I'm now determined to sell my MBP and get one of these.
The iPad pro and new Apple TV was the final push for me, I can get s surface pro and Xbox one and do so much more for less money.
 
brotkasten said:
Seeing how Microsoft added a new "lower-end" Surface Book SKU, I wish they'd also give in on the Pro 4 and add an i5/128GB/8GB SKU. The jump from 1099 for the i5/4GB to 1449 for the i5/8GB is ridiculous.

i5, 128GB SSD, 8 GB RAM, 1299.
That needs to happen.
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Agreed. But I don't think it will happen. It's like 32GB iPhone...
 
brotkasten said:
Seeing how Microsoft added a new "lower-end" Surface Book SKU, I wish they'd also give in on the Pro 4 and add an i5/128GB/8GB SKU. The jump from 1099 for the i5/4GB to 1449 for the i5/8GB is ridiculous.

i5, 128GB SSD, 8 GB RAM, 1299.
That needs to happen.
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Yeah, that would probably be the sweet spot for me. 4gb of ram is just too little for 2015 but the price of the 8gb/256gb makes me cringe (one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine Australian dollars/kaz voice).

That being said, I may still throw all finicial reasonability out the window and just go all in on an i7 model. I'll wait for some proper gaming benchmarks to see if it's worth the price delta.
 
Is that i7 really not coming until December? I want to wait for its benchmarks too, but ughh.. That's a long wait.
 
brotkasten said:
Seeing how Microsoft added a new "lower-end" Surface Book SKU, I wish they'd also give in on the Pro 4 and add an i5/128GB/8GB SKU. The jump from 1099 for the i5/4GB to 1449 for the i5/8GB is ridiculous.

i5, 128GB SSD, 8 GB RAM, 1299.
That needs to happen.
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Agreed if I ever wanted more space I could add a 128Gb Micro SD, the price jump (AU) is insane.
 
Yaari said:
Is that i7 really not coming until December? I want to wait for its benchmarks too, but ughh.. That's a long wait.
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Yeah, the wait will be long. Thankfully, for me in the sothern hemispere, it will be summer holidays anyway, so I won't actually "need" it until march. Makes it slightly easier to be patient.
 
MS has overnighted my type cover, but they haven't even charged me for the SP4 yet. I ordered the day after it went live (7th I think), i5/16/256 config.

The SP4 is supposed to ship by Monday.. we'll see but it's not looking good.
 
So apparently it can run crysis. II it's know silly metric but it is a testimate to how good the new cooling system is. I wish their were more gaming videos on it. I'll probably never even install Minecraft on one but I find them neat.
 
Weevilone said:
MS has overnighted my type cover, but they haven't even charged me for the SP4 yet. I ordered the day after it went live (7th I think), i5/16/256 config.

The SP4 is supposed to ship by Monday.. we'll see but it's not looking good.
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I'm in the same boat. Keyboard and docking station shipped Friday but nothing for the surface pro itself. Hmm and I ordered the same config. Oh dear.
 
Anton Sugar said:
wut

Magnetic attachment for the pen is brand new. SP3 came a pen loop that you basically stuck to your Type Cover.
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Sp3 has a magnetized pen that you can stick to the side as well. The magnet isnt very strong, so it doesnt feel very secure. I hope they made it much stronger for the sp4.
 
Supervlieg said:
Sp3 has a magnetized pen that you can stick to the side as well. The magnet isnt very strong, so it doesnt feel very secure. I hope they made it much stronger for the sp4.
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Its much stronger for the SP4, and the side is flat as well so there is better contact.
 
Im finally upgrading my Surface Pro 1 to the 4. Ive never held out so long between upgrade cycles but this one is long overdue. My questions for anyone willing to answer.
1. Is 4GB ram going to continue to be OK for basic computing and office?
2. the new ssd supposedly reads at 1000-1500MB/sec. Will this mean the i5 CPU or 4GB ram could become the system bottlenecks?I just wondee whether buying the 8GB model might make sense however that takes it to surface book territory.
3. I got around 2.5hr of battery life out of my gen 1 browsing the web. I'd like the Pro 4 to be closer to the 7.5-8hr battery. My ipads all gave me 10+hrs in the same scenario.
4. Does anyone use their pen to draw? i used mine as a mouse mainly.
 
PaRappa said:
Im finally upgrading my Surface Pro 1 to the 4. Ive never held out so long between upgrade cycles but this one is long overdue. My questions for anyone willing to answer.
1. Is 4GB ram going to continue to be OK for basic computing and office?
2. the new ssd supposedly reads at 1000-1500MB/sec. Will this mean the i5 CPU or 4GB ram could become the system bottlenecks?I just wondee whether buying the 8GB model might make sense however that takes it to surface book territory.
3. I got around 2.5hr of battery life out of my gen 1 browsing the web. I'd like the Pro 4 to be closer to the 7.5-8hr battery. My ipads all gave me 10+hrs in the same scenario.
4. Does anyone use their pen to draw? i used mine as a mouse mainly.
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Yes
No
7 to 8 hours are possible.
Yes, Pen plus Mischief = godlike
 
I was looking at some specs and realized how much wind MS took out of iPad Pro arrival with the m3 SP4. It's pretty amazing actually. I know it won't make one iota of difference for Apple diehards, but for many on the fence about an art tablet, the value proposition of the m3 SP4 just destroys the iPad Pro. For $1060 you can either get (pre tax):

SP4 with type cover, pen, m3 CPU, 4GB of RAM, 128GB SSD

OR

iPad Pro with smart keyboard, pen, A9X CPU, 4GB of RAM, 32GB SSD.

Some of my older or tech retarded artist friends, I'll still recommend getting iPad Pro, but if they need real Photoshop it's SP4 recommendation all the way if they are wanting to buy a premium branded tablet.
 
Shogmaster said:
I was looking at some specs and realized how much wind MS took out of iPad Pro arrival with the m3 SP4. It's pretty amazing actually. I know it won't make one iota of difference for Apple diehards, but for many on the fence about an art tablet, the value proposition of the m3 SP4 just destroys the iPad Pro. For $1060 you can either get (pre tax):

SP4 with type cover, pen, m3 CPU, 4GB of RAM, 128GB SSD

OR

iPad Pro with smart keyboard, pen, A9X CPU, 4GB of RAM, 32GB SSD.

Some of my older or tech retarded artist friends, I'll still recommend getting iPad Pro, but if they need real Photoshop it's SP4 recommendation all the way if they are wanting to buy a premium branded tablet.
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I'll get my m3 SP4 tomorrow. Can't wait to see what performance is like, but I have pretty lightweight needs with how I use Photoshop, so I think I'm gonna be fine.

have there been any kind of benchmarks for the SP4 m3 released that you know of?
 
Futureman said:
I'll get my m3 SP4 tomorrow. Can't wait to see what performance is like, but I have pretty lightweight needs with how I use Photoshop, so I think I'm gonna be fine.

have there been any kind of benchmarks for the SP4 m3 released that you know of?
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Look brah, I was doing fine with older Broadwell Core M tablet with slower SSD so you need not worry about your m3 SP4. It's plenty fast. You'll only feel slow doing extended demanding tasks like video processing or if your art projects goes beyond the 4GB of RAM and you start paging the SSD.
 
darkinstinct said:
Yes
No
7 to 8 hours are possible.
Yes, Pen plus Mischief = godlike
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I'd expect closer to 6 hrs. Battery is a little worse than pro 3 and that gets 6-7 for me.

More than enough for typical usage in my experience. Just nowhere near an iPad where you can forget to charge it for days and still be ok
 
I'm having a bit of a dilemma... I have a top of the line desktop with triple 27" monitors that I plan on using for any serious work, school, etc; thus I don't need to buy a main PC.

I want a companion device for reading, watching movies, browsing the web, and playing games on. However, I do also want to be able to do some work on it when I feel like lounging on the couch or if I'm away from home. Also, it's nice to have a backup Windows PC since it's always possible my main desktop could go down.

So my question is, how is the Surface Pro 4 as a tablet device? The main concerns I have with getting it are that there are few touch based "apps", so when I am out and about or reclining in the sofa it won't be very easy to use. Also, and tying into the above, if I do want to play games on the go I feel like I'd need either a controller or the keyboard due to the lack of touch based games, whereas an iPad or Android tablet would not have that problem.

I love the versatility of the SP4, but first and foremost I need something that can be a good tablet. So GAF, can the SP4 be a full-time tablet and backup computing device?
 
Cross-posting from Book thread:

Hello drivers are finally live!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9744/...etric-login-to-surface-pro-4-and-surface-book

I’ve used Windows Hello before with the Intel RealSense 3D camera, and the login process is very easy to set up. You just got into settings, choose Accounts, and then Sign-in options. You have to have a password set already, as well as a PIN. If you don’t have both of those set up, create those, and then you can set up Windows Hello. It will pop up a window and ask you to look into the camera and keep your head centered in the display, and that’s it. You can run through the setup a few more times as well to improve recognition if you’d like, and Microsoft recommends that if you wear glasses, perform the setup with your glasses on and off.

...

My only real concern was that the Microsoft system may not be as quick as what I have used previously with the Intel camera system, but that is not the case. The actual time to login to the desktop is much longer than the recognition, which is incredibly fast.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again here now. Windows Hello is one of those Wow moments in computing which are few and far between. It really feels like the future.
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Shogmaster said:
Ah... Yurop getting screwed again in consumer electronics...
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Well, it's not that bad, since VAT is included with all purchases, but it certainly used to be better (usually 1:1) and it doesn't change the fact that the jump from 1099 to 1449 is still pretty huge.

And thank you for your post about the m3 CPU. I'm still not sure if I should get the m3 or i5 version. It's a €100 difference that could go towards the type cover, but they seem to have fixed the cooling solution. So more power for just 100 bucks doesn't seem that bad of a deal, even if I'd rather have more RAM.

Also, there seems to be some noticeable pen lag that concerns me a little. Paul Thurrott mentioned it and it was clearly visible during the stage demo.
It would be great to get some impressions to see if it was a pre-production or driver issue.

e: Pen lag was also mentioned in the tested.com review.
 
Wonder if this has been undershipped in Canada? Or if stores just haven't received the SP4 yet.

None of the Best Buys around me appear to have received the SP4, and the website they're all on back order.

Edit: Seems no stores in Canada are showing stock yet. Hopefully Microsoft is just slow to shipping them up here and they'll arrive either later today or tomorrow.
 
Cyperport.de is selling all SKUs of the Surface Pro 4 + Type Cover of your choice for the MSRP, but are throwing in an additional JBL GO speaker that matches the TC color and a year of Office 365 Personal (Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, OneNote).

Not a bad deal, but sadly they don't ship to all EU countries.
Here's the list: https://www.cyberport.de/lieferung-eu

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https://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/2in1-notebook-tablet/microsoft

https://www.cyberport.de/surface-pr...al-plus-tc4-rot-plus-jbl--1H17-066_11155.html

Jeels said:
Looks like my pro should arrive today...will post impressions. :)
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Fantastic. I can't wait!
 
Ordered the i5 8GB 256GB from DustinHome and I am getting Microsoft Office 2016 Home & Business for free with the purchase.

Looking forward to my first SP. No more feeling gimped by an Android tablet.
I was originally looking at getting the SB, but since:
1. Microsoft refuses to announce it for Europe
2. Lenovo is finally looking at fixing the issues I have with my T450s, I dont really need another lappy.
 
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