Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end
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BadAss2961
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Is that enough to excuse the use of blackface though? No matter how many layers sugarcoated on the idea (satire, white guy playing a white guy playing a black guy and all that), RDJ still ultimately ends up acting as stereotypical black guy in a comedy where amusing audiences is probably more of the idea than anything else going on. People still lol'd with a white guy doing blackface. I guess the movie and the performance were just clever enough to make people forget that, leading to an Oscar nom for that role as the cherry on top.
I've only seen the movie in small bits and never gave it much thought. So without motive, I welcome anyone to further explain this one. Because at a glance, the more I think about it, the more I think the movie might actually be more worth this debate than some idiot in a bad Kanye costume.
A Human Becoming
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I can't fathom anything being better than this comment.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Someone make this a banned gif:
Yeah, should've hit refresh on my page to see the second purge already happened.
LookAtMeGo
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I kinda feel like punching that guy in the nuts.
I'll be honest, I am ignorant of the origins and story behind blackface and I'm going to educate myself about it tonight but I still find it easy to understand how this is offensive.
I'll be honest, I am ignorant of the origins and story behind blackface and I'm going to educate myself about it tonight but I still find it easy to understand how this is offensive.
A Link to the Past
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Put that blackface Kanye costume face on Ned plz :v
(don't actually)
Stargate SG-1 had an episode like it as well. It was pretty good, especially when O'neill started to lose it.
Oh damn, that really brings me back. That was a good ep.
Perfect.
andthebeatgoeson
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Which is funny. The US government apologized and gave reparations. But every time slave reparations are brought up...
I will never understand how someone could think this is ok. Especially when it is used for comedic effect. There is absolutely nothing funny or amusing about it. It's flat out wrong.
I saw blackface for the first time shortly after I arrived in Japan and saw coworkers sporting it at a bonenkai (end of the year drinking party) as part of some comedic little show they put on. I was appalled. Apparently its an accepted part of comedic routines here which just blows my mind. I've lost track of how many times I have had to explain why it makes me uncomfortable between halloween and various enkais throughout the year with different groups. The response is always "but why you aren't black?" You don't have to be black to recognize something as terribly racist. It honestly seems to me like its more commonplace and accepted in Japan than it ever was back in the states that I saw and I grew up in a southern city called "Lynchburg." Its mindblowing just how racist Japan can be. A problem which is thankfully less prominent in the younger population. Unfortunately, with the currently declining birth rate, means that the older and overwhelmingly racist people far outnumber the more globally aware and empathetic younger generations. You just would not believe some of the things these older folks say / believe about other races especially Indian folks. Its incredible how blatant and matter of fact the racism is here as if there is 0 shame or cause for concern.
TLDR: I saw Blackface for the first time in Japan where it appears to be alive and well. It is wrong.
I saw blackface for the first time shortly after I arrived in Japan and saw coworkers sporting it at a bonenkai (end of the year drinking party) as part of some comedic little show they put on. I was appalled. Apparently its an accepted part of comedic routines here which just blows my mind. I've lost track of how many times I have had to explain why it makes me uncomfortable between halloween and various enkais throughout the year with different groups. The response is always "but why you aren't black?" You don't have to be black to recognize something as terribly racist. It honestly seems to me like its more commonplace and accepted in Japan than it ever was back in the states that I saw and I grew up in a southern city called "Lynchburg." Its mindblowing just how racist Japan can be. A problem which is thankfully less prominent in the younger population. Unfortunately, with the currently declining birth rate, means that the older and overwhelmingly racist people far outnumber the more globally aware and empathetic younger generations. You just would not believe some of the things these older folks say / believe about other races especially Indian folks. Its incredible how blatant and matter of fact the racism is here as if there is 0 shame or cause for concern.
TLDR: I saw Blackface for the first time in Japan where it appears to be alive and well. It is wrong.
Crimson_Gold
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40 acres and mule ain't happening. Be happy if they give you subpar public housing
toastyToast
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Kanye would never wear that hat or such ill-fitting jeans
No fridge tho'.
Crash Station
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I thought there were some major distinctions between ganguro and blackface, but I could be wrong on that.
Brutalitops
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Is this the wrong time to tell GAF I'll be recreating the blackface in Lethal Weapon 5 from Always Sunny for Halloween?
Don't worry, my costume won't look as bad as this guy's though.
Don't worry, my costume won't look as bad as this guy's though.
andthebeatgoeson
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Well, yeah, that's the point. Reparations by a government is an excellent way of saying sorry. No one likes to come out of pocket. And the US government is just giving black people another middle finger. I know it's a volatile issue but I think about it when people say, 'get over it.'
Well, it's kind of hard when governments have not fully apologized. Red lining was just recent. The scandal with the US and farmers was recent. The prison scandal is ongoing. Crack vs cocaine is ongoing. There is always a reset button and saying, 'get over it' is a massive lie. It wasn't yesterday; it's still today. The economic collapse of 2008 saw many black communities devastated. They gave out subprime loans to many black families who qualified for better loans. That's completely racist. No bankers have been jailed. How can we get over it when it still happens and no one says sorry, let alone, goes to jail?
Will Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae say sorry? I was doing a great job getting over it until you brought it up. I was triggered by your thoughtlessness. Your pride in your ignorance.
Kind of a tangent but...
I'm kinda jealous of anyone who looks at these images and feels anything. Like, logically I know the guy fucked up and did a dumb thing. I'm not defending it and not really commenting on it beyond saying that nobody needs to do blackface and if you feel slighted by that: maybe think about why.
...but still man. Does anyone sincerely care? Like in their heart? I'm genuinely curious. It's sad, but was watching videos of cops murdering black kids enough in 2015 that I don't feel anything when I see a dude in a blackface halloween costume.
It's like the sad reverse of the way seeing a boob used to get me horny as a teen and now it takes like - full contact. Kinda crazy what a sad and confrontational year or two we've had in racial images.
I'm kinda jealous of anyone who looks at these images and feels anything. Like, logically I know the guy fucked up and did a dumb thing. I'm not defending it and not really commenting on it beyond saying that nobody needs to do blackface and if you feel slighted by that: maybe think about why.
...but still man. Does anyone sincerely care? Like in their heart? I'm genuinely curious. It's sad, but was watching videos of cops murdering black kids enough in 2015 that I don't feel anything when I see a dude in a blackface halloween costume.
It's like the sad reverse of the way seeing a boob used to get me horny as a teen and now it takes like - full contact. Kinda crazy what a sad and confrontational year or two we've had in racial images.
Black-Wind
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Ya know, I'm gonna read this thread sometime tomorrow in hopes that I will be able to get some clue in why so many white people think that skin paint (Blackface ...) is needed to look like a black character. (Like someone asking how to dress up as the SLJ character Jules without black face. Just get the wig, the facial hair, the suit+tie and maybe a toy gun or the famed wallet ... it's not that mother fucking hard. There ARE other ways to identify a character/ human besides skin color.)
I'm talking specifically about blackface. Not ganguro. It is also extremely common on television comedy shows.
For real. It is literally that bad.
Captin Quacker
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I don't understand how completely different people can come in this thread with the exact same argument
Evening Musuko
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And what's funny is that Japanese Americans fought for that. If they "got over it" that wouldn't have happened.
This idea that Asians keep quiet and don't fight is complete bullshit but that's another topic for another time.
(And shout out to backslashbunny for a well written post a few pages back)
SenorArdilla
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Didn't the government wait until nearly everyone who was involved died before they passed around reparations? Because it sure looked that way.
Yep that's exactly the sort of shit I see on a regular basis.
Crash Station
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What's surprising to me is 2ch actually cares that it might be offensive (even if not necessarily in Japan).
Also, they look terrible.
Ooooook.....so....um......yeah....
This was my face moment to moment as I read through this entire thread beginning to end.
In this thread I've been throwing so much side-eye I can can basically see in every direction at the same time from inside my head, like this dude.
Same facial expression as well.
It's not an argument. What would I possibly be arguing? That I'm dead inside?
The closest I get to wading into it is "nobody needs to do blackface and if you feel slighted by that: maybe think about why." so I'm not sure wher you're coming from here.
Do you want me to care more? ...becasue that's what I'm saying bums me the fuck out that I don't. I'm expressing sadness that I don't feel anything and you're just gonna bold one sentence to make it sound like I think blackface is okay just because it doesn't make me feel anything?
If we're ever gonna have the mythical "frank and honest conversation about race" this country needs you might just see some people talking about some real shit that isn't necessarily an argument.
Blackface is never okay. Do I really need to say it? Cool. Boring. I can't wait to engage with all those who disagree and achieve nothing. Now can we talk? I was asking like... if it actually stung man. Cuz 2 years ago I woulda gasped and now I almost expect it.
No. It's ignorant perhaps, but it's not racist. If you're playing up stereotypes and employing caricature then that's not really ok but what this guy did doesn't necessarily make him racist.
Ignorant but not racist.
Maybe but that's llike splitting hairs over WHY something smells like shit. No one gets a prize for finding the real racist thing.
Oh I'm not saying it's not offensive, but I don't think you can infer how this guy feels about minorities from his stupid costume.
The Spoony Hou
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Being non-American, I don't get the fuss about it. But hey, if it offends people, I guess it's best to avoid it.
LookAtMeGo
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So only after doing a little research into "blackface"... Holy shit. I can't believe I was ignorant about this stuff (my bad). It honestly just never really came up in conversation ever. I had heard the term around here but never paid much attention.
All it takes is a little research to see why something like this is offensive to black people. At first glance I could see how it would be offensive but I still really didn't "get it". Its just make up right?
Nah man, that's some deep rooted shit there. Completely deserving of people to take notice and respect the fact that it is offensive. The " I just don't get it" or "why do you care?" comments wouldn't be or at least shouldn't be said or asked if you have even a bit of knowledge on the subject.
I'm a bit sympathetic to those who responded in here without thinking it through properly and caught a ban. As I'm sure some of the responses were made from complete ignorance with no I'll intent. Hopefully instead of getting miffed about it, they do some research and see why that thought process would be frowned upon and insulting to lots of people.
Glad I read through this thread and did a little reading about it.
All it takes is a little research to see why something like this is offensive to black people. At first glance I could see how it would be offensive but I still really didn't "get it". Its just make up right?
Nah man, that's some deep rooted shit there. Completely deserving of people to take notice and respect the fact that it is offensive. The " I just don't get it" or "why do you care?" comments wouldn't be or at least shouldn't be said or asked if you have even a bit of knowledge on the subject.
I'm a bit sympathetic to those who responded in here without thinking it through properly and caught a ban. As I'm sure some of the responses were made from complete ignorance with no I'll intent. Hopefully instead of getting miffed about it, they do some research and see why that thought process would be frowned upon and insulting to lots of people.
Glad I read through this thread and did a little reading about it.
The costume is racist. The intent may not have been racist but the costume is racist. The man may not be racist but he dressed as a racist. In other words ignorance and stupidity is not an excuse from doing something/being racist.
I'm Native American and have this problem with costumes as well. It was very rampant during college. However, most of the people who dressed as natives didn't realize it was something that was bad.
People are just ignorant on some issues, especially those that are generally outside their sphere of influence.
I'm Native American and have this problem with costumes as well. It was very rampant during college. However, most of the people who dressed as natives didn't realize it was something that was bad.
People are just ignorant on some issues, especially those that are generally outside their sphere of influence.
mariachi507
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Reading through the thread, my jaw dropped at the "will black people ever let it go?" comment.
To answer the original question, of course this guy painting himself black was racist.
To answer the original question, of course this guy painting himself black was racist.
kurisu_1974
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If everyone with a dissenting opinion keeps getting banned, it will be a lonely little thread.
diggmcbadass
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Or, you know, outside of America where awareness of this is not an explicit part of culture. There were tons of people banned for relatively innocent posts that seemed to come from a genuine lack of understanding of the issue, but I guess it's easier to ban people than engage and educate them.
CloverCarr
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I would suspect many or most of the banned are from outside America.
TheSpoiler
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There were many people who outright did not give a shit when presented with the information. A bunch of posts on almost every page did work in trying to get them up to speed.
Can you point me to these people who have innocent posts? I'd like to see them.
diggmcbadass
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I dunno. Something like this post:
I don't see him following up with other arguments, or even his post getting quoted, but still getting banned for an opinion that isn't entirely unreasonable if you aren't familiar with previous discussions on the subject. There are a few others that follows along those same lines, but I didn't bother searching through all ten pages to see if they followed up with something worse.
Just to make it clear, I'm not defending the viewpoints, I just see how you can land at the opinion if you aren't familiar with the discussion, and I don't see how it's productive to do mass bannings like these.
Rockman Wright
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So can someone explain this to me? I don't get the offensive part? Sure the japanese exemples are offensive, a lot, it's really stereotypical and doesn't improve anything! But what's the problem in the OP? I didn't know that it was this offensive to paint your face black in america..
As soon as you paint your face to look more accurate, you are defined as racist? Why isn't there a case by case like every other issues? Sure i get that you don't need to do it, and i can see why it could offense some people, but when it's not in a stereotypical way, why do people still consider it racist?
please it's a genuine question, don't ban me for this, i don't live in america! I understand there's a huge racist issue in america, it's a real problem and people who are blatantly racist should be called out!
Just point out some of the argument in the earlier page if it's already been done, i don't have time to read 20 pages right now, sorry
As soon as you paint your face to look more accurate, you are defined as racist? Why isn't there a case by case like every other issues? Sure i get that you don't need to do it, and i can see why it could offense some people, but when it's not in a stereotypical way, why do people still consider it racist?
please it's a genuine question, don't ban me for this, i don't live in america! I understand there's a huge racist issue in america, it's a real problem and people who are blatantly racist should be called out!
Just point out some of the argument in the earlier page if it's already been done, i don't have time to read 20 pages right now, sorry
I'm not an native speaker, nor i'm north american but it has to do a lot with the historical context. A black dude painting his face white is not the same because there is no historical context of white people beeing supressed/ridiculed by "whiteface".
Some people who do blackface (for halloween or whatever) are not straight racist but insensitive. That is my really short 2 cents but here are a lot of people who can word this way better and more sophisticated.
Minstrel shows never took place in neither Japan, nor in most European countries, nor in Africa nor any other place of the world but Anglo countries. Consequently, there's no association in these countries between painting your face black and racism. A symbol doesn't exist in a vaccuum, its cultural context changes their meaning and, consequently, the intent of the people that spouse them, kinda like how a Japanese doing the "V" symbol in Britain probably do not mean any harm.
And yes, that applies even to racists symbols, and even to racists symbols that gets americans outraged. Blackface is a quite insular phenomenom and it is mostly unkown outside of your borders (or at least it was until the Internet happened). Hell, at the cost of looking like an insensitive idiot, I have to admit that I didn't even knew that blackface was "a thing" until I entered this very forum.
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