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[Japanmanx3]

I guess if you are saying she looks like she's painted up like a Halloween character because of all the make-up (not cool to say) then that makes sense.



And I wasn't aware that Rachel Dolezal had become a figure of contempt among the black community. Although not black herself she identifies enough to become a leader of the NAACP. If she's doing that much social work I don't think she's just dressing up to look cool.

I think the media I read was more forgiving of her and willing to move on than the media you read.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I think that Seinfeld thread broke mac

I don't

EDIT: I'm dumb carry on.

No problem, I know it can be hard to keep track in the yearly blackface thread

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Yeah, nah, I'm just not even going to bother.

 

[Crud]

I think that Seinfeld thread broke mac



No problem, I know it can be hard to keep track in the yearly blackface thread

It's my first one! Its a target rich environment so many shots fired in so many directions.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

This thread really lost it's legs when Charlie posted his insane spiel.

You underestimate this place, man.

 

[Numb]

You underestimate this place, man.

Phew now that was a while ago now.

 

[Japanmanx3]

Agree.

Went and took a peak in that one. I concur.

Spoiler

You mess with Jerry you get Juniored

had me rolling though.

 

[Evening Musuko]

Well not at all, and I think it's the farthest thing from blackface. But as I said, I feel people take issue with just the mere act of applying black makeup.

The carnival of blacks and whites (Carnaval de blancos y negros) happens in the southern part of Colombia, and its the result of many, many different traditions and syncretisms, from native american celebrations to the moon to celebrations from african slaves to the obvious european influences of carnaval itself. It lasts around a week, but the main important days are the blacks day and the whites day.

It's supposed to be a "game", people roam the streets to try to "paint" as many people as possible with black cosmetics, while screaming "vivan los negros!", there are also parades, floats, etc, etc, needless to say most people pretty much end up completely painted in black.







White's day is kind of the opposite, except that this time its flour and foam, with the main parade with giant floats, people scream "vivan los blancos" (I know, equal opportunity and all ).


That last one there? it's the freaking president of the country. No one is spared.

Looking at it and reading about it doesn't look like there's any mocking. In fact, it was the black slaves who started the tradition of black paint. Definitively not like blackface here in the US. Considering Colombia's large Afro-Colombian population, I assume that if it was a problem, there would have been a huge discussion about it every year like Zwarte Piet.

 

[akira28]

I'm not even a Seinfeld fan. Who is? Who are these people?

 

[Merc_]

And I wasn't aware that Rachel Dolezal had become a figure of contempt among the black community. Although not black herself she identifies enough to become a leader of the NAACP. If she's doing that much social work I don't think she's just dressing up to look cool.

Explain to me some of the social work she was doing that required her to be in blackface.

 

[Opto]

http://www.complex.com/style/2015/10/student-nicki-minaj-blackface-costume

Really Nicki isn't even that dark

This racism is killing me inside

 

[Messofanego]

Honestly, I don't know what else we can debate on man. This thread really lost it's legs when Charlie posted his insane spiel.

Oh, CharlieDigital? The Asian GAFer with the Wolverine claw cosplay avatar? I thought he was fine...

I think this is way too hyperbolic.

It just blows my mind that this particular case of blackface is being deemed racist.

If a kid wanted to cosplay Obama because he admired him, would it be racist for him to be in blackface? Is it racist for a white supporter to wear an Obama or Ben Carson mask?

I'm not saying that black face can't be racist, but that it should be examined in context.

Clearly, a white supporter wearing an Obama or Carson mask is not being racist.

A white comedian wearing an Obama or Carson mask doing an impersonation that incorporates racial stereotypes? That would clearly be racist.

I just don't understand how there is ZERO room for flexibility on this because I can't see how a white supporter wearing an Obama mask is being racist.

Serious question: at some point, will black people let it go? Maybe 300 years from now?

Asian people were brought here and exploited as slaves to build America's railways and as slave labor in gold mines.

There has been a history of yellow-face (e.g. The King and I) as well not to mention the continued white-washing of Asian roles in movies (e.g. Avatar, GITS, etc.) Asians generally continue to be portrayed as feminine, nerdy; they are rarely featured outside of martial arts films.

I'm not salty about it at all. My sister isn't. My mom isn't. I dunno, at some level, you gotta just it go.

Americans mocked Japanese people during WWII, rounded Japanese Americans up and put them in a camp, dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese don't seem that salty about it.

Even if you look at China and Japan and the atrocities carried out during WWII including the Rape of Nanjing. Despite all of that, China is Japan's largest trading partner. At some point, you just gotta let it go, IMO.

Would you like to have a serious discussion and address it?

I honestly believe that at some level, being offended by an act only empowers those that carry out the act.

I'd say Asians have a very different sensibility about it. It's not as if Chinese Americans weren't imported as slaves, suffered through yellow-face, continue to be white-washed in film roles, etc. It just doesn't offend me; I don't hold it against the majority white culture and people who committed the acts decades if not centuries ago.

There are actual, racist things today that are worthy of being offended by and if this is what black people want to get worked up about, then I think it's a waste of energy. I cannot even believe the reactions being drawn out in this thread from black Americans given the gravity of racist acts that have an impact on the quality of life for black Americans versus some white guy putting on blackface to dress up as Kanye for Halloween.

Police brutality. Income disparity. Institutional racism in housing, employment, education, policing. Holy shit, there's serious racism in the US and a white dude dressing up as Kanye is going to drive black Americans nuts?

I'd hardly say I'm telling black people to "get over it", but rather "hey look, there's really nothing to be offended by here"; if you look at the context of it all, it's just a Halloween costume and the dude chose it to match his S/O.

I'd hope that folks that know my post history understand that I'm cognizant of race issues in the US and the grave injustice that is suffered by minorities, especially black Americans. Obviously, it's not from a black perspective, but I guess that's part of what I'm seeking here. There are real modern day race issues that have an impact on quality of life for black Americans and this dude shouldn't even register as a blip.

Can you qualify what about this just screams "RACIST" aside from the "the history of blackface"?

I'm still curious as to whether white supporters who buy Obama or Carson masks are considered racist or not since they are supporting their candidate.

It's more like Asians can also be offended -- and I'm certainly only speaking for myself and my family -- but we're generally not. I'd say that my perspective is that being offended by an act only empowers the act and the perpetrator.

What I'm seeking to understand is why black people are so offended by such a trivial act and at what point will that act no longer have the power to offend. I can't understand it. The answer certainly cannot be "forever".

Yeah, but the important question is what lead to that? Certainly, Asians were imported as slaves even later than Africans and even after the Civil War.

And today, how is it that Asians were able to overcome that? My perspective was that you can't compare the discrimination between blacks and Asians in the US today. I don't think that is counter to what I'm saying here.

Why do you not see the same level of offense being expressed by the Asian community at the constant emasculation of Asian males, the whitewashing of Asian characters in media, the stereotyping of Asians in mass media, and so on?

Again, what I seek to understand is when this trivial act of dressing up as Kanye is so offensive to the black community.

If a pale dude was dressing up as Bruce Lee and decided that a spray tan would better highlight the character, I wouldn't find that the least bit offensive.

I don't find Yul Brynner's The King and I offensive because of the yellowface.


And you know what? Most Asian folks that I know didn't give a fuck about the whitewashing? I was never offended by it, personally.

When I saw the trailer, I told my wife I wanted to watch it; it never once crossed my mind that the white actors portraying Asian characters was "offensive". I just don't see it.

Well, I can say that I've not talked about it with my Asian friends, but it's never been a topic of discussion; just wasn't even worth discussing.

Dude, to the extent that there's a 13 page thread in the matter of an hour or two? Nah.

Look, I'm not saying some people were not offended by it, but that it was hardly an issue among Asians and Asian Americans.

It's just not a big deal, IMO. Not once did it come up in discussion with any of the Asian folks I know. Not once in a Facebook feed. Not once in a face-to-face. And I'm sitting here right now telling you that I'm not offended by it.

Oh wow. This is amazing, the lack of insight as to himself being an Asian and just wanting people to stop being offended and just to let it go! And then trying to save face by saying he recognises racist issues and knows his history of discrimination against Asians but can't seem to grasp this one about black people at all. All he had to do was just a few minutes of reading up on blackface's history. To him it would seem like if people had just shut up about Japanese internment camps or other forms of discrimination throughout history, then everything would be fine and dandy for Asian Americans! Or how he doesn't get that yellowface is offensive too, where like black people they weren't allowed to act so white people resorted to yellow/black-face and ugly stereotypes of minorities. He isn't bothered at all by whitewashing where Asians don't get opportunities so he now speaks for all Asians that they shouldn't be offended. He thinks Asians have been totally fine with all of that. Aaaahhhh so close yet so far!

One day I hope he understands.

 

[Crud]

Messofanego had to do em like that. HAD TO.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I don't know who he's supposed to be. Maybe if he blackened up a bit..

 

[User1608]

I don't know who he's supposed to be. Maybe if he blackened up a bit..

Totally. Anyone who has an issue should get over it.

 

[Opto]

Gold, mohawk, beard, overalls...

Weird rich mario!

 

[Skunkers]

Nope, you don't understand systemic racism. You're more concerned about the word "racist" being attached than actually giving a fuck about racism.

Wrong. I'm concerned enough about racial issues that I recognize that calling everybody a racist (including those who may not be) is causing more racial tension, and not helping to make things any better. You don't solve an awareness problem by putting the people who need to be educated about it on defense. You're smart enough to recognize the difference.

 

[bishoptl]

Thread's served its purpose. See you all at Zwarte Piet!