CBS/NYT Poll: Ben Carson edges out Donald Trump
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Well they can't dismiss their voter base.
Also they're right; it's October/November of 2015. They have a lot of time. Especially Marco Rubio.
Unless she goes to jail, Hillary will beat either Carson or Trump in the general election. It's Rubio you need to worry about.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Because in the early polling the outsider candidates are still fresh and exciting, when it gets closer to the actual primaries people start settling down and realizing "oh shit, this person has no idea what they're talking about and would be a terrible president."
I'm still baffled as to why Carson is doing better now because it's immediately apparent that he doesn't belong in the race, but I have faith most republican voters will realize this in time.
Pai Pai Master
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Your book may be missing some pages
And what book would this be?
Veritigo_X
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Yeah, I get the idea that it's early and they still have a chance. It just must be worrying to the GOP that these are the types of candidates that people are flocking to. It's completely different than the flavor of the month candidates in 2012. It was easy to write it off then but it's a lot harder now that these types of candidates are staying in the front much longer.
Demographics are different today than they were in 2000 and 2004. He wouldn't have a chance.
ultratruman
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Carson comes across as borderline brain damaged, it's no wonder he resonates so well with the GOP base.
HUELEN10
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Serious question, because I don't want to assume things.
Are you saying Trump is a less damaging choice than Carson?
Pai Pai Master
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Who is this "America" you speak of? Wasnt aware an entire country could be paired down to a single entity.
boiled goose
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Man the republican base is insane... and clearly desperate.
They know the establishment politicians are fucking with them, but then they turn to Carson.
He is even more dangerous than Trump. And he is probably even less serious about running. Trump is an egotistical idiot, but Carson is a lunatic religious fundamentalist with the veneer of a neurosurgeon.
Carson and Cruz are the most dangerous candidates because they are crazy. Jeb and Rubio are corrupt. Trump is a wildcare with a few good things and some terrible things.
The repubican establishment is such a mess. Over 50% of the voters choosing carson, trump, and fiorina. Even if they all eventually drop out, neither Jeb nor Rubio is an exciting candidate for their base.
Trump is DEFINITELY less damaging than Carson.
Tell me one issue in which Carson is better than Trump?
They know the establishment politicians are fucking with them, but then they turn to Carson.
He is even more dangerous than Trump. And he is probably even less serious about running. Trump is an egotistical idiot, but Carson is a lunatic religious fundamentalist with the veneer of a neurosurgeon.
Carson and Cruz are the most dangerous candidates because they are crazy. Jeb and Rubio are corrupt. Trump is a wildcare with a few good things and some terrible things.
The repubican establishment is such a mess. Over 50% of the voters choosing carson, trump, and fiorina. Even if they all eventually drop out, neither Jeb nor Rubio is an exciting candidate for their base.
Trump is DEFINITELY less damaging than Carson.
Tell me one issue in which Carson is better than Trump?
Carson is such an enigma. He gives the appearance of being this super low-key and thoughtful individual. Just seems like such a nice guy
Then you actually listen to the things that he has to say, and its terrifying to think of him as the leader of the free world. He has said some of the most bizarre, out-of-touch quotes that I've ever heard out of a politician.
Then you actually listen to the things that he has to say, and its terrifying to think of him as the leader of the free world. He has said some of the most bizarre, out-of-touch quotes that I've ever heard out of a politician.
Man, I'd love that. Suggest that he has low testosterone, that Carson is low-energy everywhere, and that he has no sex drive. And then brag about having the classiest sex drive ever.
Then, Trump could pledge that, if elected, he and his squad of Trumpettes will have a yearly Benny Hill re-enactment on the South Lawn in honor of the British on Independence Day..
Grizzlyjin
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If I'm not mistaken, Trump's numbers tend to go down after each debate. Where Carson, for whatever reason sees a rise. Although Trump gets a boost from being in the media, so I bet the SNL performance helps a wee bit. Just from everyone talking about it before and after.
Honestly, I wonder what impact this debate will have. Trump and Carson neutered the format because they're not strong policy debaters, so the majority of it will be candidate openings, smidge of questions, then candidate closings. I bet we see more canned stuff than "debate"
David Incorporated Esq.
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I think they can gather that they'll have a much better chance in a few months when the primaries roll around, but what's going to be difficult is convincing the donor base that they're the candidate the establishment is going to coalesce behind. There's no Romney this time around who can pretty easily state that he's going to be the guy at the end of the road, so the donors are probably split and uneasy.
Anybody donating to Carson, though, is just lighting their money on fire.
boiled goose
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If the establishment wants to get rid of Carson and Trump, just ask them "How would you do that?"
Pai Pai Master
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As bad as trump is at least he recognizes where there are problems and gets people talking about them. I can't think of a single thing that Carson gets people passionate about. It's absolutely baffling to me that this guy with the common sense and personality of a damn washcloth has any supporters at all. He is pretty much on the same level of any of Trump's negative positions, with added levels of buffoonery.
Matt_
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Trump is entertaining and charismatic, and whilst I find his wall idea repulsive its a rallying cry to some people
Carson on the other hand is dull and slow and I don't know what signature policy he is pushing that is attracting people to him
boiled goose
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Carson is worse. Trump at least speaks out against corruption and is not a religious zealot.
Trump also wants to be 'right' and lead and get results.
Carson would just light the world on fire during a sigh.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah I mean they're both awful. But I haven't seen a single thing from Carson that indicates he wants to change the status quo for his party. At least we have trump railing against the establishment. Carson will just continue pushing the anti-middle class and racist positions of the far right conservatives and evangelicals. Absolutely nothing would change with this guy, except things would continue getting worse in the big picture.
Jacksinthe
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Old hat. We had presidents that dueled and killed people. While president.
Carson wants to replace Medicare with HSAs. But then also not do that at all. He's absolutely clueless about what he even wants, much less how to do it or how good/bad it'd be for the country at large.
NervousXtian
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Carson is actually worse than Trump in the end... because in the end Trump is just going to do what his advisers tell him.. but not Carson.. he's legit crazy.
Dreams-Visions
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One of the good ones.
Grizzlyjin
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Pretty much. I think the answer that Fiorina, Carson, and Trump have given is " I'll hire good people..."
They have a pretty poor understanding of domestic and foreign policy, especially the latter. They'll embarrass themselves in the GOP primary if they get locked into giving substantive answer. Rubio and Jeb need to step their game up and stop letting them dodge. But the GOP climate right now is wary of "Gotcha" questions, so it never comes up.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Too many people on stage still to get to substantive questions and answers. Also doesn't help that CNN likes to ask questions like "So and so says you're a doodie-head, what would you like to say to him?"
KenzinFive
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To Republicans, Carson is one of the "good ones". I.E. He's not a Democrat.
Either way, it doesn't matter, because it's going to come down to Rubio and Bush in a few months.
Why wouldn't you vote for someone as so well spoken as Dr. Carson?
Nazgul_Hunter
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Hey, but if you're doing the Limbo instead, that's pretty damn good
My cousin was married two weekends ago and the officiant was a cousin of the bride. He seemed like an OK guy, but he was at the camping weekend we had for the bachelor party. Dude was intense, with an edge of craziness. He had a Ben Carson sticker in the window of his pickup truck.
Early primary voters be scary, yo.
Early primary voters be scary, yo.
boiled goose
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The democratic debate was so substantive. I don't think any of the GOPers really has a chance if general debates are like that.
Veritigo_X
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True, I guess they're just thinking of the immediate future and not looking ahead to 2020. This predicament is probably why we still have so many establishment candidates even though they're polling at like 1-3%. They see that big slice of crazy pie and think it's theirs.
That's all it takes to rally up the base these days. Just spread some fear and hatred then the poll numbers go through the roof.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That's true. With so many people still in the race, you can only get so deep. The Dem debate was refreshing since it was mainly just Sanders and Clinton with sprinkles of O'Malley.
I never skipd debates, but I don't even know if I'll bother with tomorrow. So many people still there and such a large amount of the time devoted to canned stuff. Meh.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I know an old black guy that abused the hell out of this and I kind of love him for it. He grew up in the south and when beginning his professional career started backing republicans and building connections with local republican officials who loooooved to have him around. Paid off big with networking and contracts when he started his own firm.
He and his wife voted for Obama, though, while telling everyone he voted for Romney. Genius of the highest (and simultaneously lowest) order.
it would be like the food babe polling higher than hillary
PlayALLtheGames
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Don't get confused. Right-wingers love any black person who talks about how African Americans are responsible for all their problems, are to blame for being shot by police and if they just didn't listen to as much rap and act like "thugs" they'd all be successful.
And it allows them to talk about how not-racist they are.
Also, Carson is a neurosurgeon, but otherwise completely fucking stupid, which is a big plus in their book because it allows them to appeal to how much of an intellectual he is while remaining comfortable that he's not too smart, as they share a lot of his absolutely idiotic and demonstrably false ideas about the world. That way they can feel like they're on his level and he's not above them (superior intellect as a whole is taken as a personal insult by conservatives and is associated with the "elitist left.")
Veritigo_X
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To be fair, that's always the case with Iowa. They picked Huckabee in 2008 and Santorum in 2012. Carson would be in good company with those two.
acheron_xl
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I still think that someone like Rubio ends up with the nomination, and this process will continue to happen every election cycle, getting progressively worse and more surreal, until someone truly vile actually gets the call. That will be the GOP's rock bottom. 2024 maybe?
RustyNails
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Lot of time for general election? Sure. But lot of time for the republican primaries? Nope. Iowa caucuses start in 2 months. How do you see Jeb/Marco turning the ship around in 2 months?
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