So what? I can call it a political space invasion. That doesn't mean that a political space invasion is going to happen or that anyone should expect a political space invasion or that anyone is actually going along with my idea of a political space invasion.
Two new Iowa polls show Clinton with GIANT leads over Sanders
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So what? I can call it a political space invasion. That doesn't mean that a political space invasion is going to happen or that anyone should expect a political space invasion or that anyone is actually going along with my idea of a political space invasion.
I guess if you ignore posters here on GAF, many many people on Reddit and other places where Bernie supporters gather, then I guess it doesn't exist.
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Better records on guns. Better chance of winning. Better chance of helping elect down ticket candidates. I like her better. Better chance of actually getting a few things passed. She's actually a Democrat.
Hopefully those reasons are okay.
I'd do it for the lulz.
Epsilon-delta
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I don't know any Bernie supporter who would rather have a Republican in office than Hillary.
Goofball assumptions indeed, but that's par for the course for a few of Hillary's loudest supporters.
Yeah, I've never heard any Bernie supporter say that even if technically they are helping the Republicans by sitting out the general when he loses.
nah, it was just Huelen
Epsilon-delta
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People have selective memories.
dehydratedbabies
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/upshot/why-an-iowa-poll-is-unfair-to-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0
haha, we'll see
This is a very stupid generalization.
haha, we'll see
This is a very stupid generalization.
He won't because he isn't an idiot and actually cares about this country.
Hillary slaying. I love it!
Very unfortunate, and in the end, it paints a rather bad picture on themselves. "It's all about me, screw you. My way or the highway." Though to be fair, I shouldn't paint a broad stroke myself, so to speak.
Veritigo_X
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People wanting Sanders to run independent or sit out this election come across that way.
Every person that says for Bernie to go independent if he loses the primary so they could vote for him, mine as well be a republican vote.
neogaffer1
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rip bernie
Bam Bam Baklava
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1 is an outlier, 2 is a trend.
I care about this country too much to vote for either one of these parties. That's called integrity. I could give a shit about either of the republicrats.
dehydratedbabies
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Two is the primary is over - Dido
Better records on guns. Better chance of winning. Better chance of helping elect down ticket candidates. I like her better. Better chance of actually getting a few things passed. She's actually a Democrat.
Hopefully those reasons are okay.
Those work for me. I like a lot of Bernie's positions, and I hope he stays in all the way to the convention, but his pie in the sky proposals are completely unattainable, especially in the current obstructionist Congress. On top of that, the GOP attack machine hasn't even turned toward him yet, and they'd absolutely have a field day with his talk of socialism and revolution (yes, the informed know what he means, but the average voter isn't all that informed). Plus, he reminds me a bit of a crazy uncle yelling at clouds, and while that shouldn't make a difference as to his electability, sadly it does.
Hillary is certainly an establishment Democrat and about as far away from being an 'outsider' as is possible in American politics, but frankly an establishment politician suits me just fine this time around - especially one who will effectively serve as the equivalent of a third Obama term. Revolution's a hard sell when you're not in the midst of an economic downturn.
Veritigo_X
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You obviously don't care about the people that would be directly affected by a republican president.
(edit) I just think that there's a lot of room out there for people who identify as liberal or left leaning who would never, ever vote for Trump and don't find much to like about Hillary. There are enough of those supporters hanging out there that would be energized by a Sanders independent run that I think it could at least ensure that Trump has no chance, and I say that precisely because I'm afraid that a lot of people who support Sanders now would NOT go out and vote if Clinton and Trump were the only two options, and we know what happens when the liberals don't vote--psycho Republicans end up in office.
it's the American way
But GAF tells me that Bernie supporters aren't like that. -In a thread were multiple people want him to go independent even after he said he doesn't want to divide the party.
I don't think with either candidate much change will happen at all, good or bad. Shit is status quo.
Damerman
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That race to the bottom can't hit molten earth fast enough.
He already said he wouldn't.
User 463088
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There's an old line:
Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.
Whomever the GOP nominates, s/he will get between 45-47% of the vote guaranteed, simply by having an "R" behind his or her name.
We know what happens when a left leaning third party candidate runs. His name was Ralph Nader.
It can.
We elect a republican president that appoints more conservatives justices and gay marriage gets overturned.
People forget that gay marriage was a 5-4 decision.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Implying that Nader WAS an idiot and didn't give a shit about this country?
The Technomancer
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I mean, I'm sorry but this is just stupid. I don't even need to come up with some big list of important Obama accomplishments, just look at one: the expansion of Medicaid under the ACA has tangible, real positive impacts on the lives of millions of Americans. Are you saying that that good, those lives don't matter? Aren't important enough for you?
People's lives really do hang in the balance of power
teruterubozu
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Ah yes, the Bernie White Privilege argument. Nothing classier than accusing fellow Democrats of deliberately marginalizing people.
Nader had nowhere near anything resembling "mainstream press" representation in the last two decades, and the media landscape has changed a hell of a lot since he ran. I think people underestimate the amount of new and younger voters who don't respond to polling and who aren't able to be predicted by the same tired old metrics that have always been used.
True, but I am talking status quo peanuts for people, and the whole boat to the largest minority that has rigged the social game. Too many factors make that likely, and for candidates getting money from Wall Street, I would literally believe in Jesus Christ returning before sincere effort to the actual devils walking on this earth with us.
Do you really not fucking see the way corporate America is held higher than the prosperity of regular people? How can you not call this an oligarchy?
Maybe a study making the same claim will help?
Empyrean Heaven
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Agreed, I think we've clinched Clinton vs. Trump at this point, and no way in hell Clinton loses.
Yes, fuck Ralph Nader for 2000. Even if just a tiny % of his voters switched to Gore in FL no recount or anything. The idea he pushed of Gore being no different than Bush was pure bullshit and a complete lie that lead to disastrous consequences.
Blood Diamonds
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b..but the polls????
Veritigo_X
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If a large amount of liberals are energized by an independent run by Sanders and go out and vote for him then that would basically hand the election over to the republicans. We already know what happens when liberals vote independent.
Do you know what republican candidates are promising to accomplish during their presidency? Repealing ACA, same sex marriage just off the top of my head. But fuck those people right?
What would you call it then? It's completely selfish if a liberal doesn't care about a democrat being in office out of personal pride. If they think this they're ignoring a real portion of our population.
You must be pretty blind to see that if a democrat doesn't go into office for 2016, shit is gonna get ugly for minorities in general. Add along potential Supreme Court Justice picks, and shit could get ugly for decades.
How on earth was this precipitated on Hillary's imminent victory in the primaries?
The Technomancer
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When the argument is "neither side is any better then the other, its better to just sit out" in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary that the selection of political leader has tangible impacts on people's lives? Sorry but that shit doesn't fly
From this reddit/politics thread from this morning:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/3qfdl0/clinton_has_41_point_lead_over_sanders_in_iowa/
Holland- said:
Oh_Henry1 said:
Oh_Henry1 said:
Cudder_Buddy said:
It goes on and on. There are plenty of Bernie supporters who want to see a "course correction" (i.e. elect the GOP and let the country burn to prove how shitty their politics are) if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. The only problem with their strategy is that is demonstrably doesn't work (case and point Kansas).
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