::scratches head::
Yes, and we are talking about a game. If a game isn't seen as being enjoyable to play then it's not going to do well.
Halo 5 sales in the UK [Excludes digital sales]
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::scratches head::
Yes, and we are talking about a game. If a game isn't seen as being enjoyable to play then it's not going to do well.
Without knowing digital sales I don't see the point of commenting one way or another. Sucks that the data is hidden away.
Are the req points really that necessary? Seems to me Halo 5 is a bit light in terms of micro transaction offerings. Good trade off if every update is free.
Curious to see what the micro transaction situation looks like six months from now. The best of intentions get changed over time in the pursuit of money.
Are the req points really that necessary? Seems to me Halo 5 is a bit light in terms of micro transaction offerings. Good trade off if every update is free.
Curious to see what the micro transaction situation looks like six months from now. The best of intentions get changed over time in the pursuit of money.
Warm Machine
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There is very little tangible difference between CoD and Halo for a lot of people in terms of what either game offers. They are both MP games where one team shoots up another team in a level. The nuance of the "arena" is pretty semantic.
The clearest difference is the theming and military or faux future military is in general more appealing and more accessible than pure sci fi. That said, Battlefront is probably going to do bananas due to how great it looks combined with Star Wars fever.
...except the person Synth quoted said that most people disagreed that Halo 5 was good.
Viruz
Member
Candy crush?
Bummer, but not entirely surprising. Xbox One exclusive + coming off of Halo:MCC makes for a tough hill to climb. Hopefully the game has legs, because I personally find the MP to be fantastic (I haven't bothered with the campaign since 2). So far Halo 5 is the most fun I've had playing Halo since Halo 2. I didn't care for 3 at all, Reach was alright, dropped 4 almost immediately.
Poimandres
Member
So Halo is too "hardcore" for the mainstream these days?
This is very funny because I remember when Halo came out PC gamers complained about the casualisation of the FPS genre with slower movement speed, aim assistance etc. Just funny to see that yesterday's casual is today's hardcore.
Q
Queen of Hunting
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And this is why halo needs to come to pc. Console gamers are enjoying cod and other shooters more.
Where as pc gamers have been begging for halo games and ignore call of duty.
Should make the jump to pc before franchise falls of a cliff
Where as pc gamers have been begging for halo games and ignore call of duty.
Should make the jump to pc before franchise falls of a cliff
I expect a steep drop after Blop3 releases.
meanspartan
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If Halo 5 doesn't cause a pretty significant bump in Xbox One sales over the same time last year, then they'd be crazy to keep it only on the console I think.
Still doubt we ever see it on PC, but they should at least bring over MCC.
I really do like Halo 5, but Black Ops and Battlefield are going to bury this game alive.
Killerhertz
Neo Member
I think battlefronts population will drop by leaps and bounds after its release tbh. With forge and btb on the way I think it will recapture some defectors
luckygodzilla
Member
Yeah I'm inclined to believe with the steady drip feed of new playlists, req's, maps, and forge Halo 5 will probably last a good deal longer than its predecessor.
Of course being an actual good multiplayer game helps too.
Still, between Battlefront and blops 3, Halo is definitely going to take a hit.
Killerhertz
Neo Member
Completely agree
You underestimate the power of the Dark Side...
No but really, BF is going to be massive.
Out of my 983 friends online, 982 of them said they'll buy BF day one... Digitally in fact. That's massive!
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
It's definitely going to drop (no doubt about it). It being the only current gen Halo game on the system though should help it out a bit.
igordennis
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Battlefront to "bomb" at retail as well confirmed.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
But will they buy it digitally
John Wick
Member
Your friendship circle doesn't equal the whole of the UK though now does it?
It's like those meaningless ask 100 people surveys and then state it covers the whole country
BleedOrange
Banned
No surprise here. Halo doesn't exist in a vacuum anymore. People have choice and there are high quality competitors on the market. It's never gonna be like it used to be.
BleedOrange
Banned
They would be insane to bring over MCC but not Halo 5. That would cement Halo 3 as the go-to Halo experience on PC from release until infinity. If they bring Halo to PC its Halo 5 or nothing.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
It makes me wonder if this was their plan all along. Keep something for holiday to bring back players. May be BTB with their own maps and few new arena maps.
BleedOrange
Banned
Its hard to purchase an XB1 that DOESN'T come with MCC right?
Yeah Halo 5 is unfortunately bogged down by a weak hardware platform, a middling campaign, and latent mistrust due to Halo: MCC. Fortunately the word of mouth about the actual gameplay is stellar, H5 will suffer, while H6 benefit.
Haha what, there is tons of differences, to even list them all would derail the hell out of this thread. Gunplay alone is drastically different, which right there is why there is such a heavy favor for COD
MCC only comes with the MCC Bundaru
I'm with you on the game having good legs part. Game will undoubtedly take a hit when the holiday's big shooters come out, but constant playlist updates, new REQs, and above all else, free DLC maps/BTB/Forge will keep people coming back to the game months and months after launch. Thankfully, the foundation is there with some of the best MP in the franchise to support that kind of longevity.
Cod/destiny/battlefield is the console shooting standard
Halo is the closest thing you will get to a PC arena shooter on consoles, the speed has increased a lot from the slow movements of halo CE - reach
BleedOrange
Banned
It is a shame, but you can't keep making mistakes and not see them come back to haunt you. In the end though I think it will be for the best. 343i now have a solid gameplay base with which to build on, and MORE than enough feedback about how to craft a solid narrative (Joe Staten pls).
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Halo 5 isnt even a proper Arena Shooter...
Doom is coming. And that really felt like a proper Arena Shooter.
Are you serious? Play SWAT lol.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Yes im serious. Ive played the new Doom already btw
SWAT has nothing to do with the Arena concept.very doubtful.
You hopefully now that the Star Wars buzz will be in full force in december. Free Jakku DLC for Battlefront and the Movie. Sry but Halo hasnt this magic like Star Wars has.
How?? Arena is all about equal opportunity, fast pace, headshots, and tight places. And no fancy stuff like shield and grenades.Yes im serious. Ive played the new Doom already btw
Monocle
Member
The campaign is fantastic. I'm tired of seeing glib slams against a campaign that solved all of Halo 4's issues and actually managed to live up to 343's hype about branching paths and verticality. They even nailed the humor and world building, two aspects I never would have expected 343 to deliver.
Mediocre my ass. Halo 4 and Reach are mediocre compared to Halo 5.
IncognitoPanda
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I wouldn't say fixed ALL of Halo 4s problems, it certainly has its flaws. However, I also picked up on them being surprisingly good at humor. It made the world feel less bleak.
The first 2 missions are pretty meh, missions 3-6 are Halo 4 level, and missions 7-15 are great, way above anything from Halo 4.
-MD-
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I'm tired of people having opinions too.
joecanada
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Very doubtful unless they go back to bf4. Battlefield always has good numbers of consistent players in the past couple years, bf4 servers are still packed
LifEndz
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Poimandres
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I thought the speed of Halo 5 was around Halo 2 speed? Honestly that's pretty appropriate for console FPS as far as I'm concerned. I grew up playing Quake/UT and had a damn fine time with Halo 1 - 3.
SWAT is nothing like classic arena shooters. If anything that was pretty much Halo's take on Counter Strike. In SWAT you need to be super cautious, whereas traditional arena shooters you run around like a mad man. Well, at least I do!
Yes im serious. Ive played the new Doom already btw
To me it kind of felt like a cross between Quake 2 and Halo. Which is great for me, so I'm super excited for Doom!
Actually headshots weren't really a thing in the original arena shooters. For me they were about decent movement speed, longish time to kill, weapon pickups, and map control. Grenades have been around for a long time as well (but few are as satisfying/essential as Halo's).
Everyone runs around like headless chicken and uses boost in SWAT Halo 5 lol, it's why it's so fast paced. As for headshots, it's all about that predictive aiming and keeping your crosshair at that head level for the fast kills. Map control is not really a thing because of all the motion, everyone is constantly on the move.
I agree with the power weapons and stuff, but I like Halo 5's SWAT due to how similar it is to CS GO's pistol round.
Not at all. You don't even need to use the cards in game to be successful.
Bitch Pudding
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Oh, I am sure they will do some proper PR, but maybe they will just stick to something like "#1 title in UK/ US" or something like this. Not sure if they'll actually announce some numbers. But hey, why not, it is most likely still the most sold exclusive title on all current platforms, right?
The numbers definitely seem low in comparison to earlier entries but this is hardly a suprise;
The fps market is over-saturated.
Halo 5 didn't reach critical acclaim as expected from this series in the past.
halo is no longer the biggest fps in the console space
blops and battlefront are around the corner.
I think a lot of people expected this incredible launch event with lots of PR on broken records and a return to form, so this launching as the weakest halo yet ( barely beating the actual weakest entry MCC ) is leaving alot of xbox fans a bit shell-shocked, hence this crazy thread.
Seeing as this thread is going in cirkles, i'd say they at least delivered on the number of broken records in this thread, no offence Etta.
The fps market is over-saturated.
Halo 5 didn't reach critical acclaim as expected from this series in the past.
halo is no longer the biggest fps in the console space
blops and battlefront are around the corner.
I think a lot of people expected this incredible launch event with lots of PR on broken records and a return to form, so this launching as the weakest halo yet ( barely beating the actual weakest entry MCC ) is leaving alot of xbox fans a bit shell-shocked, hence this crazy thread.
Seeing as this thread is going in cirkles, i'd say they at least delivered on the number of broken records in this thread, no offence Etta.
Monocle
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All of its major ones, anyway.
Bungie's excellent Covenant baddies effectively replaced by bullet spongey enemies with poor visual cues and annoying behaviors? In Halo 5 the Forerunner enemies have less health, clear weak points and visual cues, and more predictable behaviors. And the Covenant appear as frequently as you'd hope.
Highly linear areas with muddled, overdesigned visual elements? Halo 5's environments are equal to and often better than Halo CE's in terms of open, nonlinear design. (Just not as large as areas like The Silent Cartographer's island, unfortunately.) And their visual variety and stylistic cohesion are greatly improved from Halo 4.
A plot that relies heavily on the extended lore without clearly explaining much of anything? Halo 5's campaign is steeped in Halo lore, but the key details are concisely explained and parceled out in an easily digestible manner. Even new players won't get lost if they pay attention to the dialog.
I could go on...
I think the first two missions are really strong in terms of multitiered map design that allows for lots of different approaches. Especially Mission 2. And they both have great atmosphere. I love the dark tunnels in the second mission.
Just shitty dismissive negative opinions with no nuance at all.
All I'm objecting to here is the practice of saying "thing is shit" when thing actually has loads of good qualities, it just wasn't what that person wanted. People are free to have their own opinions. I just can't help feeling a little disgusted when they do the internet equivalent of throwing a turd through my open window and expect me to treat it like a savory baked potato or something.
Opinions aren't valuable simply because they're subjective. At some point they need to be backed up with decent reasoning. It's the difference between a well considered statement and a loud fart.
And before anyone brings it up, unnuanced positive opinions are not just as bad. Appreciation > scorn. Pretending that things are worthless for no good reason is just plain vulgar.
Yeah. I'm glad the "b-b-but digital" posts have been put to bed now it seems. The start of this thread was a nightmare of denial thanks to those posts.
Even with the variables you've correctly outlined that likely hit Halo 5, it's still very surprising to see the game sell to such low numbers in XB1's second territory.
US NPD thread should give us a better indicator as to whether this is a downward trend but I suspect it'll open out the gate to great numbers but may not push as many systems.
Roberto Larcos
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Poor first week. I expect it'll have decent legs though.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Well that's a disappointing debut, but not unexpected after how MCC fared. I expect that game must have scared off quite a few people from buying at launch.